Re: digitally signed distribution (was: OBSD's perspective on SELinux)

2007-09-24 Thread Darren Spruell
> > > Sure it does, just pull from CVS over SSH and compile your own. Only > > > > Where do I get the ssh fingerprints of the CVS servers? http://www.openbsd.org/anoncvs.html#CVSROOT, of course. Not all are listed, but one can either use one that needs verified or contact the maintainer for a cor

Re: digitally signed distribution (was: OBSD's perspective on SELinux)

2007-09-24 Thread Lars Hansson
On 9/24/07, Martin Schrvder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > 2007/9/24, Joachim Schipper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > Sure it does, just pull from CVS over SSH and compile your own. Only > > Where do I get the ssh fingerprints of the CVS servers? Where do you get the public keys for the digitally signed d

Re: OpenBSD on a Dell PowerEdge SC1430 Server ?

2007-09-24 Thread David Brohall
Hi I run it on a Dell SC1420 (with SATA) without any problem. David - Original Message - From: "Graeme Neilson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2007 7:08 AM Subject: OpenBSD on a Dell PowerEdge SC1430 Server ? Hi, I was wondering if anyone had any experience o

OpenBSD on a Dell PowerEdge SC1430 Server ?

2007-09-24 Thread Graeme Neilson
Hi, I was wondering if anyone had any experience of OpenBSD on a Dell PowerEdge SC1430 Server? Specifically I am wondering if the SATA controller is supported. It doesn't seem to tell me what it is on the Dell site. I am considering putting two of these in it as well: Intel Pro/1000 PTx1 PCIe Si

Re: OBSD's perspective on SELinux

2007-09-24 Thread Marco S Hyman
> Burroughs Computers essentially went out of business because their > computers refused to do illegal operations while IBM's computers > very happily did all sorts of illegal stuff. Way off topic here... Burroughs became part of Unisys and the architecture that "refused to do illegal operati

Re: OBSD's perspective on SELinux

2007-09-24 Thread Damien Miller
On Sat, 22 Sep 2007, Douglas A. Tutty wrote: > Hello all, > > I'm running OBSD on my older boxes but still Debian on my big box (not > ready yet). > > Linux has SELinux in its 2.6 kernel and debian has gone ahead and > compiled SELinux into the libraries, although the SELinux policies > aren't r

Re: SMTP flood + spamdb

2007-09-24 Thread patrick keshishian
On 9/24/07, Stuart Henderson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 2007/09/23 20:53, patrick keshishian wrote: > > > > They seemed pretty random to me, but I did a quick > > check after reading your response and I see 468 unique > > "fake" email address @my-domain, only one was > > duplicated twice. > >

Re: OBSD's perspective on SELinux

2007-09-24 Thread Todd Alan Smith
On 9/24/07, Tony Abernethy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Burroughs Computers essentially went out of business because their > computers refused to do illegal operations This is ironic considering that Burroughs Corp was founded by William S. Burroughs' grandfather ;-)

Re: OBSD's perspective on SELinux

2007-09-24 Thread Tony Abernethy
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > On 24.09-13:48, Darren Spruell wrote: > [ ... ] > > Oh, that sounds like a recipe for success. > > > > - Run _arbitrary_ _binary_ application on system. Intend to > use policy > > wrapper to restrict to allowed operations. > > exactly, if the application cannot run wit

Re: lock(1) to lock all virtual terminals?

2007-09-24 Thread Todd Alan Smith
On 9/24/07, Darren Spruell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 9/23/07, Todd Alan Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On 9/23/07, Douglas A. Tutty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Sun, Sep 23, 2007 at 05:23:37PM -0600, Chris Kuethe wrote: > > > > On 9/23/07, Todd Alan Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrot

Re: OBSD's perspective on SELinux

2007-09-24 Thread ttw+bsd
On 24.09-14:28, Luke Bakken wrote: [ ... ] > Intelligent sysadmins know every setuid binary on their system. > Unintelligent ones get owned. you'll forgive me if this does not sound "intelligent" to me. a consiencous sysadmin looks at the requirements and picks the best tools to match. in the va

Re: OBSD's perspective on SELinux

2007-09-24 Thread ttw+bsd
On 24.09-13:48, Darren Spruell wrote: [ ... ] > Oh, that sounds like a recipe for success. > > - Run _arbitrary_ _binary_ application on system. Intend to use policy > wrapper to restrict to allowed operations. exactly, if the application cannot run within the defined policies it will not be allo

Re: minimum hard-drive space to compile patches?

2007-09-24 Thread Nick Holland
Douglas A. Tutty wrote: > I currently have OBSD running on my P-II with an 850 MB drive and 64 MB > ram. On install, I chose not to include the compiler set over concern > re drive space. The FAQ says how much space is required to minimally > run OBSD and it says how much to be able to comfortabl

Re: Problem with Intel 4-port NIC

2007-09-24 Thread Stuart Henderson
On 2007/09/25 05:13, Insan Praja SW wrote: > On Tue, 18 Sep 2007 21:15:05 +0700, Stuart Henderson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: >> On 2007/09/18 16:00, Michel Le Cocq wrote: >>> I don't understand what you have done to make it working. >> >> Forced the pci-x slot to 66MHz. > > That would mean't the

touch screens

2007-09-24 Thread Chris Cappuccio
Does anyone have any recommendations on 7" or smaller touch screens that have a USB input ? I want something preferrably under or around $100... I want to mount it on a car dash.

Re: OpenCON 2007 // Call for Papers

2007-09-24 Thread Eric Johnson
On Mon, 24 Sep 2007 22:55:16 +0200 Ed <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > http://2006.opencon.org/ Just out of curiousity (since I can't make it), is there a newer page on this? Eric Johnson

Re: Problem installing openBSD 4.0 on intel S3000AH

2007-09-24 Thread Insan Praja SW
Guys, OpenBSD 4.1 on Intel S3000AH doesn't even sigh... Thanks for the helps, hints and clues.. On Tue, 18 Sep 2007 05:28:47 +0700, Stuart Henderson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On 2007/09/18 04:47, Insan Praja SW wrote: I tested the motherboard using 3.9 obsd, and it works like charm.. if

Re: Problem with Intel 4-port NIC

2007-09-24 Thread Insan Praja SW
On Tue, 18 Sep 2007 21:15:05 +0700, Stuart Henderson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On 2007/09/18 16:00, Michel Le Cocq wrote: I don't understand what you have done to make it working. Forced the pci-x slot to 66MHz. That would mean't the card wont perform as it should, right? Thanks, -- Ins

Re: OBSD's perspective on SELinux

2007-09-24 Thread Luke Bakken
> > > The guy can be some stupid binary software with an "if(uid!=root) bail();" > > > > People running arbitrary binary software requiring root on their systems > > deserve what they get. You can not work around this stupidity by ANY policy. > > that is not the case and is, in fact, the entire poi

Re: Question on interface enumeration

2007-09-24 Thread Ted Unangst
On 9/21/07, Gregory Edigarov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Well, thank you for so in-depth explanation, but what I meant really > was: is it guaranteed that if one take a card from the server and then > install the other card of the same make to the same slot, it will have > the same id? yes, if it

OpenCON 2007 // Call for Papers

2007-09-24 Thread Ed
Dear ladies and gentlemen, OpenCON is the only conference fully dedicated to OpenBSD. Last year edition was a great success and featured also the party for OpenBSD 10th birthday, with project leader Theo de Raadt and a lot of developers. More info here: http://2006.opencon.org/ The OpenCON prog

Re: OBSD's perspective on SELinux

2007-09-24 Thread Rui Miguel Silva Seabra
On Mon, Sep 24, 2007 at 11:49:20AM -0700, Can E. Acar wrote: > In security, complex != good. Yes, which is one of the reasons I personally believe Visa's PCI is an extortion sham. However, some hugely influential entities happen to require those complexities, and no reason on the world will convi

Re: OBSD's perspective on SELinux

2007-09-24 Thread Darren Spruell
On 9/24/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 24.09-11:49, Can E. Acar wrote: > [ ... ] > > > The guy can be some stupid binary software with an "if(uid!=root) bail();" > > > > People running arbitrary binary software requiring root on their systems > > deserve what they get. You ca

Re: OBSD's perspective on SELinux

2007-09-24 Thread ttw+bsd
On 24.09-11:49, Can E. Acar wrote: [ ... ] > > The guy can be some stupid binary software with an "if(uid!=root) bail();" > > People running arbitrary binary software requiring root on their systems > deserve what they get. You can not work around this stupidity by ANY policy. that is not the cas

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Re: OBSD's perspective on SELinux

2007-09-24 Thread Ted Unangst
On 9/24/07, Jacob Yocom-Piatt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Ted Unangst wrote: > > On 9/23/07, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > >> Can you say "root can only run this and that application when su'ed from > >> that guy, and may not open any net connection, but open this file a

Re: Does OpenBSD support Hebrew?

2007-09-24 Thread Gregg Reynolds
On 9/24/07, Christian Weisgerber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Aaron W. Hsu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > I am willing to guess that with something like Hebrew, OpenBSD has all the > > necessary support for the system, but, most common applications do not have > > support for the right-to-left wa

Re: OBSD's perspective on SELinux

2007-09-24 Thread Can E. Acar
Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote: > Hi, > > On Mon, Sep 24, 2007 at 04:31:22PM +0100, Brian Candler wrote: >> On Sun, Sep 23, 2007 at 10:54:06PM +0100, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote: >> > On Sat, Sep 22, 2007 at 06:47:46PM -0500, L. V. Lammert wrote: >> > > OBSD is UNIX, .. SELinux is Linux. If you w

Re: lock(1) to lock all virtual terminals?

2007-09-24 Thread Darren Spruell
On 9/23/07, Todd Alan Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 9/23/07, Douglas A. Tutty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Sun, Sep 23, 2007 at 05:23:37PM -0600, Chris Kuethe wrote: > > > On 9/23/07, Todd Alan Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Does "lock -nv" not work? I just read about this in

Re: OBSD's perspective on SELinux

2007-09-24 Thread ttw+bsd
On 24.09-10:25, Jason Dixon wrote: [ ... ] > > What I'm trying to say is that all the services I listed before make > > their own little SELinux layer with appropriate policy built into > > them. Better than SELinux though is that the monitor is enabled by > > default and generally can't be turned

Re: OpenBSD on decTOP?

2007-09-24 Thread Andrew Dyer
Maurice Janssen wrote: > Sorry, it was a bit short. What I meant to say: "5V,GND,RX,TX" sounds a > bit like USB, instead of a good old RS-232 serial port that can be used > as a serial console. > typically the USB lines are called VBUS, D+, D-, and GND. I would guess that is a serial port. Se

Re: OpenBSD on decTOP?

2007-09-24 Thread Diana Eichert
On Mon, 24 Sep 2007, Maurice Janssen wrote: Sorry, it was a bit short. What I meant to say: "5V,GND,RX,TX" sounds a bit like USB, instead of a good old RS-232 serial port that can be used as a serial console. Maurice nah, it sounds like a lot of embedded systems that have a serial port but l

Re: OBSD's perspective on SELinux

2007-09-24 Thread Jacob Yocom-Piatt
Ted Unangst wrote: On 9/23/07, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Can you say "root can only run this and that application when su'ed from that guy, and may not open any net connection, but open this file and none else" in OpenBSD? If so, how can I do it? :) man 4 systr

Re: minimum hard-drive space to compile patches?

2007-09-24 Thread Stephan F Andre
Douglas A. Tutty writes: I currently have OBSD running on my P-II with an 850 MB drive and 64 MB ram. On install, I chose not to include the compiler set over concern re drive space. The FAQ says how much space is required to minimally run OBSD and it says how much to be able to comfortably co

Re: OpenBSD on decTOP?

2007-09-24 Thread Maurice Janssen
On Monday, September 24, 2007 at 11:50:01 -0600, Diana Eichert wrote: >On Mon, 24 Sep 2007, Maurice Janssen wrote: > >>On Monday, September 24, 2007 at 07:43:21 -0600, Diana Eichert wrote: >>>Howdy all, >>> >>>Anyone tried OpenBSD on a decTOP? >>>http://store.dataevolution.com/ProductDetails.asp?Pr

Re: OpenBSD on decTOP?

2007-09-24 Thread Diana Eichert
On Tue, 25 Sep 2007, Jonathan Gray wrote: On Mon, Sep 24, 2007 at 07:43:21AM -0600, Diana Eichert wrote: Howdy all, Anyone tried OpenBSD on a decTOP? http://store.dataevolution.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=DT%2D7001&CartID=1 Small, little, Geode system. The downside is there's no serial

Re: OpenBSD on decTOP?

2007-09-24 Thread Diana Eichert
On Mon, 24 Sep 2007, Maurice Janssen wrote: On Monday, September 24, 2007 at 07:43:21 -0600, Diana Eichert wrote: Howdy all, Anyone tried OpenBSD on a decTOP? http://store.dataevolution.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=DT%2D7001&CartID=1 Small, little, Geode system. The downside is there's

Re: digitally signed distribution (was: OBSD's perspective on SELinux)

2007-09-24 Thread Antti Harri
On Mon, 24 Sep 2007, Martin Schrvder wrote: > But can we agree that packages are not digitally signed, patches are > not digitally signed and the methods used to distribute sources online > also don't use digital signatures? And that md5/sha1 and pgp are older > than OBSD? I just wanted to add th

Re: OBSD's perspective on SELinux

2007-09-24 Thread Ted Unangst
On 9/23/07, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Can you say "root can only run this and that application when su'ed from > that guy, and may not open any net connection, but open this file and none > else" in OpenBSD? If so, how can I do it? :) man 4 systrace

Re: OBSD's perspective on SELinux

2007-09-24 Thread Rui Miguel Silva Seabra
Hi, On Mon, Sep 24, 2007 at 04:31:22PM +0100, Brian Candler wrote: > On Sun, Sep 23, 2007 at 10:54:06PM +0100, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote: > > On Sat, Sep 22, 2007 at 06:47:46PM -0500, L. V. Lammert wrote: > > > OBSD is UNIX, .. SELinux is Linux. If you want a secure, efficient, > > > compact O

Re: digitally signed distribution (was: OBSD's perspective on SELinux)

2007-09-24 Thread Martin Schröder
2007/9/24, Gilles Chehade <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > You can fingerprint the tarballs and compare against the ones on the CD > you bought to support the project ? :-) I can. But can we agree that packages are not digitally signed, patches are not digitally signed and the methods used to distribute so

Re: minimum hard-drive space to compile patches?

2007-09-24 Thread Woodchuck
On Mon, 24 Sep 2007, Douglas A. Tutty wrote: > I currently have OBSD running on my P-II with an 850 MB drive and 64 MB > ram. On install, I chose not to include the compiler set over concern > re drive space. The FAQ says how much space is required to minimally > run OBSD and it says how much to

Re: Unable to map phys mem on Intel D945G motherboard

2007-09-24 Thread rwaite1
Your message header seems to point to an issue that has come up a few times. However.. your message body doesn't really give any good clues. I would suggest looking at a past post with the subject "OpenBSD 4.1 install issue??" from early May of this year. If my guess is correct.. when you use the

Re: digitally signed distribution (was: OBSD's perspective on SELinux)

2007-09-24 Thread Martin Schröder
2007/9/24, Wade, Daniel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > Where do I get the ssh fingerprints of the CVS servers? > > > > And if I use cvsync, where do I get fingerprints? > > http://www.openbsd.org/anoncvs.html#CVSROOT Thanks. It's not complete (i.e. not all servers have fingerprints), but a start. This

Re: digitally signed distribution (was: OBSD's perspective on SELinux)

2007-09-24 Thread Gilles Chehade
On Mon, Sep 24, 2007 at 05:18:05PM +0200, Martin Schr?der wrote: > 2007/9/24, Joachim Schipper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > Sure it does, just pull from CVS over SSH and compile your own. Only > > Where do I get the ssh fingerprints of the CVS servers? > > And if I use cvsync, where do I get fingerpr

Re: OBSD's perspective on SELinux

2007-09-24 Thread Brian Candler
On Sun, Sep 23, 2007 at 10:54:06PM +0100, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote: > On Sat, Sep 22, 2007 at 06:47:46PM -0500, L. V. Lammert wrote: > > OBSD is UNIX, .. SELinux is Linux. If you want a secure, efficient, > > compact OS done by folks you can trust and actually talk to, use OBSD; if > > you wan

Re: digitally signed distribution (was: OBSD's perspective on SELinux)

2007-09-24 Thread Wade, Daniel
> -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > On Behalf Of Martin Schrvder > Sent: Monday, September 24, 2007 11:18 AM > To: misc@openbsd.org > Subject: Re: digitally signed distribution (was: OBSD's > perspective on SELinux) > > 2007/9/24, Joachim Schipper <[EM

Re: digitally signed distribution (was: OBSD's perspective on SELinux)

2007-09-24 Thread Martin Schröder
2007/9/24, Joachim Schipper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Sure it does, just pull from CVS over SSH and compile your own. Only Where do I get the ssh fingerprints of the CVS servers? And if I use cvsync, where do I get fingerprints? Best Martin

Re: OpenBSD on decTOP?

2007-09-24 Thread Maurice Janssen
On Monday, September 24, 2007 at 07:43:21 -0600, Diana Eichert wrote: >Howdy all, > >Anyone tried OpenBSD on a decTOP? >http://store.dataevolution.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=DT%2D7001&CartID=1 >Small, little, Geode system. The downside is there's no serial console, >until of course you t

Re: OBSD's perspective on SELinux

2007-09-24 Thread Chris Kuethe
On 9/22/07, Douglas A. Tutty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Could someone who knows both the details of OBSDs security enhancements > and the details of SELinux comment? A capsule summary of the situation is: OpenBSD aims to improve security by taking advantage of easy-to-use, hard-to-disable, low-

Re: pf tag from ipsec in nat rules

2007-09-24 Thread Markus Friedl
yes, that should be possible. if it does not work, then it's a bug. On Mon, Sep 24, 2007 at 03:08:29PM +0200, Markus Wernig wrote: > Hi all > > Can tags from ipsec (defined in ipsec.conf) be referenced in pf nat > rules (OBSD 4.1)? > > The idea is: > ipsec.conf: > ike esp from A to B tag "myta

Re: OBSD's perspective on SELinux

2007-09-24 Thread Jason Dixon
On Tue, 25 Sep 2007 00:08:15 +1000, David Gwynne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > What I'm trying to say is that all the services I listed before make > their own little SELinux layer with appropriate policy built into > them. Better than SELinux though is that the monitor is enabled by > default and

Re: OpenBSD on decTOP?

2007-09-24 Thread Jonathan Gray
On Mon, Sep 24, 2007 at 07:43:21AM -0600, Diana Eichert wrote: > Howdy all, > > Anyone tried OpenBSD on a decTOP? > http://store.dataevolution.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=DT%2D7001&CartID=1 > Small, little, Geode system. The downside is there's no serial console, > until of course you tak

Re: OBSD's perspective on SELinux

2007-09-24 Thread David Gwynne
On 23/09/2007, at 3:38 AM, Ihar Hrachyshka wrote: The problem of Linux as a whole is that it tries to resolve security problems not by auditing code but by implementing SELinux. That is a really interesting statement. But what the problem would be if OpenBSD has "SeBSD" extension? It's just

OpenBSD on decTOP?

2007-09-24 Thread Diana Eichert
Howdy all, Anyone tried OpenBSD on a decTOP? http://store.dataevolution.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=DT%2D7001&CartID=1 Small, little, Geode system. The downside is there's no serial console, until of course you take a look at a picture of the system board, http://www.enicomms.com/decTO

Re: IPSec VPN gateway with only one interface

2007-09-24 Thread Markus Wernig
For the record: The problem was not with with the single interface, but with my misreading the documentation. The error was in specifying the tunnel twice. The working ipsec directives are of course: ipsec.conf on A: ike esp from to peer srcid dstid ipsec.conf on B: ike passive esp tu

pf tag from ipsec in nat rules

2007-09-24 Thread Markus Wernig
Hi all Can tags from ipsec (defined in ipsec.conf) be referenced in pf nat rules (OBSD 4.1)? The idea is: ipsec.conf: ike esp from A to B tag "mytag" pf.conf: nat on $int_if tagged "mytag" -> ($int_if:1) nat on $int_if from !($int_if) -> ($int_if:0) If I use the "tagged" keyword, the second

Re: OpenBSD firewalls as virtual machine ?

2007-09-24 Thread Die Gestalt
> Can someone please inform me if this is a really bad idea or not, > ideally with some nice reasoning? Hi Josh, VM is great and I use it a lot for test and development. It's a marvellous tool. I also think it's very good to make virtual web/ftp/whatever servers, it eases maintenance and add a la

minimum hard-drive space to compile patches?

2007-09-24 Thread Douglas A. Tutty
I currently have OBSD running on my P-II with an 850 MB drive and 64 MB ram. On install, I chose not to include the compiler set over concern re drive space. The FAQ says how much space is required to minimally run OBSD and it says how much to be able to comfortably compile ("4G is not a bad size

Re: OpenBSD firewalls as virtual machine ?

2007-09-24 Thread David Gwynne
On 21/09/2007, at 11:09 AM, Josh wrote: Hello there. We have a bunch of obsd firewalls, 8 at the moment, all working nice and so forth. But we need to add about another 4 in there for new connections and networks, which means more machines to find room for. So basically I have been asked

Re: Does OpenBSD support Hebrew?

2007-09-24 Thread Christian Weisgerber
Aaron W. Hsu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I am willing to guess that with something like Hebrew, OpenBSD has all the > necessary support for the system, but, most common applications do not have > support for the right-to-left way of writing. Well, do you consider, say, ksh and vi as part of th

Re: SMTP flood + spamdb

2007-09-24 Thread Stuart Henderson
On 2007/09/23 20:53, patrick keshishian wrote: > > They seemed pretty random to me, but I did a quick > check after reading your response and I see 468 unique > "fake" email address @my-domain, only one was > duplicated twice. What's the problem, they'll just be dropped "user unknown" by your MTA

Re: Package Dependency Problem with glitz and X

2007-09-24 Thread Richard Toohey
The command you used works for me (well, no errors) on i386 - 4.1 installed off CD. X installed at install time, and definitely working on the machine. What is your PKG_PATH / where are the packages that you are installing from? # PKG_PATH=ftp://ftp.openbsd.org/pub/OpenBSD/4.1/packages/i