Re: WTMP Question

2015-12-20 Thread Duncan Patton a Campbell
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On Sun, 20 Dec 2015 12:37:30 -0800 Philip Guenther wrote: > On Sat, Dec 19, 2015 at 3:31 PM, Duncan Patton a Campbell > wrote: > > I've a question about last/utmp/wtmp that someone here should be > > able to answer. > > > > At the shell I do > > >

Re: BIOS call fallback

2015-12-20 Thread Theo de Raadt
> Given that most OS mailing lists/forums seem to be dominated with hardware > problems my basic question is does OpenBSD have a fallback option to just use > BIOS routines to get hardware working if even slower than feasible but at > least working? No. > And if not why not? Because the kernel c

Re: text-mode gui

2015-12-20 Thread Dmitrij D. Czarkoff
Luke Small said: > There are other features that inexperienced users could benefit from, like > selecting a mirror for PKG_PATH and putting it into .profile . I think that > it would be convenient to be able have a new user not to have to wade > through man pages to learn about "echo " PKG_PATH..."

Re: text-mode gui

2015-12-20 Thread Jacob L. Leifman
On 20 Dec 2015 at 17:25, Luke Small wrote: 8<-- lots of drivel snipped --->8 >... but a >normal user shouldn't have to wade through man pages to discover how to fix >... This is the crux of the issue -- linux upbringing! If you bothered to read the FAQ or scan through some me

BIOS call fallback

2015-12-20 Thread Read, James C
Hi, forgive my ignorance and lack of knowledge on OS fundamentals. As my signature suggests I am a complete beginner with 0x00 knowledge of the subject. Regardless of that fact here comes my rather naive question: Given that most OS mailing lists/forums seem to be dominated with hardware proble

Re: text-mode gui

2015-12-20 Thread Dmitrij D. Czarkoff
Luke Small said: > I don't know the best way, but I like how there are "check-boxes", from > what I recall, in lynx webpages. OpenBSD installer solves the checkbox problem by asking questions with default answer printed in square brackets. > If there are other things, then it may become a little

Re: text-mode gui

2015-12-20 Thread lists
On Sun, 20 Dec 2015 14:03:18 -0600 Luke Small wrote: > I don't know the best way, but I like how there are "check-boxes", from > what I recall, in lynx webpages. And? Bookmarks or... direct private cumulus clouds of edible sugar, preferably in cyanide algae nuances with self attaching axons. >

Re: text-mode gui

2015-12-20 Thread Luke Small
I can do that. All I have to do is read in the file to a buffer until it gets to a section separated by a space and includes commas and writing a new buffer with ",softdep added to it. Easy Peasy! -Luke On Sun, Dec 20, 2015 at 5:48 PM, Mike Burns wrote: > On 2015-12-20 17.25.14 -0600, Luke Smal

Re: text-mode gui

2015-12-20 Thread Mike Burns
On 2015-12-20 17.25.14 -0600, Luke Small wrote: >It would be very easy to write a C >program to parse and edit fstab to make all the partitions softdep. Can we see your patch?

Re: text-mode gui

2015-12-20 Thread Luke Small
1. Maybe it doesn't have to be done in JavaScript; even partially, like part of the installer is running fdisk. It would be very easy to write a C program to parse and edit fstab to make all the partitions softdep. I wouldn't know how to automate a disklabel call in the way that http

Re: HUAWEI dongle

2015-12-20 Thread Christoph R. Murauer
>>Please send dmesg and the output of: > >>usbdevs -dv > >>Both while the Huawei dongle is plugged into your machine, of >> course... > > > Would love to be able to do that. Anybody had any success mounting an > OpenBSD > file system in linux? > > > 0x00 > > Use a USB stick, create a new FAT32 fil

Re: text-mode gui

2015-12-20 Thread Kamil Cholewiński
> Usability means then it should be not only humans but also programs > who are able to interact with the installer. So, since stream editors > know nothing about this seasons' (or Luddite's) line drawing symbols, > and users barely see the information between these on another terminal > capabilit

Re: HUAWEI dongle

2015-12-20 Thread Read, James C
>Please send dmesg and the output of: >usbdevs -dv >Both while the Huawei dongle is plugged into your machine, of course... Would love to be able to do that. Anybody had any success mounting an OpenBSD file system in linux? 0x00

Re: text-mode gui

2015-12-20 Thread Christoph R. Murauer
> I don't know the best way, but I like how there are "check-boxes", > from what I recall, in lynx webpages. Means in short, you like lynx. There was a long discussion at misc@ why lynx was removed from the base system. See http://marc.info/?l=openbsd-misc&r=1&w=2 to search for it. > Maybe full

/pub/OpenBSD/5.{7|8}/tools/ntrw.* not present as documented

2015-12-20 Thread ropers
Both http://www.openbsd.org/ftp.html#layout and http://www.openbsd.org/faq/faq4.html#MkFlop announce the presence of /pub/OpenBSD/5.8/tools on the mirrors (and the presence of ntrw therein), yet on at least: * http://mirror.internode.on.net/pub/OpenBSD/5.8/ * http://artfiles.org/openbsd/5.8/ * http

Re: text-mode gui

2015-12-20 Thread frcc
On Sun, Dec 20, 2015 at 04:29:37PM +0200, li...@wrant.com wrote: > On Sun, 20 Dec 2015 10:51:20 + Tati Chevron > wrote: > > > On Sat, Dec 19, 2015 at 05:34:59PM -0600, Luke Small > > wrote: > > > > > >If installer GUIs are bad, maybe features like full-disk encryption > > >could be accomplis

Re: text-mode gui

2015-12-20 Thread lists
On Sun, 20 Dec 2015 14:58:27 + Tati Chevron wrote: > On Sun, Dec 20, 2015 at 04:29:37PM +0200, li...@wrant.com wrote: > >On Sun, 20 Dec 2015 10:51:20 + Tati Chevron > >wrote: > > > >> On Sat, Dec 19, 2015 at 05:34:59PM -0600, Luke Small > >> wrote: > >> > > >> >If installer GUIs are

Re: WTMP Question

2015-12-20 Thread Philip Guenther
On Sat, Dec 19, 2015 at 3:31 PM, Duncan Patton a Campbell wrote: > I've a question about last/utmp/wtmp that someone here should be able to > answer. > > At the shell I do > > # date > Sat Dec 19 16:29:07 MST 2015 > # last > > wtmp begins Sat Dec 19 16:29 2015 > > This appears to set the beginnin

Re: dotted lines flashing on the virtual terminal

2015-12-20 Thread lists
On Sat, 19 Dec 2015 18:04:08 + "Read, James C" wrote: > Never seen this one before. Just done a clean base install of 5.8 > Got white lines of "dashes" flashing across my screen at urandom places. > Is this some kind of buffering problem? Probably video memory corruption or some similar pro

Re: Can't build kernel GENERIC.MP on Dell Inspiron E1045

2015-12-20 Thread lists
> Is there any benefit to install -current on this antique? Yes.

Re: text-mode gui

2015-12-20 Thread lists
On Sun, 20 Dec 2015 10:51:20 + Tati Chevron wrote: > On Sat, Dec 19, 2015 at 05:34:59PM -0600, Luke Small > wrote: > > > >If installer GUIs are bad, maybe features like full-disk encryption > >could be accomplished via lynx-like text -based HTML and/or > >JavaScript that could write to cooki

Re: text-mode gui

2015-12-20 Thread Luke Small
I don't know the best way, but I like how there are "check-boxes", from what I recall, in lynx webpages. Maybe full-disk encryption and maybe home folder encryption if it is available are the only remaining installer options that you don't have to have prior specialized knowledge to perform, that y

Re: FAQ 3.3 - suggested copyright clarification diff

2015-12-20 Thread Tati Chevron
On Sun, Dec 20, 2015 at 06:24:26PM +0100, ropers wrote: Rationale: It is a still surprisingly common misunderstanding that permissively licensed software wasn't copyrighted. Regardless of license choice (BSD, MIT, ISC, GPL, MS-EULA, etc.), software that is not in the public domain remains protect

Re: Can't build kernel GENERIC.MP on Dell Inspiron E1045

2015-12-20 Thread Jack J. Woehr
li...@wrant.com wrote: Is there any benefit to install -current on this antique? Yes. I did so and sent report to dmesg@ -- Jack J. Woehr # Science is more than a body of knowledge. It's a way of www.well.com/~jax # thinking, a way of skeptically interrogating the universe www.softwoehr.c

FAQ 3.3 - suggested copyright clarification diff

2015-12-20 Thread ropers
For http://www.openbsd.org/faq/faq3.html : --- faq3.html.orig2015-12-20 17:13:16.688175000 +0100 +++ faq3.html2015-12-20 17:16:37.529726012 +0100 @@ -103,7 +103,7 @@ official OpenBSD CDs. As an incentive for people to buy the CD set, some extras are included in the package as well (artw

Re: text-mode gui

2015-12-20 Thread Tati Chevron
On Sun, Dec 20, 2015 at 04:29:37PM +0200, li...@wrant.com wrote: On Sun, 20 Dec 2015 10:51:20 + Tati Chevron wrote: On Sat, Dec 19, 2015 at 05:34:59PM -0600, Luke Small wrote: > >If installer GUIs are bad, maybe features like full-disk encryption >could be accomplished via lynx-like text

Re: Huawei Mobile E353 and umsm

2015-12-20 Thread Tati Chevron
On Sun, Dec 20, 2015 at 01:13:10PM +, Stuart Henderson wrote: On 2015-12-19, Read, James C wrote: Hi, my device Huawei Mobile E353 is listed as known to be supported in the umsm man 4 page http://www.openbsd.org/cgi-bin/man.cgi/OpenBSD-current/man4/umsm.4?query=umsm &sec=4 Does anybody

Re: Huawei Mobile E353 and umsm

2015-12-20 Thread Stuart Henderson
On 2015-12-19, Read, James C wrote: > Hi, > > > my device Huawei Mobile E353 is listed as known to be supported in the umsm > man 4 page > http://www.openbsd.org/cgi-bin/man.cgi/OpenBSD-current/man4/umsm.4?query=umsm > &sec=4 > > > Does anybody know what the steps are to get a umsm supported devic

Re: Bandwidth packet on interface from OpenSBD

2015-12-20 Thread Zé Loff
On Sun, Dec 20, 2015 at 01:31:24PM +0800, Siu Man wrote: > Hi > > I have more question for cat network interface packet numbers for monitor > > Example easy to do on linux cat /proc/net/dev > > root@ubuntu:/var/www/html# cat /proc/net/dev > Inter-| Receive

Re: Bandwidth packet on interface from OpenSBD

2015-12-20 Thread Tati Chevron
On Sun, Dec 20, 2015 at 01:31:24PM +0800, Siu Man wrote: I have more question for cat network interface packet numbers for monitor Example easy to do on linux cat /proc/net/dev how to do OpenBSD ? Maybe you want to look at, for example: # netstat -I eth0 # netstat -W eth0 (for wireless

Bandwidth packet on interface from OpenSBD

2015-12-20 Thread Siu Man
Hi I have more question for cat network interface packet numbers for monitor Example easy to do on linux cat /proc/net/dev root@ubuntu:/var/www/html# cat /proc/net/dev Inter-| Receive| Transmit face |bytespackets errs drop fifo frame compre

Re: text-mode gui

2015-12-20 Thread Tati Chevron
On Sat, Dec 19, 2015 at 05:34:59PM -0600, Luke Small wrote: If installer GUIs are bad, maybe features like full-disk encryption could be accomplished via lynx-like text -based HTML and/or JavaScript that could write to cookies that the installer could parse into commands? There are much better

Re: HUAWEI dongle

2015-12-20 Thread Tati Chevron
On Sat, Dec 19, 2015 at 10:30:12PM +, Read, James C wrote: You've said that it connects as ugen, and also as umsm. Often the older dongles provided >several serial interfaces, only one of which actually worked. Again, nobody will be able to help >you without the log messages. my dmesg giv