Re: Donations (was, sadly, European orders)

2009-04-02 Thread Lars Noodén
Theo de Raadt wrote: > When you buy a CD from the Computer shop, 100% ends up in the Computer > Shop accounts. Which is an option likely to make most everyone all around happy, but maybe not so practical for outside of North America. Setting up a branch inside the Euro zone might be worth conside

Re: Donations (was, sadly, European orders)

2009-04-02 Thread Theo de Raadt
> On Thu, Apr 2, 2009 at 12:57 PM, Theo de Raadt > wrote: > > I don't know how big people think the donations are, but sure, it is > > substantial. Yet it is not as much as these amounts above. The > > remaining is paid out of my salary, and yes, my salary is CD sales > > dependent. And yes, ev

Re: Donations (was, sadly, European orders)

2009-04-02 Thread Neal Hogan
On Thu, Apr 2, 2009 at 9:21 PM, bofh wrote: > On Thu, Apr 2, 2009 at 12:57 PM, Theo de Raadt > wrote: > > I don't know how big people think the donations are, but sure, it is > > substantial. Yet it is not as much as these amounts above. The > > remaining is paid out of my salary, and yes, my

Re: Donations (was, sadly, European orders)

2009-04-02 Thread bofh
On Thu, Apr 2, 2009 at 12:57 PM, Theo de Raadt wrote: > I don't know how big people think the donations are, but sure, it is > substantial. Yet it is not as much as these amounts above. The > remaining is paid out of my salary, and yes, my salary is CD sales > dependent. And yes, everyone inclu

Re: where to order now ?

2009-04-02 Thread Mark Mathias
>> Is there another way to buy those cool wireframe-puffy stickers, than from >> kd85? >> I need something to cover my 'new' laptop. :-( > > This is something I am curious about as well, new laptops look bare without Puffy on the lid -- Mark Mathias

Re: dvd-rw as user?

2009-04-02 Thread OpenBSD
El miC), 01-04-2009 a las 06:18 -0500, Josh Grosse escribiC3: > On Tue, 31 Mar 2009 21:52:04 -0700, OpenBSD wrote > > > i do not have any problem mounting the dvd, as root or at user desktop; > > the problem is when i do $ qemu -hda slackware.img -cdrom /dev/cd0a > > -boot d -m 128, at this time t

Anyone using munin?

2009-04-02 Thread Marc Runkel
Trying to set up munin work with OpenBSD and was wondering if anyone had some plugins pre-written? In particular interface statistics but I'll take just about anything. Thanks, Marc

Re: Donations (was, sadly, European orders)

2009-04-02 Thread Greg Thomas
"Work hard, play harder. Oh what, just because you are you, you dont get to have a life? Fuck that. No need to justify anything in that regard." +1, as others have done already. I regret not having been able to donate the last 18 months or so, maybe longer. But it's only because of my personal f

Re: where to order now ?

2009-04-02 Thread openbsd misc
On Thu, Apr 2, 2009 at 11:48 PM, Theo de Raadt wrote: >> I see OpenBSDEurope appear to advertise the CDs for about 30 euro a >> pop: http://www.openbsdeurope.com/45.htm >> >> Other sellers offer the CDs for the usual 50 euro. >> Does the lower price @ openbsdeurope mean they have smaller margins o

Re: Webserver frozen - OpenBSD 4.4

2009-04-02 Thread Jean-Gérard Pailloncy
Hi, I had a webserver with mod_perl and mysql on OpenBSD 4.4 Under heavy load or long running load, the box randomly freezes. The problem was a bug in the uvm. The fix is a uvm patch from Ariane in 01/2009. Hope that will help you. JG

Re: Where did the donation money go, Wim?

2009-04-02 Thread Pedro la Peu
> (Linux Expo Live, held in london last october) Fun times... though that was a dead, unattended event. At other events there were eager punters who wanted OpenSSH/OpenBSD t-shirts, posters, cds, lanyards, soft toys, etc. Lots of 'em. There was no indication the proceeds were going anywhere oth

Re: Wim

2009-04-02 Thread Hannah Schroeter
Hi! On Thu, Apr 02, 2009 at 06:48:48PM -0400, Ted Unangst wrote: >On Thu, Apr 2, 2009 at 6:31 PM, Hannah Schroeter wrote: >> On Thu, Apr 02, 2009 at 10:15:13PM +0200, Matthias Kilian wrote: >>>Wim *does* filter traffic from cvs.openbsd.org. At least on ports >>>25 and 80: >> Port 80 works from a

Re: where to order now ?

2009-04-02 Thread Martin Schröder
2009/4/3, ropers : > Other sellers offer the CDs for the usual 50 euro. > Does the lower price @ openbsdeurope mean they have smaller margins or > OpenBSD.org gets less money, or both? 30 is 60% of 50. :-) I seriously doubt that other european resellers donate the 20 profit they make. Best

Re: Wim

2009-04-02 Thread Ted Unangst
On Thu, Apr 2, 2009 at 6:31 PM, Hannah Schroeter wrote: > On Thu, Apr 02, 2009 at 10:15:13PM +0200, Matthias Kilian wrote: >>Wim *does* filter traffic from cvs.openbsd.org. At least on ports >>25 and 80: > Port 80 works from a private dialup as well as a private rented server. The problem is a m

Re: where to order now ?

2009-04-02 Thread ropers
I see OpenBSDEurope appear to advertise the CDs for about 30 euro a pop: http://www.openbsdeurope.com/45.htm Other sellers offer the CDs for the usual 50 euro. Does the lower price @ openbsdeurope mean they have smaller margins or OpenBSD.org gets less money, or both? Thanks and regards, --ropers

Re: Wim

2009-04-02 Thread ropers
2009/4/2 Matthias Kilian : > > Wim *does* filter traffic from cvs.openbsd.org. At least on ports > 25 and 80: > > $ telnet www.kd85.com 25 > Trying 62.116.6.182... > > [nothing] By way of comparison -- this is from an Ubuntu PC NOT at cvs.openbsd.org: $ netstat -ie | grep inet\ addr in

Re: where to order now ?

2009-04-02 Thread Marius
Sorry, I actually wanted to mail to misc@ Marius wrote: Theo de Raadt wrote: i) print other things they were not granted the rights to do and then keep the profits Is there another way to buy those cool wireframe-puffy stickers, than from kd85? I need something to cover my 'new'

Re: Wim

2009-04-02 Thread Hannah Schroeter
Hi! On Thu, Apr 02, 2009 at 10:15:13PM +0200, Matthias Kilian wrote: >Wim *does* filter traffic from cvs.openbsd.org. At least on ports >25 and 80: >$ telnet www.kd85.com 25 >Trying 62.116.6.182... >[nothing] >$ telnet www.kd85.com 80 >Trying 62.116.6.182... >[nothing] Port 80 works from a

Re: Donations (was, sadly, European orders)

2009-04-02 Thread Bob Beck
> Others are trying to do it too, but they are just more quiet about it. > > And then there's the other catagory... the breeders... > No, you're forgetting the third category - the titanium clipped, whose ungrateful spawn are now 18 and will soon be old enough to be capable of leaving th

Re: Using 2 internet connections on OpenBSD Gateway

2009-04-02 Thread (private) HKS
On Thu, Apr 2, 2009 at 4:52 AM, LeiV wrote: > Hi, > I have a openbsd firewall/gateway and behind a webserver, users arrive to my webserver via 1 domain name, I have a cable connection 12Mbps down/500Kbps upthe down speed is OK I dont have so many incoming requests ...but the up speed is satura

Re: FW: raidctl -vF component0 raid0

2009-04-02 Thread Alexis de BRUYN
>From raidctl(8) : "-A root dev [snip] All components of the set must be of type RAID in the disklabel. [Snip] the RAID set must have its `a' partition (aka raid[0..n]a) set up. " >> raidctl -A root raid0 >> >> At this point, everything seams as expected >> >> Create radi0's partitions: >> Disklab

Re: Wim

2009-04-02 Thread Gonzalo Lionel Rodriguez
Come on!! 2009/4/2 Matthias Kilian : > On Thu, Apr 02, 2009 at 09:59:38PM +0200, Toni Mueller wrote: >> > This guy some of you think is so honest. He's filtering port 25 >> > from cvs.openbsd.org. >> >> did you try sending from a different server thereafter? > > Wim *does* filter traffic from cvs

Re: Wim

2009-04-02 Thread Matthias Kilian
On Thu, Apr 02, 2009 at 09:59:38PM +0200, Toni Mueller wrote: > > This guy some of you think is so honest. He's filtering port 25 > > from cvs.openbsd.org. > > did you try sending from a different server thereafter? Wim *does* filter traffic from cvs.openbsd.org. At least on ports 25 and 80: $

Re: Wim

2009-04-02 Thread Theo de Raadt
> On Thu, 02.04.2009 at 00:17:35 -0600, Theo de Raadt > wrote: > > This guy some of you think is so honest. He's filtering port 25 > > from cvs.openbsd.org. > > did you try sending from a different server thereafter? > > > > I've seen a failure mode where a machine appears to be up, but slow

Re: Wim

2009-04-02 Thread Toni Mueller
Hi, On Thu, 02.04.2009 at 00:17:35 -0600, Theo de Raadt wrote: > This guy some of you think is so honest. He's filtering port 25 > from cvs.openbsd.org. did you try sending from a different server thereafter? I've seen a failure mode where a machine appears to be up, but slowly stops accept

Re: keeping the system updated

2009-04-02 Thread Alun Eyre
Hi, Thanks for info and link. Kind regards, Al. On 1 Apr 2009, at 19:24, J.C. Roberts wrote: On Wed, 1 Apr 2009 16:40:54 +0100 Alun Eyre wrote: Hi, I have pre-ordered 4.5 on CD, and have been reading the FAQ's, man pages, mailing list archives, etc for some background on how to keep

Re: Where did the donation money go, Wim?

2009-04-02 Thread Owain Ainsworth
On Thu, Apr 02, 2009 at 03:13:03PM +, Christian Weisgerber wrote: > Theo de Raadt wrote: > > > I have been in commuinication with a few people who have told me > > stories that Wim received donations, obviously meant for the OpenBSD > > project, collected at European conference tables -- and t

Re: Donations (was, sadly, European orders)

2009-04-02 Thread Marti Martinez
Does anybody here remember the sound and fury quite a few years back when Theo (or someone) posted a picture of his new bike shortly after a release -- I can't seem to find it in the archives. Anyhow, it's not all that important. The point is that suckers like me -- I've made a couple of paltry don

Re: where to order now ?

2009-04-02 Thread Theo de Raadt
>Liam J. Foy wrote: > >> Yes, we are pleased to be a new reseller based in the UK (we serve >> Europe too of course! - the 'we' bit is a close friend who is involved >> in distribution in the UK (which is what we're also setting up)). >> >> We are not associated with the OpenBSD project, but Theo h

Re: where to order now ?

2009-04-02 Thread Theo de Raadt
>> You should be able to find a suitable order site at >> http://www.openbsd.org/orders.html >> >> >Being in the UK I think I have two options on there. One is always >lagging behind (their website currently lists 4.3!) and the other is >OpenBSDEurope - is this a new seller covering Europe now

Re: where to order now ?

2009-04-02 Thread dtalk
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Liam J. Foy wrote: Yes, we are pleased to be a new reseller based in the UK (we serve Europe too of course! - the 'we' bit is a close friend who is involved in distribution in the UK (which is what we're also setting up)). We are not associated wit

Re: Using 2 internet connections on OpenBSD Gateway

2009-04-02 Thread Stuart Henderson
On 2009-04-02, Matthew Dempsky wrote: > On Thu, Apr 2, 2009 at 5:05 AM, Stefan Sperling wrote: >> man 8 route >> /mpath > > I was under the impression that to use multipath routing, you need to > also use BGP (which probably isn't a possibility for the OP since he > said he's using a cable modem)

Re: where to order now ?

2009-04-02 Thread Liam J. Foy
Jon Tibble wrote: > Thomas Pfaff wrote: >> On Thu, 02 Apr 2009 18:20:49 +0200 >> secucatc...@free.fr wrote: >>> i buy cd since 2.8 on kd85 shop (all the one) without probleme >>> but i'm not confident anymore. >>> and i order a 2.7 a fews months >>> for this >>> http://undeadly.org/cgi?action=arti

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Re: Donations (was, sadly, European orders)

2009-04-02 Thread Thomas Pfaff
On Thu, 2 Apr 2009 10:16:31 -0700 "J.C. Roberts" wrote: > On Wed, 01 Apr 2009 22:11:07 -0600 Theo de Raadt > wrote: > > > I work hard. > > I know you do! -- I look at your work every day. I use said work every day. The results I see and the work being put into this project is more than enough

Re: Using 2 internet connections on OpenBSD Gateway

2009-04-02 Thread Steven Surdock
You sort of can on the outbond side by using the route-to option and using multiple matching interface/gateways. Route-to { if1 gw1, if1 gw1, if2 gw2 } round-robin... This would prefer if1 over if2 for 2/3 the traffic. Sorry if the syntax isn't quite right as I sent this from my phone. Als

Re: where to order now ?

2009-04-02 Thread Jon Tibble
Thomas Pfaff wrote: On Thu, 02 Apr 2009 18:20:49 +0200 secucatc...@free.fr wrote: i buy cd since 2.8 on kd85 shop (all the one) without probleme but i'm not confident anymore. and i order a 2.7 a fews months for this http://undeadly.org/cgi?action=article&sid=20081220001856 but never received i

Re: shell history and page-up

2009-04-02 Thread Alexander Hall
Chris wrote: > I am trying to get the shell history with page-up but looks like it's > not working. I'm running -current with the default ksh and added > HISTSIZE=50 and export HISTSIZE to ~/.profile. > > Does anyone know how to get it? > > Thanks. $ grep HIST .profile HISTFILE=$HOME/.history H

Re: Using 2 internet connections on OpenBSD Gateway

2009-04-02 Thread Fernando Alvarez
I'm afraid I can't figure out how to achieve this :-\ With ALTQ, one can assign priorities to outbound packets using pass or rdr rules, but I think that's not a solution when it's needed to route packets to one of the two gateways (using the same external interface or not). Packet priorization wor

Re: Donations (was, sadly, European orders)

2009-04-02 Thread J.C. Roberts
On Wed, 01 Apr 2009 22:11:07 -0600 Theo de Raadt wrote: > I work hard. I know you do! -- I look at your work every day. As promised, I won't comment publicly on the situation but I hope you won't be offended if a no-code nobody like me gives you a reminder; You have absolutely no reason to let

Re: Using 2 internet connections on OpenBSD Gateway

2009-04-02 Thread Stuart Henderson
On 2009-04-02, LeiV wrote: > I would like to add another internet connection to my openbsd box > so I can increase my upstream bandwitch...it is possible? all my > incoming requests will come with the same internet connection as I > only have 1 domain namecan I send back the requested pages wi

Re: Using 2 internet connections on OpenBSD Gateway

2009-04-02 Thread Matthew Dempsky
On Thu, Apr 2, 2009 at 5:05 AM, Stefan Sperling wrote: > man 8 route > /mpath I was under the impression that to use multipath routing, you need to also use BGP (which probably isn't a possibility for the OP since he said he's using a cable modem). Am I mistaken?

Re: Donations (was, sadly, European orders)

2009-04-02 Thread Theo de Raadt
> Having some sort of Report once a year about Donation Money or even also the > CD and Shirt Sales money and where it goes would help to shut up even the > most ignorant. Reports possibly ala' FreeBSD Foundation; but if not, not; i > personally have no doubt that you are the last Guy how would enr

Re: Using 2 internet connections on OpenBSD Gateway

2009-04-02 Thread Kamil Monticolo
On Thu, 02 Apr 2009 18:15:22 +0200 Fernando Alvarez wrote: > > I'm afraid I can't figure out how to achieve this :-\ > > With ALTQ, one can assign priorities to outbound packets using pass or > rdr rules, but I think that's not a solution when it's needed to route > packets to one of the two ga

Re: where to order now ?

2009-04-02 Thread Thomas Pfaff
On Thu, 02 Apr 2009 18:20:49 +0200 secucatc...@free.fr wrote: > i buy cd since 2.8 on kd85 shop (all the one) without probleme > but i'm not confident anymore. > and i order a 2.7 a fews months > for this > http://undeadly.org/cgi?action=article&sid=20081220001856 > but never received it. > where

where to order now ?

2009-04-02 Thread secucatcher
i buy cd since 2.8 on kd85 shop (all the one) without probleme but i'm not confident anymore. and i order a 2.7 a fews months for this http://undeadly.org/cgi?action=article&sid=20081220001856 but never received it. where i can order the new one and hope to receive it ? sad story for openbsd all t

Re: Ruby 1.9

2009-04-02 Thread Stuart Henderson
On 2009-04-02, Aapo Lehtinen wrote: > Hi > > Has anyone successfully compiled ruby 1.9 (stable snapshot or 1.9.1-p0) > on OpenBSD? Compiling fails with: It's almost always easier to update the port than it is to build from scratch, and you don't end up with so much mess in random places on your

Re: FW: raidctl -vF component0 raid0

2009-04-02 Thread Chris Harries
Good call, did that, Still same problem, hangs at same place. All seams correct now: # disklabel -E raid0 Initial label editor (enter '?' for help at any prompt) > p OpenBSD area: 0-1952459648; size: 1952459648; free: 719334272 #size offset fstype [fsize bsize cpg] a

Re: Where did the donation money go, Wim?

2009-04-02 Thread Christian Weisgerber
Theo de Raadt wrote: > I have been in commuinication with a few people who have told me > stories that Wim received donations, obviously meant for the OpenBSD > project, collected at European conference tables -- and that this > money has not made it to the OpenBSD project. At all the European c

Re: raidctl -vF component0 raid0

2009-04-02 Thread Alexis de BRUYN
>> raidctl -a /dev/wd0b raid0 Same previous swap between 'b' and 'd' partitions. If it is not a copy/paste issue while writing your email, try: raidctl -a /dev/wd0d raid0 or raidctl -a /dev/sd0d raid0 Chris Harries a C)crit : > Ah, my appolgiest, stress is kicking in. They should all be sd's,

Re: FW: raidctl -vF component0 raid0

2009-04-02 Thread Alexis de BRUYN
> Create radi0's partitions: > Disklabel -E raid0 > > A: 5G / 4.2BSD > B: 2048M swap > D: 50G /var/mysql 4.2bsd > E: 500G /var/vmail 4.2bsd > F: 10G /var 4.2bsd > G: 1G /tmp4.2bsd > H: 10G /usr 4.2bsd > I: 10G /home 4.2bsd FS Type must be "RAID" instead of "4.2BSD". Chris Harries a icrit

Re: Using 2 internet connections on OpenBSD Gateway

2009-04-02 Thread Stefan Sperling
On Thu, Apr 02, 2009 at 02:26:42PM +0200, Fernando Alvarez wrote: > And... What if both connections doesn't have the same upstream > bandwidth? Would it be possible to load-balance both Internet > connections considering the upload/donwload capacity of each one, and > not using a round-robin load b

FW: raidctl -vF component0 raid0

2009-04-02 Thread Chris Harries
All typoes checked. Now correct...finally, Apologies Chris -Original Message- From: Chris Harries [mailto:ch...@sharescope.co.uk] Sent: 02 April 2009 14:07 To: 'Alexis de BRUYN' Subject: RE: raidctl -vF component0 raid0 Afternoon, Well on an i386 system with 2 x 1 TB Seagate hard drive

Re: shell history and page-up

2009-04-02 Thread Christian Weisgerber
Chris wrote: > I am trying to get the shell history with page-up but looks like it's > not working. Do you really mean page-up, not cursor-up? -- Christian "naddy" Weisgerber na...@mips.inka.de

Re: Using 2 internet connections on OpenBSD Gateway

2009-04-02 Thread Kamil Monticolo
On Thu, 02 Apr 2009 14:36:30 +0200 Fernando Alvarez wrote: > And... What if both connections doesn't have the same upstream > bandwidth? Would it be possible to load-balance both Internet > connections considering the upload/donwload capacity of each one, and > not using a round-robin load balanc

Re: raidctl -vF component0 raid0

2009-04-02 Thread Alexis de BRUYN
Hello Chris, Before setting up your mirror, I recommanded you to read "RAID options for OpenBSD" from the OpenBSD FAQ (http://www.openbsd.org/faq/faq14.html#RAID) and then the following manuals (which I did when I teached myself making a RAIDFRAME mirror on 4.2) : * raid(4), * raidctl(8),

Re: Using 2 internet connections on OpenBSD Gateway

2009-04-02 Thread Fernando Alvarez
And... What if both connections doesn't have the same upstream bandwidth? Would it be possible to load-balance both Internet connections considering the upload/donwload capacity of each one, and not using a round-robin load balancing, which assigns a nearly to 50/50 load? Fernando El jue, 02-04-2

Re: raidctl -vF component0 raid0

2009-04-02 Thread Alexis de BRUYN
> Install 4.4 i386 on to sd0 [...] > fdisk -i sd1 [...] > newfs sd1a ... Your 2 x 1 TB Seagate hard drives seem to be sd0 and sd1. But in your configuration, you refer several times to other devices: > disklabel -E wd1 [...] > /usr/mdec/installboot -v /mnt/boot /usr/mdec/biosboot wd1 [...] > dis

Re: Ruby 1.9

2009-04-02 Thread Stephane LAPIE
Aapo Lehtinen wrote: > Hi > > Has anyone successfully compiled ruby 1.9 (stable snapshot or 1.9.1-p0) > on OpenBSD? Compiling fails with: > > $ make > compiling Win32API > compiling bigdecimal > compiling curses > compiling dbm > gcc -shared -fPIC -o ../../.ext/x86_64-openbsd4.5/dbm.so dbm.o -L. >

Re: Donations (was, sadly, European orders)

2009-04-02 Thread Marco Peereboom
> Others are trying to do it too, but they are just more quiet about it. > > And then there's the other catagory... the breeders... I swear it was by accident!!

Re: Donations (was, sadly, European orders)

2009-04-02 Thread Jordi Espasa Clofent
The product (OpenBSD) speeks for itself. +1 -- Thanks, Jordi Espasa Clofent

Ruby 1.9

2009-04-02 Thread Aapo Lehtinen
Hi Has anyone successfully compiled ruby 1.9 (stable snapshot or 1.9.1-p0) on OpenBSD? Compiling fails with: $ make compiling Win32API compiling bigdecimal compiling curses compiling dbm gcc -shared -fPIC -o ../../.ext/x86_64-openbsd4.5/dbm.so dbm.o -L. -L../.. -L. -Wl,-E-ldb -lm -lc

Re: Using 2 internet connections on OpenBSD Gateway

2009-04-02 Thread Stefan Sperling
On Thu, Apr 02, 2009 at 01:05:53PM +0100, Stefan Sperling wrote: > On Thu, Apr 02, 2009 at 01:52:20AM -0700, LeiV wrote: > > Hi, > > I have a openbsd firewall/gateway and behind a webserver, users arrive to > > my webserver via 1 domain name, I have a cable connection 12Mbps > > down/500Kbps up..

Re: Using 2 internet connections on OpenBSD Gateway

2009-04-02 Thread Stefan Sperling
On Thu, Apr 02, 2009 at 01:52:20AM -0700, LeiV wrote: > Hi, > I have a openbsd firewall/gateway and behind a webserver, users arrive to my > webserver via 1 domain name, I have a cable connection 12Mbps down/500Kbps > upthe down speed is OK I dont have so many incoming requests ...but the >

Using 2 internet connections on OpenBSD Gateway

2009-04-02 Thread LeiV
Hi, I have a openbsd firewall/gateway and behind a webserver, users arrive to my webserver via 1 domain name, I have a cable connection 12Mbps down/500Kbps upthe down speed is OK I dont have so many incoming requests ...but the up speed is saturated easily with those requests as my pages hav

Re: raidctl -vF component0 raid0

2009-04-02 Thread Chris Harries
Mr Roberts, I just wanted to verify something which you stated in this e-mail If you *only* want to do RAID 1 (mirroring), and you are not booting to the volume, you might be better off looking at `man softraid` I am looking at softraid, and can make a mirroed raid of 2 HDD's with a 3rd holding

Re: the fdisk man page and the fdisk behaviour

2009-04-02 Thread Nick Holland
J.C. Roberts wrote: ... > On a the lower and fundamental levels, solid state storage does not have > the limitations or organization of rotating storage (disks), but none > the less, in current products the new tech has been (intentionally) > impaired and implemented with the old ideas to provide a

Re: Wim

2009-04-02 Thread Humberto Pérez Romero
2009/4/2 Theo de Raadt : > This guy some of you think is so honest. He's filtering port 25 > from cvs.openbsd.org. > > For what reason would he do that? > > Today was the first time I tried to mail him, cc'd to misc@openbsd.org, > in a couple of months. > > So what's that all about? He's so hones

Re: Donations (was, sadly, European orders)

2009-04-02 Thread William Chivers
+ 1 here Not only the product speaks for itself, but the fact that you develop it so openly and allow free downloads. Thanks Alf, that is what I tried to say in my long-winded message a couple of days ago. - William J. Chivers Lecturer in Informatio

Re: Donations (was, sadly, European orders)

2009-04-02 Thread ttw+bsd
On 02.04-09:49, Alf Schlichting wrote: [ ... ] > as far as i am concerned (and most likely the majority of OpenBSD > users) there is no need for you to justify yourself (or any other > developer) in public. > The product (OpenBSD) speeks for itself. +1

Re: dvd-rw as user?

2009-04-02 Thread Nick Guenther
On Thu, Apr 2, 2009 at 3:06 AM, J.C. Roberts wrote: > On Wed, 1 Apr 2009 21:24:16 -0400 Nick Guenther > wrote: > >> On Wed, Apr 1, 2009 at 10:48 AM, J.C. Roberts >> wrote: >> > On Wed, 1 Apr 2009 04:46:10 + Jacob Meuser >> > wrote: >> > >> >> On Tue, Mar 31, 2009 at 07:13:33PM -0700, OpenBS

Re: Donations (was, sadly, European orders)

2009-04-02 Thread Alf Schlichting
Theo, as far as i am concerned (and most likely the majority of OpenBSD users) there is no need for you to justify yourself (or any other developer) in public. The product (OpenBSD) speeks for itself. Alf P.S.: To me the sentence about hiking on Wim's page looks like a silly rethoric trick that

Re: dvd-rw as user?

2009-04-02 Thread J.C. Roberts
On Wed, 1 Apr 2009 21:24:16 -0400 Nick Guenther wrote: > On Wed, Apr 1, 2009 at 10:48 AM, J.C. Roberts > wrote: > > On Wed, 1 Apr 2009 04:46:10 + Jacob Meuser > > wrote: > > > >> On Tue, Mar 31, 2009 at 07:13:33PM -0700, OpenBSD wrote: > >> > Hello > >> > > >> > Could somebody please tell m