Re: [mailop] One click unsubscribe in mailing list messages

2024-02-24 Thread Slavko via mailop
Dňa 25. februára 2024 3:10:51 UTC používateľ Philip Paeps via mailop napísal: >Not being able to present information in the Subject: or body clearly isn't >ideal, but it's better than breaking DKIM. List-* headers have been in >widespread use for over twenty years. The bad part is, that eg.

Re: [mailop] One click unsubscribe in mailing list messages

2024-02-24 Thread Hans-Martin Mosner via mailop
Am 25.02.24 um 04:10 schrieb Philip Paeps via mailop: It's actually encouraging to see the web-MUAs driving improvement in this space.  Parsing List-Unsubscribe: to present a button feels like a very obvious thing to do.  It's surprising how few traditional MUAs have ever done that. Yes. I'm

Re: [mailop] One click unsubscribe in mailing list messages

2024-02-24 Thread Dave Crocker via mailop
On 2/24/2024 5:25 PM, Philip Paeps via mailop wrote: On the whole, I think not meddling with the body (and not breaking DKIM) provides an improved mailing list experience.  We don't have to rewrite the From: header, and "reply" works the way the poster intends.  Neither the mailing list softwa

Re: [mailop] One click unsubscribe in mailing list messages

2024-02-24 Thread Philip Paeps via mailop
On 2024-02-25 09:48:23 (+0700), Dave Crocker wrote: On 2/24/2024 5:25 PM, Philip Paeps via mailop wrote: On the whole, I think not meddling with the body (and not breaking DKIM) provides an improved mailing list experience.  We don't have to rewrite the From: header, and "reply" works the way t

Re: [mailop] One click unsubscribe in mailing list messages

2024-02-24 Thread Philip Paeps via mailop
On 2024-02-24 04:39:46 (+0700), Mark Fletcher via mailop wrote: I run an email groups hosting service. For many years now, each group message has included a one click unsubscribe link in the message footer. We also include appropriate List-Unsubscribe-Post: List-Unsubscribe=One-Click headers.

Re: [mailop] One click unsubscribe in mailing list messages

2024-02-24 Thread Jaroslaw Rafa via mailop
Dnia 24.02.2024 o godz. 13:16:45 Anne P. Mitchell, Esq. via mailop pisze: > > pointing out that Federal law mandates a one-step method; completely Not everybody is located in the USA, and "federal" law has no meaning to those who don't. > two-step method, even though a one-step is implicit in th

Re: [mailop] One click unsubscribe in mailing list messages

2024-02-24 Thread Eric Tykwinski via mailop
IMHO, and I’m not a lawyer like Anne, but I think in common language what she is trying to explain. Like in GDPR which makes it so you can decline cookie data, that link is just one cookie, and they give us the option to decline other cookies but necessary or leave the site all together. Is thi

Re: [mailop] One click unsubscribe in mailing list messages

2024-02-24 Thread Anne P. Mitchell, Esq. via mailop
> On Feb 24, 2024, at 12:41 PM, Andrew C Aitchison > wrote: > > Do you read "visiting a single Internet Web page" > as excluding interaction with that page ? > > If so, how do I provide my opt-out preferences by ... > "visiting a single Internet Web page" ? A strict construction of that lang

Re: [mailop] One click unsubscribe in mailing list messages

2024-02-24 Thread Anne P. Mitchell, Esq. via mailop
> > You're confusing unrelated things. The one-click unsubscribe is > literally one click, no intermediate web page or anything returned to > the user. It's intended for mail systems that do the unsub on the > user's behalf. The most familiar is Gmail, where you can click the > junk button, and

Re: [mailop] One click unsubscribe in mailing list messages

2024-02-24 Thread Andrew C Aitchison via mailop
On Sat, 24 Feb 2024, Anne P. Mitchell, Esq. via mailop wrote: Not to mention that Federal law requires a one-step unsubscribe method. As I often seem to get challenged on this, here is the text of the law: "§ 316.5 Prohibition on charging a fee or imposing other requirements on recipients who

Re: [mailop] One click unsubscribe in mailing list messages

2024-02-24 Thread John Levine via mailop
It appears that Marco Moock via mailop said: >Am Fri, 23 Feb 2024 13:39:46 -0800 >schrieb Mark Fletcher via mailop : > >> My question to you all is, do you think that the >> List-Unsubscribe=One-Click header is supported well enough these days >> such that I can replace the one-click unsub link in

Re: [mailop] One click unsubscribe in mailing list messages

2024-02-24 Thread John Levine via mailop
It appears that Anne P. Mitchell, Esq. via mailop said: > > >> On Feb 23, 2024, at 4:59 PM, John Levine via mailop >> wrote: >> >> 'd leave the links in the bodies for now. A lot of mail programs give >> you a way to use the ones in the header, but some major ones like >> Outlook still don't. >

Re: [mailop] One click unsubscribe in mailing list messages

2024-02-24 Thread Anne P. Mitchell, Esq. via mailop
> On Feb 23, 2024, at 4:59 PM, John Levine via mailop wrote: > > 'd leave the links in the bodies for now. A lot of mail programs give > you a way to use the ones in the header, but some major ones like > Outlook still don't. Not to mention that Federal law requires a one-step unsubscribe meth