x27;re in the middle many of those MBPs will
>>> likely defer to a new middle-man to handle the implementation, and we're
>>> back at a single vendor.
>>>
>>> Mike
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t; likely defer to a new middle-man to handle the implementation, and we're
> back at a single vendor.
>
> Mike
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mentation, and we're back at a single vendor.
Mike
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Subject: Re: [mailop] New Validity policy for paid FBL (ARF)
Just saw
Hi Steve,
That is awesome news!
Tracey Crawford
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> Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2023 17:05:23 +0100
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> Subject: Re: [mailop] New Validity policy for paid FBL (ARF)
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Just saw this thread; I published this earlier today and we're likely going
to discuss it at M3AAWG: https://abusix.com/feedback-loops/
TLDR; Abusix is willing to take this on and provide it as a free service
from any mailbox provider that wishes to participate, but we'll do it based
on the Indep
Going from the list provided at:
https://www.isipp.com/blog/validity-fbl-charging-how-much-cost/
The only one that I really get any feedback from is Comcast, maybe
Synacor. And those are few and far between. What's going to be the
incentive to pay for these ARF reports?
Sure, other people may
I think that’s the point, mostly all of them used to allow direct setup but
don’t anymore (when universal fbl became widespread). Seznam is one of 20+.
Now that you have to pay for it maybe more vendors will start allowing
direct setup again? That’s what I’m wondering about.
I guess we will see.
On 13.09.2023 at 16:06 Scott Mutter via mailop wrote:
> I also think one thing that Validity may not be understanding with this move,
> and may lead to shooting themselves in the foot, the list of email service
> providers that Validity provides feedback for isn't exactly major players.
> We get
I also think one thing that Validity may not be understanding with this
move, and may lead to shooting themselves in the foot, the list of email
service providers that Validity provides feedback for isn't exactly major
players.
We get more feedback from Yahoo and Outlook's FBL system than we do
Va
Dnia 13.09.2023 o godz. 12:35:15 Gellner, Oliver via mailop pisze:
> Other than that, I'm with you and Bill Cole: If your infrastructure is not
> being used to send spam, newsletters or other marketing messages, feedback
> loops provide no benefit. 100% of all reports are going to be false
> positi
On 12.09.2023 at 22:30 Mark Fletcher via mailop wrote:
> Thank you for writing this up, it's been confusing. We only receive
> individual reports and not the aggregated data (or if we do it's not sent to
> us). We received a slightly different email from Validity. It includes the
> 'login metho
On Tue, 12 Sep 2023, at 00:43, Jarland Donnell via mailop wrote:
> Fastmail was the only one on the feedback loop who reported every single
> email to the feedback loop that they themselves filtered to user's spam
> folders, and this feature was on by default.
Fastmail has never done this. The d
On 2023-09-11 at 07:24:55 UTC-0400 (Mon, 11 Sep 2023 13:24:55 +0200)
Support 3Hound via mailop
is rumored to have said:
Dear list,
I would like to understand what the community think about the new
Validity universal feedback loop service that is switching to a paid
service starting 21 Septemb
I thought Validity was making the free FBL more like Google's Postmaster
Tools FBL. Which, I've never gotten one iota of anything relevant in
Google's FBL system.
If I had to venture a guess, I'd say that this is going to be the future of
FBLs. I think providers want to be able to block certain
I do agree with your thoughts. A good platform gives the users the control
to do what they want with FBLs via automation (doesn’t force to unsub
globally but yes some senders prefer do that).
I think the point though, is whether or not Validity having control over
(or any single entity) is good f
I should clarify I meant it’s irrelevant as far as the topic of the thread
is concerned (what peoples thoughts are on this new pay to play situation
with FBL).
I’m curious what others thoughts are on that specific subject (the thread
topic).
On Mon, Sep 11, 2023 at 3:12 PM Scott Mutter via mailo
How an FBL is supposed to be used versus how an FBL is used is always a
topic for discussion that can be applied to anything.
How many of us expect email to be delivered instantly? But where is it
defined that email has to be delivered the second the sender clicks that
send button? But we all ge
I'll chime in.
For me the thing that doesn't sit well for me is that the inbox
providers have adopted the universal fbl and force you to use that (at
least from the available info on their postmaster sites) rather than
being able to set up directly with them like you used to be able to.
Whether F
I agree with you Neil,
let me specify it better even if it's a bit off topic.
The FBL SHOULD NOT be used like that but this is how users act based on
the feedback we collected from end users when we tried to understand why
we was receiving so much FBL on double-optin collected lists and
transac
It's not at all unusual for FBL to be used to block recipients.
Transactional email providers quite often use feedback loop reports to
add recipients to their customer's suppression list. The reason you
specifically find it frustrating is because of this:
Most of the providers on the feedba
On Mon, 11 Sep 2023, at 21:24, Support 3Hound via mailop wrote:
> During years the FBL became a kind of "safe feature" for users that prefer to
> click "junk" or "spam" and be sure they will not receive anymore.
> […]
> FBL generates also a good data flow for the mailbox provider that may filter
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