Re: [mailop] fastmail and sender score snafu

2023-10-08 Thread Robert Mueller via mailop
> I see that current setup might be useful in case some user changes MX > before the domain is activated at Fastmail, in which case giving 4xx > could make sense. But it is not right to report such re-tries to sender > score as attempts to deliver to non-existing users. Yes, this is why we 4xx

[mailop] Anyone from chello.nl here?

2017-03-06 Thread Robert Mueller
We're seeing a strange rejection message with emails containing a particular link. Can someone please contact me off list. Thanks -- Rob Mueller r...@fastmail.fm ___ mailop mailing list mailop@mailop.org https://chilli.nosignal.org/cgi-bin/mailman/li

Re: [mailop] Trying to work out cause of "Certificate rejected over TLS. (unknown protocol)" error

2017-01-09 Thread Robert Mueller
> I'm thinking that perhaps your cert is using SHA-(256|512) and > something better than 3DES for HMAC, and therefore the remote servers > are unable to work with the certificate as they don't have access to > the required crypto. I sincerely hope this is not the case, but > perhaps you can test th

Re: [mailop] Trying to work out cause of "Certificate rejected over TLS. (unknown protocol)" error

2017-01-09 Thread Robert Mueller
> You may want to use this tool on your mail server(so it picks up the > same openssl version) to check what cyphers the mil server accepts: > https://testssl.sh/ I'm not sure how this would help. The problem occurs with them trying to send mail to us. I know what ciphers we offer, what I don't

[mailop] Symantec blocking list issue

2017-01-09 Thread Robert Mueller
Just wondering if there's a Symantec contact here or someone else that might know what's happening here. A number of our users are reporting that KPN (a Netherlands ISP) are rejecting our emails. An example in our logs a few minutes ago. 2017-01-09T07:22:13.671964-05:00 gateway1 postfix-forward/s

Re: [mailop] Trying to work out cause of "Certificate rejected over TLS. (unknown protocol)" error

2017-01-09 Thread Robert Mueller
> We've suddenly had a couple of reports from users about people sending > to them (e.g. sending from a remote service to our servers) failing and > bouncing with the error message: > > Certificate rejected over TLS. (unknown protocol) Just to update with more information. So it turns out we'd

[mailop] Trying to work out cause of "Certificate rejected over TLS. (unknown protocol)" error

2017-01-05 Thread Robert Mueller
We've suddenly had a couple of reports from users about people sending to them (e.g. sending from a remote service to our servers) failing and bouncing with the error message: Certificate rejected over TLS. (unknown protocol) There's not much more in the error message, I haven't managed to get ho

Re: [mailop] Storing 821 envelope recipients in an 822.Header?

2016-12-06 Thread Robert Mueller
> I know there's no standard header for storing the envelope recipients for > a message (for good reason, especially when it comes to Bccs) but there > are times when it's useful. > > Does anyone know of a system that does that? I'm stashing them in > "X-Rcpt-To" at the moment, for lack of anythin

[mailop] Forwarding problem to cox.net, need a contact

2016-09-06 Thread Robert Mueller
Hi Is there anyone from cox.net on this list? Can you please contact me off list, we're having a problem with email forward to @cox.net accounts. Thanks -- Rob Mueller r...@fastmail.fm ___ mailop mailing list mailop@mailop.org https://chilli.nosignal

Re: [mailop] Dealing with a DKIM replay attack

2016-08-15 Thread Robert Mueller
> We're definitely seeing dkim replay attacks and of course doing our > best to catch them. Out of curiosity, one thing I thought might be a strong sign of a replay attack is lots of emails with the same b= value in the DKIM-Signature. Obviously mass mailings might trigger this as well, but I'm w

Re: [mailop] Dealing with a DKIM replay attack and yahoo's use of DKIM domains for FBL reports

2016-08-12 Thread Robert Mueller
> Laura Atkins has some pretty cool ideas here: > https://wordtothewise.com/2014/05/dkim-injected-headers/ > I'd be interested to see if including those headers twice in the > signature works, so an altered or second instance of them would > fail DKIM. They didn't alter any of the headers or add

Re: [mailop] Dealing with a DKIM replay attack and yahoo's use of DKIM domains for FBL reports

2016-08-12 Thread Robert Mueller
> 1. Add timestamp (t=) to DKIM-Signature. It limits replay attacks in > time. Assuming the receiving side looks at it. But you probably mean the x= tag anyway to set the expiry time, the RFC explicitly says though: INFORMATIVE NOTE: The "x=" tag is not intended as an anti-

Re: [mailop] Dealing with a DKIM replay attack and yahoo's use of DKIM domains for FBL reports

2016-08-11 Thread Robert Mueller
> Use a different selector for each account holder, and then revoke > selectors that are abused. That's an interesting idea, but I'm not sure it'll be a big help. The reality is that the timeline between signup a new account, send one email, copy it and mass send via AWS instance could all be do

[mailop] Dealing with a DKIM replay attack and yahoo's use of DKIM domains for FBL reports

2016-08-11 Thread Robert Mueller
Hi mailop So it appears at the moment that we're experiencing a DKIM replay attack against us. Basically some people are signing up a trial FastMail account, sending a couple of emails to a gmail account (to get them DKIM signed by us), and then copying the entire content of the email and sending

Re: [mailop] signup form abuse

2016-05-24 Thread Robert Mueller
> I wonder what the point is. How does the bad guy monetize it, or is it a > coordinated attack against a specific victim? What other nefarious > issues? Making the address useless or burying some other mail in the > midst of the junk would seem to be a possibility. > > If an attack against a

Re: [mailop] outlook.com bouncing emails with ISO-8859-10 charsets?

2016-04-11 Thread Robert Mueller
> just as an fyi, Gmail switched to sending out utf-8 (for messages we > compose) by default in 2014 and removed the feature that allowed users > to override this a year ago.  Downgrading from utf-8 to some charset > that handles a much smaller subset of characters seems mostly > unnecessary at t

[mailop] outlook.com bouncing emails with ISO-8859-10 charsets?

2016-04-11 Thread Robert Mueller
Reported by one of our users... --- Diagnostic information for administrators: Generating server: AM4PR0601MB1986.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com ville.kiiv...@ort.fi Remote Server returned '550 5.6.0 CAT.InvalidContent.Exception: InvalidCharsetException, Character set name (ISO-8859-10) is invalid or

Re: [mailop] Ex-post-facto spam complaints, a possible UI problem / other mitigation

2015-09-24 Thread Robert Mueller
> Back when I was running the mailfilters for a major state government > agency, I regularly saw users reporting as spam things like: > * Turnpike billing and account balance notices; > * Time-to-renew notices for all manner of different licences and > registrations: MDs and DOs, dentists

Re: [mailop] Delivery to btinternet.com / cpcloud.co.uk

2015-09-10 Thread Robert Mueller
>> Ok, just to confirm, does this mean you don't recommend or recognise >> SRS rewritten MAIL FROM addresses as special in any way? > > Does anyone understand SRS?  I thought it was pretty much a dead end. IMHO everything about SPF and SRS borders on somewhere between pointless and craziness. Is

Re: [mailop] Delivery to btinternet.com / cpcloud.co.uk

2015-09-09 Thread Robert Mueller
> Segregating it onto its own IP which is clearly named - like > forwarder.fastmail.fm - would be a very good idea. FYI, we already do this. I think Bron got a bit sidetracked into this, because the delays were mostly our out "outgoing mail" IPs, not on our "forwarded mail" IPs. -- Rob Mueller

Re: [mailop] Delivery to btinternet.com / cpcloud.co.uk

2015-09-09 Thread Robert Mueller
> We don't recommend doing that: > > https://support.google.com/mail/answer/175365 > > If you are forwarding mail, you'll inevitably forward spam, and you > don't want your reputation to take a hit on that. > > Or, damned if you do, damned if you don't. Ok, just to confirm, does this mean you don

Re: [mailop] Apple, iPhone setup, attempts SSL on port 587

2015-07-30 Thread Robert Mueller
> A client with a new iPhone (not sure what model), attempts to setup > imap/smtp using starttls. As part of the setup, the iPhone apparently > probes the smtp server on port 587 with an SSL handshake: > > Jul 29 21:31:34 ns1 sendmail[20641]: t6U4VYQL020641: rejecting commands > from 97-93-80-251.

[mailop] Delays to protection.outlook.com servers?

2015-06-29 Thread Robert Mueller
Anyone else seeing delayed email to protection.outlook.com servers? 2015-06-29T19:55:41.804899-04:00 gateway1 postfix-out/smtp[210066]: A30C222D2C: host protection.outlook.com[207.46.163.170] said: 451 4.7.550 Server busy. Please try again later. (AS22) (in reply to RCPT TO command) 2015-06-2

[mailop] Delivery delays to AOL

2015-06-01 Thread Robert Mueller
We're seeing lots of deferred emails to AOL in the last couple of hours. host mailin-03.mx.aol.com[152.163.0.99] refused to talk to me: 421 mtaig-aan02.mx.aol.com Service unavailable - try again later) Anyone else seeing this? -- Rob Mueller r...@fastmail.fm ___

Re: [mailop] Anyone from mailchimp here?

2015-05-14 Thread Robert Mueller
On Fri, 15 May 2015, at 15:35, Anne P. Mitchell, Esq. wrote: > Robert, may I forward this to our Mailchimp contact? Sure. -- Rob Mueller r...@fastmail.fm ___ mailop mailing list mailop@mailop.org http://chilli.nosignal.org/mailman/listinfo/mailop

[mailop] Anyone from mailchimp here?

2015-05-14 Thread Robert Mueller
Is anyone from mailchimp on this list? I've got some examples of issues with your sending IPs that I'd like to discuss. Please contact me off list. Thanks -- Rob Mueller r...@fastmail.fm ___ mailop mailing list mailop@mailop.org http://chilli.nosign