ll have a lot of porting work
to do.
The alternative is to drop the Android API from your Java app. I don't know
what's left of your app then.
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e you, because I'll have to assume you have
already done some initial work in order to estimate.
I'm basing mine in slideware coming out of Google & Android partners and
looking at the API.
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license(s) will it be under?
My guess is GPLv2 and compatible.
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enforcing upgradability would not be possible.
I don't want to be a naysayer, but I just don't think your plan could work in
all cases. We probably need to work harder to ensure API compatibility across
MeeGo versions and profiles.
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that make IPv6 not
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in MeeGo?
>
> what's ""WRT""? dictiopedia says "With Respect To".
Web Runtime. We're discussing whether to take the Nokia WRT, but that requires
opensourcing first, before going into MeeGo.
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ome companies do want it.
But, to have it, they have to get an agreement from Adobe. And depending on
how big the company is, they can have an agreement that gets Adobe on the line
for fixing bugs and testing Flash more deeply.
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ines actually- will be
> more precise from now on, :-)!
Well, unlike (Nokia) Web Runtime, "widget engine" doesn't mean anything to me
in the context of web.
Can you clarify what you meant?
PS: please trim your quotes and don't top-post in mailing lists
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s to
open-source it and relicense under an approved license.
But OEMs can still put Flash on top of the MeeGo core for their devices. My
guess is Nokia will do that.
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pect many devices to not ship
the GTK libraries, which would mean that, if your app uses that, the user will
have to download several megabytes of libraries.
Also note that some stores (like the Ovi Store) may not allow non-Qt-based
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MADDE is just a convenient way of upgrading the sysroot to a new
release, because finding the .deb files that I need to download, then
converting
them to .tgz is quite a tedious job.
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n the common infrastructure. If it's going
to exist anyway, then we had better keep it close to the core.
As for the second question, I'm not sure. On Maemo, right now, the Extras
repository comes preconfigured, but disabled. But I guess that, at the end,
it's going to be up to th
aemo 5 and for Harmattan, though. But it doesn't
matter who creates the packages for us, as long as you don't patch them and as
long as our QA infra-structure can still test Qt on the target environments.
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logistic service, etc. Open-sourceness is just one item in the checklist.
So, it's not as simple as "opensource your driver or we won't use buy
1,000,000 units from you". What if that's a bluff?
Don't get me wrong: I'd love to see it open source too. But
hat the
Open Source part doesn't support, what shall they do? Think not of Nokia or
Intel here, but a small device vendor, a start-up. Please answer.
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sn't support some privates components.
Agreed and that's my entire point.
I'm saying it's not a MeeGo problem. I'm saying it's that vendor's problem.
Your arguments seemed to imply that they shouldn't be _allowed_ to use non-
open source drivers because they a
a PowerVR SGX 530 GPU.
In fact, the entire OMAP3 line comes with PowerVR SGX 530.
Until someone develops *good* open-source drivers for it, we're stuck with the
Imagination closed-source ones.
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Em Segunda-feira 22 Março 2010, às 14:13:17, Marius Vollmer escreveu:
> ext Thiago Macieira writes:
> > Until someone develops *good* open-source drivers for it, we're stuck
> > with the Imagination closed-source ones.
>
> What is missing to make this happen? Su
t's a typical case of Strategy classes: who has the upper hand?
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re battery-efficient (doesn't cause ALL applications to wake up when one new
application joins or exits the bus).
But it's harmless otherwise.
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> No, it's not possible because the tarball would be different each
> time; due to different timestamps, etc.
git archive generates tarballs exactly alike if you tell it to work on a tag.
It uses the tag's timestamp.
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t to Debian and ask them how soon they can provide a
package.
> In the meantime, can the MeeGo team issue some workround instructions? A
> .deb for pykickstart which we can download and install would be useful.
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Em Sábado 3. Abril 2010, às 00.38.30, Graham Cobb escreveu:
> On Friday 02 April 2010 22:59:58 Thiago Macieira wrote:
> > Why did you file it in bugzilla.meego.com? How is it MeeGo's problem that
> > Debian doesn't have python-kickstart?
>
> Did you read the bug?
it from another angle: your reporting of the issues is
closing the QA loop. Now the bugs are getting fixed and Debian was tested.
That's the power of community -- it's much larger than just the Intel and
Nokia engineers could do on their own.
Now let's get back to work.
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Em Quarta-feira 07 Abril 2010, às 10:31:58, 金鑫 escreveu:
> I burn the img to my usb disk. when i boot my netbook from the usb
> disk...just terminal...have no MeeGo User Experiences .
That's correct. This is an early developer release.
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ively slow CPUs. They need help from the GPU to drive that
many pixels at a reasonable framerate -- that's what the GPU is there for.
> One thought is that this might be an issue for the use of open-source
> graphics drivers (as usually proprietary drivers are needed for 3D)
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do, so the commercial license is offered to those who want other terms.
If you want more information, consult a lawyer on the subject of the LGPL.
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community have to worry about.
(Also note that GL and GLES are not the only ways of accessing hardware
acceleration, but they are the only ways MeeGo is interested in supporting. Qt
also supports OpenVG)
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But it's a UI problem if the UI doesn't scale to proper DPI. Different types of
devices will have wildly different real-DPI values, so those should be taken
into account.
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8 build for Windows CE (which includes CE5 and WM6
support) or the Maemo 5 build.
> And I think my other questions need to goto meego-sdk ..
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n event.
Let's even extend EWMH with this event. Then Qt and any other toolkit can send
the appropriate event.
Forget Symbian at this point. People here in MeeGo don't have to worry about
it.
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tation animation. There's no way to do that with the rotation being done
outside of the application.
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king about? Qt has had a gesture system since 4.5
and there are a couple of built-in gestures, like pinch/rotate, tap, tap-and-
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On Tuesday, 16 de November de 2010 09:34:19 xin li wrote:
> meego will to supports radeonHD video?pityful nv...
Well, now we just have to go convince NVidia. They're also making ARM chips
(without Neon and on VFPv3-D16).
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touch hack, which isn't in MeeGo yet.
We're working on it.
> - where could I find the dependencies I would need to install prior to
> compilation?
Usually by trial and error. That's what I do. Look at the configure output of
"no" and find out what you misse
ed?
The package is libX11-devel (capital letter X, "devel" not "dev").
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On Monday, 22 de November de 2010 05:04:10 Carl Snellman wrote:
> ./configure -meego
There's no such option (-meego). You must pass a lot more options to configure
and you must pass one option to make install to make it install inside the
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to complete the build. Here's the output from time
trying to link it on my Core-i7 workstation:
10.17user 1.01system 0:11.31elapsed 98%CPU (0avgtext+0avgdata
3280896maxresident)k
24inputs+64296outputs (0major+288081minor)pagefaults 0swaps
As you can see in "maxresident", it use
; and to make clear which level it happened.
Make sure you're using standard, modern client-side fonts (fontconfig,
freetype), not old-style X server-side fonts.
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endors to cope
with their specific software and hardware specificities. I don't think anyone
has a full view of the patches applied and bugs fixed.
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ix it.
> If some one familiar with this part, please help us!
The raster engine wouldn't be enough. You can try it, but it's likely that we
won't reach the performance required for the smooth animations we want to
have.
We need the OpenGL ES drivers.
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ace, nothing happened. i try to launch the both of them from
> terminal, but it's failed also.
What was the error from the terminal?
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dependency (usually -lc is last). This is required by
linkers, since they may throw away the symbol table from a library when
they're done with it.
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P
On Sunday, 28 de November de 2010 05:30:10 Ash wrote:
> Has anyone had any luck downgrading the X version to 1.8 using Meego 1.1?
> If so, any tips on how we could do this?
Note that downgrading will probably put you in violation of the MeeGo
Compliance spec.
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hat was?
In gdb, type after the crash:
x/i $pc
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; instruction on the stack. Check whether you did anything on your stack
> that might have negative impact on stack consistency.
Stack is not supposed to contain instuctions.
But it could be that the stack got corrupted and a return went to the wrong
address.
I looked at my __aeabi_d2lz (in li
ecause the debugger resolved it to
__aeabi_d2lz.
I looked at the ABI spec and it says d2lz is "convert double to C long" and it
may be implemented either in software or in hardware.
Looks to me like you installed a libgcc_s.so which is not compatible with your
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u write "T" instead of "const T &" and use no spaces around
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an you clarify?
The Qt fix was applied as e4407012815a805d9a7d1a3beb7038a93cdd74dd but it isn't
in any release yet. It's post 4.7.1.
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ported we could never use it. I don't know if the circumstances
are still the same.
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ayer there.
Can you clarify what you're trying to do?
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have to debug problems on
production devices, where gdb isn't present.
Finally, JTAG is really a specialised case. It's more useful for benchmarking
and dissecting why something is slow on device, or maybe for hardware
debugging. See:
http://labs.qt.nokia.com/2009/09/29/exploring-qt-per
t to push an upgrade to the next higher version
> (instead of just an update within a version).
>
> Is it just a zypper dist-upgrade with new repositories?
Yeah, sounds about right. :-)
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me, in any case...
The entire hierarchy of /usr/share/applications should be searched. The
subdirs are simply an organisation trick.
hildon/example.desktop is tracked as if it were hildon-example.desktop.
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fdef Q_WS_X11
and in the .pro files:
unix { ... }
linux-* { ... }
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there was a better way. You know,
> something reliable and/or organized.
I agree. Tell me which information will help you make the right decision.
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41:50] welfg: This release requires accepting the Google Chrome end user
> license agreement (EULA).
> [16:42:11] welfg: looks like made by google
And right after that:
13:42 < welfg> whatever
13:42 < thiago> Chrome is made by google
13:42 < thiago> MeeGo isn't
> I
ired.
We can. There is a netbook build without Chrome.
But that doesn't help with having a nice browser by default.
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namespace containing
some functions, from module QtTest).
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high-end. And, moreover, I also don't think QWS is the best
architecture or is abetter alternative than X11, like you siad.
QPA / Lighthouse, yes, that is a better alternative. But we need a windowing
server first and Wayland is not ready.
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r. If you get a Timeout error immediately, then it's case 2. If it waits
for 25 seconds, then it's case 1.
PS: please don't hijack threads. Your message has nothing to do with the
Pulseaudio reversion plan. If you have a new topic, please create a new
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On Monday, 27 de December de 2010 14:37:00 Sivan Greenberg wrote:
> On Mon, Dec 27, 2010 at 3:04 AM, Thiago Macieira wrote:
> > I don't know if this was the intention, but the name indicates that one
> > is supposed to write a unit test application (QTest is the namespace
ike Ville said, if you want to know more, watch the QTCOMPONENTS-72 task and
join the mailing lists. *All* of the source code is public, the tasks are
public, etc. The only thing we're not sharing is the actual device's theme.
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s (think Flash players, Chrome
browsers, etc.), which is also one of the reasons why switching to Wayland
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QVariant.
> How can I use it in this case? Or I must convert to QVariant?
Yes. There are two ways to do that:
1) add operator QVariant() const { return QVariant::fromValue(*this); }
to your MyStruct class
2) make the call as:
call("messageArrived", QVariant::fromV
ency of those applications.
And yes, reference applications don't need to be compliant. Anyone can ship a
MeeGo device with non-compliant applications. In fact, there's nothing that
stops non-compliant applications from being allowed on any kind of device.
What matters is that complian
On Thursday, 6 de January de 2011 09:15:56 Sergio Schvezov wrote:
> On Wed, 2011-01-05 at 17:09 -0800, Thiago Macieira wrote:
> > On Wednesday, 5 de January de 2011 09:22:22 Pertti Kellomki wrote:
> > > On 01/05/2011 12:58 AM, ext Arjan van de Ven wrote:
> > >
>
F applications are using
Graphics View, whereas traditional applications use QWidget. There's simply no
way of doing everything GV does in QWidget -- that's why MTF developers chose
GV in the first place.
The QWidget style is a "best effort" approach.
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Linaro 2010.12 to see if this fixes the NEON
> issues. Downside of this is that it is actually 4.5.2 based, which we
> don't have current program office approval for changing.
See if adding -fno-tree-vrp helps.
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fferent.
By the way, I should point out that on Cortex-A8, RunFast only has a
perceptible improvement for float. If you use double, you still have
performance issues.
On Cortex-A9, both are fast.
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s no such API. We also have no current plans -- speach
recognition is not an easy task.
But we're open for ideas on how to implement this.
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t for their own builds.
And by the way, Qt 4.7 does not compile in Thumb mode on Linux. And this
includes any code that uses Qt. The Linaro folks have submitted a (rather
trivial) patch to fix the issue, but it isn't in yet.
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ld be (blessed by
XDG), then we'll be happy to read it from QtCore.
[*] Qt doesn't read custom locale files yet, but we might just write that code
if MeeGo uses it. This doesn't require XDG blessing.
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case statements in GCC is:
ldrbr3, [r4], #1@ zero_extendqisi2
strbr3, [ip], #1
whereas RVCT produces:
LDRB r4,[r1],#1
ADD r2,r3,#1
STRB r4,[r3,#0]
MOV r3,r2
That is, the same first instruction, but it uses two additiona
stem presents times and dates)
For Qt to change this behaviour, we need a standard to follow. It can either
be:
A) set LANG to a file name, so we'll implement:
- parsing of locale files
- update when file is modified
This requires no communication with XDG.
B) agree on a Linux-wide w
On Tuesday, 25 de January de 2011 08:05:46 Marius Vollmer wrote:
> ext Thiago Macieira writes:
> > Em segunda-feira, 24 de janeiro de 2011, às 16:38:46, Dave Neary escreveu:
> >> Arjan van de Ven wrote:
> >> > Heck, app writers wouldn't even notice t
g.
See:
http://labs.qt.nokia.com/2010/08/25/improving-the-string-performance-with-
more-simd-or-not/
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Anyway, Arjan was comparing GConf and DConf when he said users wouldn't
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ve (optional)
change notification. The "how" is the big question, since QSettings is actually
quite old and complex code.
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ue space? What happens when this app quits?
>
> Thus, shouldn't you use that if you need notifications and QSettings for
> the cases you don't. Seems pretty logical to me.
>
> Having said that, I do vote for Marius Vollmers proposal that there
> should be a dconf back
Mobility areas that should be moved into QtCore so that the
core can also benefit from it. P&S and System Information come to mind (cf the
other thread on how to find out what kind of device you're on). I've already
discussed this internally, but we haven't had any action on the
or glibc itself.
Sorry, what source code?
Of my benchmarks? I only wrote the x86 parts of it. I didn't have enough free
time to try to optimise with ARM code.
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Key_HomePage (not Qt::Key_Home) and Qt::Key_Back.
http://doc.qt.nokia.com/latest/qt.html#Key-enum
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ompositor.
Each application rotates itself by drawing everything 90° rotated.
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e. What should we do about it?
Please remember that this is the MeeGo-dev mailing list, about developing the
core MeeGo OS. What software answer is there to your question?
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we need this driver for MT
> support in 1.2 ?? Is this a mistake or a policy change?
1.2 will use the standard kernel MT interface. It will not use the "RX-71
hack" protocol.
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There might be a daemon already listening to this event and reporting it in
contextkit.
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On Friday, 4 de February de 2011 21:21:04 Antti Kaijanmäki wrote:
> I think IPv6 is mandatory for any product that comes out these days.
> Even more importantly now that the IPv4 address pool has finally been
> completely depleted. So yes I think MeeGo 1.1 compliance spec should
> mention at least
we're following,
we should be.
By the way, has XDG fixed the problem of discovering the active icon theme?
Which in turn reminds me: some of the X-based specs will require a replacement
once we move to Wayland, like XSETTINGS or XDND, whereas others won't make
sense, like NETWM.
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> in
> OBS).
This is an arch issue. That symbol above is only present in the Generic and
Symbian architectures. On any Linux system, there should be inline assembly
functions, so this symbol should never appear.
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Known issue. Thumb builds on Linux have never been supported.
The Linaro guys have proposed a patch, though:
http://bugreports.qt.nokia.com/browse/QTBUG-15911
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qt4-x11/+bug/490371
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termination... then I missed a
> memo somewhere.
You're right: before it can be terminated, an alternative needs to come along.
My guess (and it's a guess!) is that we'll see these things move away when
Wayland moves in.
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ss there is no way(land) around it in the mean time.
You know that one developer got Qt running on Android, right? Wayland
shouldn't be _that_ hard...
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special patch I made that logs all warnings to the syslog.
If the code is properly written, there will be no warnings. Qt has no tracing
or debugging messages.
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On Wednesday, 2 de March de 2011 23:35:26 Yung, Winson W wrote:
> Can you please provide some insight on how to enable/use the patch?
It's already enabled if you're using the MeeGo build of Qt.
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On Thursday, 3 de March de 2011 16:39:12 Mark Constable wrote:
> On 03/03/11, Thiago Macieira wrote:
> > Look no further, it's already in master:
> > http://qt.gitorious.org/qt/qt/trees/master/src/plugins/platforms/wayland
>
> Apologies for asking about generic git
n generates no warnings.
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as the same name as the "default" branch of the repository you cloned.
That means a branch called "master" doesn't exist.
You really want:
git checkout -b master origin/master
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