Re: [mailop] Speaking of too many SPF, Many SPF failures lately

2017-05-18 Thread Luis E. Muñoz
On 17 May 2017, at 16:49, Michael Peddemors wrote: It looks not bad, successive lookups to 3 parts.. and they all look good. Don't like this part of course.. include:sharepointonline.com ip4:52.104.0.0/14 Right there! I've had thoughts about actually penalizing sites that list such vast

Re: [mailop] Many SPF failures lately

2017-05-19 Thread Luis E. Muñoz
On 19 May 2017, at 8:52, John Levine wrote: In article you write: It might be obvious in this particular case but it isn't in general if your users asked or agreed to reject SPF-Fails. I would be pretty impressed to find a mail system where the users even knew what SPF fails were, much le

Re: [mailop] self-signed cert for inbound TLS

2017-07-26 Thread Luis E. Muñoz
I think the key part is not "expect", but actually don't require it. -lem On 26 Jul 2017, at 10:10, Brandon Long via mailop wrote: > Why can't smtp software being expected to maintain a list of trusted CAs? > Or at least run on an OS that is expected to do so. __

Re: [mailop] Concurrent Messages and Proper Time to Keep a Connection Open

2017-07-31 Thread Luis E. Muñoz
On 31 Jul 2017, at 13:21, Ryan Harris via mailop wrote: Not that we're the best neighbors in this regard, but we don't reuse connections for the vast majority of endpoints, just the highest by volume, and we only keep connections open for potential reuse for 30s. Have you considered turning

Re: [mailop] self-signed cert for inbound TLS

2017-07-31 Thread Luis E. Muñoz
On 31 Jul 2017, at 19:55, John Levine wrote: Other than the usual horrible problems getting certs installed and configured, it's a great way to do client authentication. +1 Specially when you manage your own CA and can issue your own certs to the clients at onboarding. -lem _

[mailop] Sharing Google Postmaster Tools

2017-08-15 Thread Luis E. Muñoz
Hi there, I hope someone from Google can give me a hand. I've been trying to share a few domains in the Google Postmaster Tools console. These are the issues I've experienced: * Authenticated domains that I've shared with my personal Gmail account don't show up in my own console after ~48 h

Re: [mailop] Sharing Google Postmaster Tools

2017-08-17 Thread Luis E. Muñoz
6506> On Tue, Aug 15, 2017 at 9:47 PM, Luis E. Muñoz wrote: Hi there, I hope someone from Google can give me a hand. I've been trying to share a few domains in the Google Postmaster Tools console. These are the issues I've experienced: * Authenticated domains that I'v

Re: [mailop] Speaking of Banks, Pet Peeve SPF

2016-04-14 Thread Luis E. Muñoz
On 14 Apr 2016, at 14:04, Franck Martin via mailop wrote: I prefer example.com TXT "v=spf1 ip:0.0.0.0/0 -all" or more sneaky example.com TXT "v=spf1 ip:0.0.0.0/1 ip:128.0.0.0/1 -all" Which large mail provides either ignore or penalize. (Or will at some point in the future). -lem _

Re: [mailop] "Spammer TLDs" and IP addresses without a reverse?

2016-04-18 Thread Luis E. Muñoz
On 18 Apr 2016, at 8:28, Michelle Sullivan wrote: Petar Bogdanovic wrote: On Mon, Apr 18, 2016 at 01:41:55PM +0300, Otto J. Makela wrote: Would we actually miss any real emails if our mail server started rejecting all emails from .top, .win and .xyz TLDs? I don't think it's a good idea to re

Re: [mailop] "Spammer TLDs" and IP addresses without a reverse?

2016-04-19 Thread Luis E. Muñoz
On 19 Apr 2016, at 1:23, Paul Smith wrote: On 19/04/2016 06:40, Dave Warren wrote: On 2016-04-18 10:38, Michael Peddemors wrote: Registrars paid a lot of money to be able to offer TLD's and they shouldn't really be punished just because they are cheaper than other domains. Personally, I'm

Re: [mailop] Latest TLD issues..

2016-04-26 Thread Luis E. Muñoz
On 25 Apr 2016, at 15:25, Michelle Sullivan wrote: But again, it isn't the registrar that should be blamed, unless of course the domains are being registered with stolen or forged information and credit cards.. The thing is that in that ecosystem, the only one who has a hope of knowing who

Re: [mailop] Microsoft/Hotmail discards mails

2016-06-10 Thread Luis E. Muñoz
First of all, my kudos to Michael for discussing this so openly. On 10 Jun 2016, at 12:05, Hugo Slabbert wrote: I think everyone gets that the preferred behaviour is to reject at SMTP time, that it gets difficult/impossible to do the more tests you try and stuff into the filtering decision mak

Re: [mailop] domain research tools?

2016-07-28 Thread Luis E. Muñoz
And of course, there’s most(1) which is what currently replaces my former use of less(1). On 28 Jul 2016, at 8:16, Hugo Slabbert wrote: On Thu 2016-Jul-28 09:05:22 -0600, Anne Mitchell wrote: … I just call `whois` from BASH and pipe the results into `less`. I do this too, except I use '

Re: [mailop] domain research tools?

2016-07-28 Thread Luis E. Muñoz
On 28 Jul 2016, at 8:47, Michael Wise via mailop wrote: Sometimes, for the guys we hunt, the only evidence is metadata. +1000 Also, for the record, domain Registries often are ignorant on who the actual registrant is. This information can be more reliably extracted from the Registrar, and

Re: [mailop] Multivariate Subject testing influences Gmail's filters?

2016-12-13 Thread Luis E. Muñoz
On 13 Dec 2016, at 4:26, Marco Franceschetti via mailop wrote: Hi I am writing from ContactLab's Deliverability Team. One of our client has introduced multivariate testing on subject lines in the last 3 months. Gmail's inbox is since then more and more difficult to reach. Hi Marco, Exce

[mailop] Paging Yahoo

2016-12-19 Thread Luis E. Muñoz
Hi there, I'm in need of assistance regarding IMAP access to your platform. I would be most grateful if someone from Yahoo can contact me off-list. Thanks! -lem ___ mailop mailing list mailop@mailop.org https://chilli.nosignal.org/cgi-bin/mailman/l

Re: [mailop] Trying to work out cause of "Certificate rejected over TLS. (unknown protocol)" error

2017-01-09 Thread Luis E. Muñoz
This error seems similar to one we observed earlier in an unrelated application. Long story short, one of our customers' SSL library was rejecting our certificates with vague certificate errors. The culprit was that the client SSL library was configured to honor the historic export restric

[mailop] Current statistics on mail systems performance

2017-01-12 Thread Luis E. Muñoz
Hi there, I'm working on a general estimation of various performance / sizing parameters for contemporary mail systems. In particular I'm interested in mail systems that: * Are primarily accessed via standard protocols such as ESMTP and IMAP * Provide service to more than a few thousand mail

[mailop] Current statistics on mail systems performance

2017-01-13 Thread Luis E. Muñoz
(Resending -- apologies if seen twice) Hi there, I'm working on a general estimation of various performance / sizing parameters for contemporary mail systems. In particular I'm interested in mail systems that: * Are primarily accessed via standard protocols such as ESMTP and IMAP * Provide

[mailop] Is 88.blocklist.zap being EOLed?

2017-03-20 Thread Luis E. Muñoz
Dear colleagues, I was just told that while pursuing a delisting from 88.blocklist.zap, an email comes back containing text to the effect of: NOTE: Forefront product is end of life. You may still request delisting at https://sender.office.com/. Are the contents of 88.blocklist.zap still r

[mailop] Paging QQ...

2017-04-12 Thread Luis E. Muñoz
Not sure if someone from QQ is here. If so, I would appreciate an off-list ping. Best regards -lem ___ mailop mailing list mailop@mailop.org https://chilli.nosignal.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mailop

Re: [mailop] Sender MX pointing to *.registrar-servers.com => 100% Spam!

2017-08-31 Thread Luis E. Muñoz via mailop
On 31 Aug 2017, at 8:15, Benoit Panizzon wrote: > Hi Stefano > >> From my data I'd say that those MX are MX for PARKED domains at >> namecheap (I logged more than 1000 domains using that MX and randomly >> checking some of them, they are parked domains). >> >> I guess it can be safe to drop incomi

Re: [mailop] Sender MX pointing to *.registrar-servers.com => 100% Spam!

2017-08-31 Thread Luis E. Muñoz via mailop
On 31 Aug 2017, at 9:36, Grant Taylor via mailop wrote: On 08/31/2017 09:32 AM, Luis E. Muñoz via mailop wrote: I believe they misspelled "v=spf1 -all" Why would a spammer purposely use a SPF record that states that no email is sent? That seems like it would be the exact oppos

Re: [mailop] hotmail.co.uk bouncing entire IP range with "mailbox unavailable"

2017-09-01 Thread Luis E. Muñoz via mailop
On 1 Sep 2017, at 8:04, Angelina via mailop wrote: We're seeing it on our end as well as another ESP off list. On Fri, Sep 1, 2017 at 8:18 AM, Alexander Burch wrote: Anyone else seeing issue with hotmail.co.uk bouncing messages with this code: "550 Requested action not taken: mailbox una

Re: [mailop] Reg. Gmail Postmaster IP issue

2017-09-11 Thread Luis E. Muñoz via mailop
On 11 Sep 2017, at 9:16, Matt Gilbert wrote: This issue looks to be impacting 100% of our IPs as well. We’re seeing 100% bad reputation since 9/9 on all of our DKIM domains. Any updates about this will be appreciated. +1 All IPs with traffic in the last 24 hours for us. IPs that were quiesc

[mailop] Best rate limiting response?

2017-09-11 Thread Luis E. Muñoz via mailop
Over the years I've seen rate limiting responses as 421 and 451 (with the first being the most frequent). Is there a consensus in what the correct code should be? I'm going through RFC-5821 and none of the codes mentioned there seem to be a perfect match to "hitting a rate limit for an authent

Re: [mailop] Best rate limiting response?

2017-09-11 Thread Luis E. Muñoz via mailop
On 11 Sep 2017, at 17:38, Michael Peddemors wrote: Do you really want them to retry in this situation? This is a very good question. I think the answer depends on who will I be showing the error to. If I'm on my laptop happily sending emails out it really doesn't matter much I think, as th

Re: [mailop] Best rate limiting response?

2017-09-12 Thread Luis E. Muñoz via mailop
don't think any support a real ux for it, but maybe some will keep a scoreboard of successful recipients and keep retrying the message with the other ones... But even that seems likely to be a bad user experience. On 11 Sep 2017, at 18:45, Grant Taylor via mailop wrote: On 09/11/2017 06:52 P

[mailop] Rackspace to the white phone, please

2017-09-14 Thread Luis E. Muñoz via mailop
Hi, I would like to talk to someone at Rackspace about their email provisioning API. If you could contact me off-list, I would be grateful. Best regards -lem ___ mailop mailing list mailop@mailop.org https://chilli.nosignal.org/cgi-bin/mailman/list

Re: [mailop] Message Store on NFS in a high available setup

2017-09-27 Thread Luis E. Muñoz via mailop
On 27 Sep 2017, at 15:33, Rolf E. Sonneveld wrote: is there anyone working in a larger/'more demanding' environment, using NFS for his/her message store, where there is a business requirement of High Availability? If so, what commercial or open source storage solution is used? I have a simila

Re: [mailop] Tiscali.IT dropping connection after "." for some IP pool

2017-10-06 Thread Luis E. Muñoz via mailop
I can confirm this for imp-5.mail.tiscali.it from IPv4s in US west, center and east as well as Amsterdam. The rest of the MX servers work although the wait seems unusually high. Best regards -lem On 6 Oct 2017, at 8:13, Federico Santandrea wrote: We are also experiencing delays to Tiscali

Re: [mailop] unique/shared public DKIM keys per domain?

2017-10-11 Thread Luis E. Muñoz via mailop
On 11 Oct 2017, at 6:31, John Stephenson wrote: FWIW, maybe 5 years ago, we were required to send a legally mandated bulk email (deserving of delivery) and when reaching out to various inbox providers, my contact at yahoo suggested that I send this effort through an existing domain, but a un

Re: [mailop] Gmail - SSL cert changes - way to whitelist

2017-10-13 Thread Luis E. Muñoz via mailop
On 13 Oct 2017, at 11:02, Chris Adams wrote: > Once upon a time, Kostya Vasilyev said: >> The app "remembers" the SSL certs it has seen for a particular server >> / port, and if, when it connects, it finds that the cert has changed - >> >> - it flags this as an error and requires the user to de

Re: [mailop] Hotmail, green SNDS and junk folder placement

2017-11-02 Thread Luis E. Muñoz via mailop
On 2 Nov 2017, at 12:24, Michael Wise via mailop wrote: > Apologies for the delay. No apologies required. Instead, thank you again for your assistance! -lem ___ mailop mailing list mailop@mailop.org https://chilli.nosignal.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinf

Re: [mailop] Hotmail and 4.5.1 4.7.500 Server Busy with some

2017-11-09 Thread Luis E. Muñoz via mailop
On 9 Nov 2017, at 13:33, Charles McKean wrote: Legal? Was that a threat? Do you have prior experience attacking a lunatic asylum with a banana? Best of luck. I suspect^Whope this is a language thing. Best regards -lem On Thu, Nov 9, 2017 at 3:44 PM, Emre Üst |euro.message| wrote: Hell

Re: [mailop] A proposal for automated management of mail sending limits

2017-11-13 Thread Luis E. Muñoz via mailop
On 13 Nov 2017, at 9:05, Federico Santandrea wrote: Hello, I am working on a rough draft for a protocol meant to facilitate exchange of deliverability information among ESPs and mailbox providers. This arose from the observation that providers who choose to publish a description of what

Re: [mailop] Libero.it contact?

2017-11-22 Thread Luis E. Muñoz via mailop
On 22 Nov 2017, at 10:02, Tim Starr wrote: > My apologies if I've asked this before and forgotten the answer, but is > there a good way to contact Libero.it about one of my ESP clients getting > blocked? A couple years ago I had luck with postmaster@ Best regards -lem

[mailop] Contacting domain registrants through domain privacy services

2017-12-21 Thread Luis E. Muñoz via mailop
Hi there, I'm crossposting this message to mailing lists that I feel can provide informed feedback. Please accept my apologies if you're seeing this message more than once. I wanted to compare experiences with others regarding contacting domain owners via the registrant data in their whois r

[mailop] Proofpoint contact please

2018-01-11 Thread Luis E. Muñoz via mailop
Hi there, Various organizations are reporting persistent issues delivering email to various sites. Normal support channels aren't working. I would be grateful if someone from Proofpoint could ping me off-list. Best regards -lem ___ mailop mailing l

Re: [mailop] Proofpoint contact please

2018-01-12 Thread Luis E. Muñoz via mailop
PM, Luis E. Muñoz via mailop wrote: Hi there, Various organizations are reporting persistent issues delivering email to various sites. Normal support channels aren't working. I would be grateful if someone from Proofpoint could ping me off-list. Best regards

Re: [mailop] Issues delivering to Hotmail addresses

2018-01-24 Thread Luis E. Muñoz via mailop
On 23 Jan 2018, at 17:02, King, Brad wrote: Hi, We are seeing temporary rejections from Hotmail with the following error: 452 4.5.3 Recipients belong to multiple regions ATTR38 [CO1NAM03FT062.eop-NAM03.prod.protection.outlook.com] Does anyone know what this means? This particular sample

Re: [mailop] Anyone from Gmail ?

2018-03-06 Thread Luis E. Muñoz via mailop
On 6 Mar 2018, at 3:48, Vaibhav wrote: Hi, Recently I started working with one of the top Bank where we have setup dedicated infrastructure to send out emails. As per Gmail postmaster initially Delivery IP, sending domain used to carries high reputation with avg. 12% OR with no bounces & le

Re: [mailop] Anyone from Gmail ?

2018-03-06 Thread Luis E. Muñoz via mailop
On 6 Mar 2018, at 17:54, Michael Wise via mailop wrote: ... which if the Subject line conveys all the info you need, is a GOOD thing. True. However, there's little signal there for the ISP to know that you looked at the subject. The user won't even interact with the email and likely, will

[mailop] OpenDKIM KeyTable with inline keys

2018-04-24 Thread Luis E. Muñoz via mailop
Hi there, The text "otherwise it is itself a PEM-encoded private key or a base64-encoded DER private key" in the documentation for opendkim.conf (http://opendkim.org/opendkim.conf.5.html) lead me to believe that it's possible to simply take the private key, concatenate the base64 lines and p

[mailop] Bulk yahoo! FBL requests?

2018-07-05 Thread Luis E. Muñoz via mailop
Hi there, I need to send 70+ Yahoo Complaint Feedback Loop Service requests. Is there any way to submit them in bulk, rather than going through the captcha-protected form one at a time? Thanks in advance. -lem ___ mailop mailing list mailop@mailo

Re: [mailop] Bulk yahoo! FBL requests?

2018-07-05 Thread Luis E. Muñoz via mailop
Thanks for the advice Al! I'll give this a try. In my case, the verification codes are arriving within seconds, so that should make it quicker. Best regards -lem On 5 Jul 2018, at 19:36, Al Iverson via mailop wrote: Hey Lem, I've been down this road and they don't really have a way to faci

Re: [mailop] Is outlook.com blocking the Linode IP ranges?

2018-07-11 Thread Luis E. Muñoz via mailop
On 11 Jul 2018, at 11:33, Warren Volz wrote: On 07/11/2018 12:08 pm, Grant Taylor via mailop wrote: As a small time / personal operator that uses Linode VPS, I'm curious. If I can ask, how would your group respond to someone like me who tries to be very proactive and correct problems quic

[mailop] Paging t-online.de

2018-08-16 Thread Luis E. Muñoz via mailop
I have a couple of questions about error messages presented to your end users, most likely in German. Thanks! -lem ___ mailop mailing list mailop@mailop.org https://chilli.nosignal.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mailop

[mailop] Can someone from GMX please contact me offlist?

2018-08-30 Thread Luis E. Muñoz via mailop
Trying to include GMX in a test framework and would like to discuss some details. Thanks! -lem ___ mailop mailing list mailop@mailop.org https://chilli.nosignal.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mailop

Re: [mailop] Yahoo Deferrals

2018-09-02 Thread Luis E. Muñoz via mailop
On 30 Aug 2018, at 20:43, Andrew Gosney wrote: Hi all, Any Yahoo contacts here? We are seeing a large number of deferrals lately due to: 4.7.0 [TSS04] Messages from x.x.x.x temporarily deferred due to user complaints - 4.16.55.1; see https://help.yahoo.com/kb/postmaster/SLN3434.html Seei

[mailop] New IPs going online for Uniregistry customer email

2018-09-20 Thread Luis E. Muñoz via mailop
Dear colleagues, Uniregistry will be piloting a new email platform for customers. The following IP addresses will be sending email: 34.227.199.231 34.232.239.48 52.0.78.195 52.20.213.84 52.37.100.215 52.38.187.242 52.38.68.79 52.39.19.77 Service is offered for non-bulk, personal/one to one e

Re: [mailop] sender header and out-of-office replies

2018-10-01 Thread Luis E. Muñoz via mailop
On 1 Oct 2018, at 10:16, Jonathan Leist wrote: We recently removed the Sender header from outgoing emails in favour of x-dkim-options, as the latter offers the ability to more easily switch between selectors. However, following the change, users began reporting an increase in out-of-office re

Re: [mailop] YahooMailProxy User Agent

2018-10-16 Thread Luis E. Muñoz via mailop
On 16 Oct 2018, at 11:45, Marc Goldman via mailop wrote: Is it normal to see the YahooMailProxy;User Agent in open tracking? | open      | someem...@ymail.com | 209.73.183.19 | YahooMailProxy; https://help.yahoo.com/kb/yahoo-mail-proxy-SLN28749.html   I assume that its Yahoo unfurling redi

Re: [mailop] YahooMailProxy User Agent

2018-10-16 Thread Luis E. Muñoz via mailop
On 16 Oct 2018, at 12:42, Brandon Long wrote: It is pretty common these days for spam systems to sometimes visit links in the email message to help determine the spamminess or phishiness or just plain badness of messages. I can see the value of the datapoint. That said, if the automated fi

Re: [mailop] YahooMailProxy User Agent

2018-10-16 Thread Luis E. Muñoz via mailop
On 16 Oct 2018, at 15:12, Brandon Long wrote: On Tue, Oct 16, 2018 at 3:06 PM Luis E. Muñoz wrote: I can see the value of the datapoint. That said, if the automated filter visits a confirmation link then it would be breaking COI. How are ESPs discerning between those visits and the ones

Re: [mailop] YahooMailProxy User Agent

2018-10-16 Thread Luis E. Muñoz via mailop
On 16 Oct 2018, at 16:12, Brandon Long wrote: A phishing email with a bad link was partially responsible for the outcome of the 2016 US presidential election. History should remember that one as "the Email presidential election". Such messages are responsible for a large amount of damage

[mailop] gmx.com to the white courtesy phone

2018-10-29 Thread Luis E. Muñoz via mailop
Please contact me offlist. Thanks! -lem ___ mailop mailing list mailop@mailop.org https://chilli.nosignal.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mailop

[mailop] Can someone from antispamcloud.com contact me?

2018-11-15 Thread Luis E. Muñoz via mailop
I have a question about transactional email being blocked. I would appreciate an off-list contact. Thanks. -lem ___ mailop mailing list mailop@mailop.org https://chilli.nosignal.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mailop

Re: [mailop] MailChimp and TLS

2018-12-07 Thread Luis E. Muñoz via mailop
On 7 Dec 2018, at 11:14, Ken O'Driscoll via mailop wrote: It would be super helpful if any mailbox provider here could tell me what they see with MailChimp regarding TLS. I looked at a hundred random samples dating back to mid November. I saw exactly zero that used TLS inbound. The sample

[mailop] smaprl.com, mailspamprotection.com and spamshield.io

2018-12-11 Thread Luis E. Muñoz via mailop
Assistance in reaching these parties would be appreciated. Already contacted mailspamprotection.com — the issue seems related to one of their users sending us a spam complaint, and then the auto-ack (or the message where we mentioned that we nuked the abuse source) triggering the listing. F

Re: [mailop] Hey Yahoo! Mind line wrapping your DKIM?

2019-03-10 Thread Luis E. Muñoz via mailop
On 10 Mar 2019, at 12:13, Michael Peddemors wrote: DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.co.uk; s=s2048; t=1552218309; bh=g57fG3sVY8VJp5C0XX298lF8prrXAX2lkZMD2FVQd8o=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:References:From:Subject; b=QZ3oPoH9n7DnHGUK7Ebo6Iw51a7MLIXBgK4MjXJH7R5

Re: [mailop] DKIM failing at O365 due to "compauth"?

2019-03-25 Thread Luis E. Muñoz via mailop
On 25 Mar 2019, at 11:34, Dickie LaFlamme wrote: I'm really scratching my head on this one. I have a plethora of full headers but did not want to inundate that with this original post, as there's not just one sending domain / example. If anyone has experienced this, I'd love to hear about it

Re: [mailop] mail to Outlook accepted, then vanishing

2019-04-02 Thread Luis E. Muñoz via mailop
On 2 Apr 2019, at 11:36, Al Iverson wrote: I think I've just found my own example of mail to Outlook.com/Hotmail.com being accepted, then discarded, with no bounce. My own testing shows nothing in the inbox or junk folder. So, you're not alone. This used to be something of a known thing in Hot

Re: [mailop] The utility of spam folders

2019-04-19 Thread Luis E. Muñoz via mailop
On 19 Apr 2019, at 16:21, Jay Hennigan wrote: This feedback is only really available for webmail, so you don't need a separate spam folder. There's also some signaling when using IMAP. Moving email to the spam folder (or using the \Spam flag) can be considered equivalent to pressing the TiS

Re: [mailop] The utility of spam folders

2019-04-27 Thread Luis E. Muñoz via mailop
On 26 Apr 2019, at 23:16, Bill Cole wrote: Spam foldering and other flavors of mail limbo may well be the only feasible choice at Google/MS scale but most mail operators are nowhere near that scale and should not fall into the trap of mimicking service patterns that are ultimately rooted in

Re: [mailop] AOL IMAP down?

2019-05-08 Thread Luis E. Muñoz via mailop
On 7 May 2019, at 12:10, Eric Henson via mailop wrote: Hi, one of my users has a personal account, and she can't access imap.aol.com on port 993 today. Our automated testing is not seeing any consistent issues logging in to AOL's IMAP service, from a few network locations. Best regards -

Re: [mailop] DigitalOcean calling for social media s* storm? (Re: Why is it so hard to have takedown's performed..)

2019-05-10 Thread Luis E. Muñoz via mailop
On 10 May 2019, at 11:49, James Cloos via mailop wrote: >> "CW" == Chris Woods via mailop writes: > > CW> Like others I've reached the end of my tether with DO. In my case, I've > CW> seen increasing volumes of malicious / junk traffic via their IPv6 > CW> prefixes, with reports to abuse doin

Re: [mailop] Anyone on this List with Access to Amazon SES Maillogs?

2019-05-17 Thread Luis E. Muñoz via mailop
And here, though the first connect took ~6 seconds or so. ``` swaks -6 -f 'none' -t testing@relay -s rrmx.imp.ch --quit-after helo === Trying rrmx.imp.ch:25... === Connected to rrmx.imp.ch. <- 220 idefix.imp.ch ESMTP Postfix -> EHLO s4.libertad.link <- 250-idefix.imp.ch <- 250-PIPELINING <-

Re: [mailop] SpamCop and listwashing

2019-08-27 Thread Luis E. Muñoz via mailop
On 27 Aug 2019, at 16:23, Andy Smith via mailop wrote: So, where else can one go to streamline the spam reporting process? This page lists only SpamCop and Abusix: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spam_reporting As far as I can see Abusix in this context is only an IP-to-abuse-contact lookup t

Re: [mailop] Gmail - Multiple destination domains per transaction is unsupported

2019-09-25 Thread Luis E. Muñoz via mailop
On 25 Sep 2019, at 2:18, Simon Lyall via mailop wrote: Just had a bunch of people at a domain get unsubscribed from this list. Appears to be some weird Google rule (which probably made sense with they were not the MX for 30% of all active domains) I've seen similar behavior for large ISPs,

Re: [mailop] Google is refusing DMARC reports

2019-10-02 Thread Luis E. Muñoz via mailop
On 2 Oct 2019, at 9:14, Alessandro Vesely via mailop wrote: Indeed, given the way cron works, it's difficult to run jobs at UTC, specially because of daylight saving changes. Not really if you run your servers in UTC, which you really should be doing if you have assets in more than one tim

Re: [mailop] Gmail marking email from me as spam

2019-10-07 Thread Luis E. Muñoz via mailop
On 7 Oct 2019, at 13:35, Jaroslaw Rafa via mailop wrote: However, from my experience, it isn't the case. Users almost never look into their spam folder unless someone tells them to do so. They don't even realize that there might be false positives - they simply think that there can't be anyt

Re: [mailop] Erroneous Hotmail spam/junk JMR email due to recipient error, where's the operator feedback loop?

2019-10-08 Thread Luis E. Muñoz via mailop
On 8 Oct 2019, at 6:55, Benoit Panizzon via mailop wrote: 3: Try to make it more obvious in the documentation of that junk folder, that moving emails there will lead to a complaint to the senders ISP. I've always believed that "junk" is too subtle – although English is not my first language

Re: [mailop] Gmail marking email from me as spam

2019-10-10 Thread Luis E. Muñoz via mailop
On 10 Oct 2019, at 5:43, Jaroslaw Rafa via mailop wrote: So you should ensure that you *can* be contacted by pretty much everyone. Of course, it's not an invitation to send you actual spam; but distrusting some senders just because they *can* *potentially* *in your opinion* be spammers, while

Re: [mailop] Gmail marking email from me as spam

2019-10-11 Thread Luis E. Muñoz via mailop
On 11 Oct 2019, at 9:06, Chris Wedgwood via mailop wrote: It doesn't seem to be in a particularly bad neighborhood, either. if i'm guessing your IP right, my local test sees 7 "bad actors" in your /24 (2.73%) and 50 in your /16 (~0%) whilst that's not nearly as bad as many sources, it's wor

Re: [mailop] Do we need Spam folders?

2019-10-14 Thread Luis E. Muñoz via mailop
On 14 Oct 2019, at 9:29, Chris Wedgwood via mailop wrote: as things stand today, i think we do technology has gotten very good but it's not perfect; sometimes spam isn't detected, and sometimes real messages are detected as spam I would rather have the email bounce during SMTP transaction.

Re: [mailop] Do we need Spam folders?

2019-10-14 Thread Luis E. Muñoz via mailop
On 14 Oct 2019, at 11:57, Michael Wise via mailop wrote: Having the mail bounce at the edge is a VERY useful signal for any spammers trying to enhance their deliverability. It's a great signal for anybody caring for the fate of a message. This is why we cannot have nice things :-) -lem _

Re: [mailop] Do we need Spam folders?

2019-10-14 Thread Luis E. Muñoz via mailop
On 14 Oct 2019, at 13:43, Thomas Walter via mailop wrote: Why not reject those instead and have the sender deal with it? Because filter error rates and the need for the feedback signal from the recipient. -lem ___ mailop mailing list mailop@mai

Re: [mailop] Do we need Spam folders?

2019-10-14 Thread Luis E. Muñoz via mailop
On 14 Oct 2019, at 14:20, Thomas Walter via mailop wrote: Of course I don't have the experience in the last category, but I'd like to learn. Why can't you reject emails post-DATA? Is it a performance issue? Google or Bing find 935.000.000 search results in 0,60 seconds for the word "spam", b

Re: [mailop] Do we need Spam folders?

2019-10-14 Thread Luis E. Muñoz via mailop
On 14 Oct 2019, at 15:18, Thomas Walter via mailop wrote: On 14.10.19 23:59, Luis E. Muñoz via mailop wrote: This is not a pure performance issue. It's more a matter of not having the data at hand to decide whether the message is ham or spam. To do so, filters need user feedback. Yo

Re: [mailop] Do we need Spam folders?

2019-10-15 Thread Luis E. Muñoz via mailop
On 14 Oct 2019, at 23:39, Thomas Walter via mailop wrote: On 15.10.19 00:34, Chris Wedgwood via mailop wrote: Doesn't "550 Requested action not taken: We don't like you." apply after DATA? it does most severs honor this but not all (i experience this sometimes, my domain somtimes gets a l

Re: [mailop] Mailop made Hacker News

2019-10-25 Thread Luis E. Muñoz via mailop
Looking forward to the n-gate.com summary :-) And the comments on Brandon about him being helpful and respectful are well deserved. -lem On 25 Oct 2019, at 12:40, Simon Lyall via mailop wrote: Remember that "Gmail marking email from me as spam" thread a couple of weeks ago? Somebody poste

Re: [mailop] Best strategy to prune address list

2019-11-23 Thread Luis E. Muñoz via mailop
On 23 Nov 2019, at 11:05, Tom Ivar Helbekkmo via mailop wrote: > Today, I suspect that most MTAs > will refuse to service a VRFY request. > > Anyone know if that assumption is good? I would be very surprised if you were wrong. -lem ___ mailop mailin

Re: [mailop] Suggestions for VPS providers in Europe?

2019-12-02 Thread Luis E. Muñoz via mailop
On 2 Dec 2019, at 15:59, John Levine via mailop wrote: I warned a guy away from Hetzner and OVH if he wants to send mail so he reasonably asked what VPS provider in Europe is better for sending mail. Any suggestions? I'm AWS (IPv4 and IPv6) with good results. I would go with AWS for Euro

Re: [mailop] Can someone write me a prescription for a sane MTA? I'm allergic to Postfix.

2019-12-06 Thread Luis E. Muñoz via mailop
On 6 Dec 2019, at 9:17, John Levine via mailop wrote: > I'd be interested in why he's still using uucp. +1 ___ mailop mailing list mailop@mailop.org https://chilli.nosignal.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mailop

Re: [mailop] Reasons to add plain text alternative to email?

2019-12-09 Thread Luis E. Muñoz via mailop
On 9 Dec 2019, at 6:23, Ned Freed via mailop wrote: Generate the plain text alternative if you can. Absolutely. But please, try hard. But if you can't, or aren't sure you can, just send the HTML and don't generate the multipart/alternative structure. +1 Best regards -lem ___

Re: [mailop] Reasons to add plain text alternative to email?

2019-12-09 Thread Luis E. Muñoz via mailop
On 9 Dec 2019, at 7:58, Al Iverson via mailop wrote: Whenever these threads come up, a dozen or so people say "I still read email on my stone tablet and so do all my friends." But count how many friends do you have, and then divide that by the 1.5 billion active Gmail users (as of October 201

Re: [mailop] G-Suite removing LSA functionality

2019-12-16 Thread Luis E. Muñoz via mailop
On 16 Dec 2019, at 11:20, Al Iverson via mailop wrote: Question for the group -- [⋯] Are there other folks out there that will have to make code changes to comply with these changes? I will have to make code changes to more or less the same classes of tools you mentioned. Best regards -

Re: [mailop] G-Suite removing LSA functionality

2019-12-16 Thread Luis E. Muñoz via mailop
On 16 Dec 2019, at 13:30, Jaroslaw Rafa via mailop wrote: Do any Windows/Linux/MacOS email clients currently support OAuth "out of the box"? I can report that MailMate on MacOS works perfectly with OAuth. And it's also much better for email geeks. Not free, but well worth the license. Be

Re: [mailop] BT Internet postmaster contact

2020-01-05 Thread Luis E. Muñoz via mailop
On 3 Jan 2020, at 20:46, Philip Paeps via mailop wrote: I've found BT's postmaster team to be very responsive in the past. I invariably get replies from actual humans. I suppose YMMV. I've interacted twice with them in the last 24 months on behalf of clients. The interaction has been... la

Re: [mailop] Messages from small personal SMTP server being marked as junk by Google

2020-01-24 Thread Luis E. Muñoz via mailop
On 24 Jan 2020, at 3:33, Laura Atkins via mailop wrote: Using +all is actually a giant, negative reputation hit according to various folks I’ve talked to about filters. Using +all says “every IP is valid” and this was (dunno about still is but definitely was) used by spammers so they could h

Re: [mailop] [FEEDBACK] whose address, was Approach to dealing with List Washing services, industry feedback..

2020-01-27 Thread Luis E. Muñoz via mailop
On 26 Jan 2020, at 16:23, Ángel via mailop wrote: I like them as 2FA solution, too. Simple, standard, offline, vendor neutral, not vulnerable to MITM... Ahem. If the attacker manages to position themself in between your session, they get a chance at your TOTP. Same attack scenario as with

Re: [mailop] How long to retry?

2020-02-03 Thread Luis E. Muñoz via mailop
On 3 Feb 2020, at 14:04, Brandon Long via mailop wrote: One of the main reasons I don't think we should use such long retries is that it violates user expectations. Users often treat email as nearly instantaneous, because it normally is... so taking hours or days of actually failing without

Re: [mailop] How long to retry?

2020-02-03 Thread Luis E. Muñoz via mailop
On 3 Feb 2020, at 14:20, Michael Orlitzky via mailop wrote: You have problems with 100% of messages 0.0001% of the time -- it's not a steady 99. success rate, even though that's what the numbers look like if your window is five-years long. Since recently – heh, let's call it 5-6 years

Re: [mailop] How long to retry?

2020-02-04 Thread Luis E. Muñoz via mailop
On 4 Feb 2020, at 11:43, Brandon Long via mailop wrote: The problem is, user's get used to the performance they get. It's not a question of user education or worse users. If you typically deliver messages in seconds, eventually that's what they expect. Great summary! And, there are dif

Re: [mailop] Remarkable longevity of AWS-hosted spamming operation

2020-02-11 Thread Luis E. Muñoz via mailop
On 10 Feb 2020, at 20:27, Michael Rathbun via mailop wrote: The data: FWIW, I'm seeing these IPs among the 40th percentile in terms of global SMTP activity / session attempts. 3.18.213.86 54.186.253.233 54.212.82.49 The rest is not registering. Best regards -lem __

Re: [mailop] Ideas for possible content for FAQ: "Best Practices for running a mail server"

2020-02-17 Thread Luis E. Muñoz via mailop
On 17 Feb 2020, at 11:20, Hans-Martin Mosner via mailop wrote: My personal experience with SPF is that it is less helpful than harmful, at least when mail server operators use it for rejection instead of tagging. It can help reject some mails with fake sender information, but at the same time

Re: [mailop] Ideas for possible content for FAQ: "Best Practices for running a mail server"

2020-02-25 Thread Luis E. Muñoz via mailop
On 25 Feb 2020, at 3:12, Simon Lyall via mailop wrote: Thank you for all the suggestions. I've put together a couple of pages: https://www.mailop.org/faq/ https://www.mailop.org/best-practices/ as a start. What do people think needs to be added or changed? This is a TLS Checker that is PO

Re: [mailop] AT&T Block - abuse_...@abuse-att.net still valid?

2020-02-26 Thread Luis E. Muñoz via mailop
On 26 Feb 2020, at 13:53, Lyle Giese via mailop wrote: Don't know if ATT looks at this but I know they used to.  The TTL for the A record for server.divebums.com is 900 seconds.  If checking this parameter, it was recommended that this be at least 12 hrs or 43,200 seconds.  The theory was th

Re: [mailop] AT&T Block - abuse_...@abuse-att.net still valid?

2020-02-26 Thread Luis E. Muñoz via mailop
On 26 Feb 2020, at 14:18, Scott Mutter via mailop wrote: [⋯] Do any DNS resolvers actually cache data for the period stated in the TTL these days? Many do. If you're operating a recursive for any sizable user population, you want to minimize the response time. Having the response in your l

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