Re: [MlMt] Still confused about rules

2025-04-09 Thread Antonio Leding
I tested this and it works fine. I think you may be running into the “when the Rules are applied” part of this… Remember, the rule is only applied when the message is delivered into the SMOX, not when you create the SMBOX. In my scenario, I setup everything as you did but disabled the delete

Re: [MlMt] MailMate passed the CASA tier 2 security assessment (hurrah?)

2025-04-09 Thread Benny Kjær Nielsen
On 9 Apr 2025, at 16:47, Henry Seiden wrote: > Given the payment requirements you outlined, I would feel OK deleting use of > the one remaining Google account in MM, rather than pay additional for its > use. My 2¢. I don't expect you to have to do that. An app specific password works for me an

Re: [MlMt] MailMate passed the CASA tier 2 security assessment (hurrah?)

2025-04-09 Thread Benny Kjær Nielsen
On 9 Apr 2025, at 19:12, Pete Resnick via mailmate wrote: > On 9 Apr 2025, at 9:35, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote: > >> They should only allow cloud-to-cloud services which are (ironically) often >> much harder to implement in a safe way (which is really why CASA exists). > > Can you (or maybe Steve)

Re: [MlMt] MailMate passed the CASA tier 2 security assessment (hurrah?)

2025-04-09 Thread Benny Kjær Nielsen
On 9 Apr 2025, at 17:13, Pierre Igot wrote: > First of all, I want to commend Benny on his efforts to deal with this and be > as transparent as possible with us users. It cannot be easy. The mailing list is perhaps also my outlet for the frustrations involved ;) > For what it’s worth, I current

Re: [MlMt] MailMate passed the CASA tier 2 security assessment (hurrah?)

2025-04-09 Thread Pierre Igot
First of all, I want to commend Benny on his efforts to deal with this and be as transparent as possible with us users. It cannot be easy. For what it’s worth, I currently have six accounts in MailMate, including one Fastmail account, one Apple iCloud account and one FREE Gmail account for pers

Re: [MlMt] MailMate passed the CASA tier 2 security assessment (hurrah?)

2025-04-09 Thread Pete Resnick via mailmate
On 9 Apr 2025, at 9:35, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote: They should only allow cloud-to-cloud services which are (ironically) often much harder to implement in a safe way (which is really why CASA exists). Can you (or maybe Steve) explain that a bit more? I believe it, but I don't have the securit

Re: [MlMt] MailMate passed the CASA tier 2 security assessment (hurrah?)

2025-04-09 Thread Alan Ralph
Hi Benny, I've not used Gmail in a **long** time (thank goodness), but I occasionally get glimpses into the current state of Google's 'maintenance' of that part of their empire when troubleshooting my mother's email. (She's just fine with Apple's Mail app for now.) If I remember correctly, sh

Re: [MlMt] MailMate passed the CASA tier 2 security assessment (hurrah?)

2025-04-09 Thread Pierre Igot
On 9 Apr 2025, at 12:33, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote: > On 9 Apr 2025, at 17:13, Pierre Igot wrote: > >> First of all, I want to commend Benny on his efforts to deal with this and >> be as transparent as possible with us users. It cannot be easy. > > The mailing list is perhaps also my outlet for th

Re: [MlMt] MailMate passed the CASA tier 2 security assessment (hurrah?)

2025-04-09 Thread Steven M. Bellovin
On 9 Apr 2025, at 11:47, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote: > On 9 Apr 2025, at 17:18, Alan Ralph wrote: > >> While I kinda-sorta understand why OAuth _might_ be a good thing, from what >> you've written it sounds like Google is using it primarily for their >> benefit. It _would_ be mighty convenient if

Re: [MlMt] MailMate passed the CASA tier 2 security assessment (hurrah?)

2025-04-09 Thread Benny Kjær Nielsen
On 9 Apr 2025, at 17:18, Alan Ralph wrote: While I kinda-sorta understand why OAuth _might_ be a good thing, from what you've written it sounds like Google is using it primarily for their benefit. It _would_ be mighty convenient if fewer people were using third-party apps to access their Gmail

Re: [MlMt] MailMate passed the CASA tier 2 security assessment (hurrah?)

2025-04-09 Thread Henry Seiden
Benny, SFAIK, my Google account is non-Workspace (I.E., free). Currently use the OAUTH2 settings in MM. It is working. As are Outlook/Live, Yahoo! Accounts both using OAUTH2. However my settings for Yahoo SMTP does not use OAUTH2 for some reason that I don’t know and most of the sends from th

Re: [MlMt] MailMate passed the CASA tier 2 security assessment (hurrah?)

2025-04-09 Thread Henry Seiden
Benny, That’s good news. I prefer OAUTH2 vs App-specific PW, but even may use it earlier, but certainly later if OAUTH is rejected as you indicate is Google’s direction. Apple setup remains fine. The other services using OAUTH2 - Yahoo!, Windows Live/Outlook - (haven’t yet) announced anythin

Re: [MlMt] Another question about rules

2025-04-09 Thread Benny Kjær Nielsen
On 9 Apr 2025, at 16:25, Henry Seiden wrote: > I can click on a complete Rule or an Action and copy/paste the data. My > version is the latest (v6243) but I believe several earlier versions have > similar capabilities. No, this only works for copy/pasting entire rules. I think the other users w

Re: [MlMt] Gmail Oath

2025-04-09 Thread Benny Kjær Nielsen
On 9 Apr 2025, at 16:34, Lisa Sieverts wrote: >> Simple solution (OAuth-based): Google Workspace (aka G Suite aka Google >> Apps) users should be able to have the admin of the account explicitly allow >> MailMate. This should mean that OAuth still works for the account. > > This solution should

Re: [MlMt] MailMate passed the CASA tier 2 security assessment (hurrah?)

2025-04-09 Thread Benny Kjær Nielsen
On 9 Apr 2025, at 16:13, Steven M. Bellovin wrote: > Depressing, but thanks. One pain point: those of us who work for large > organizations that have outsourced email to Google. Trying to get the admins > of a large organization to approve something non-standard is, umm, painful… Understandable

Re: [MlMt] Another question about rules

2025-04-09 Thread Henry Seiden
I can click on a complete Rule or an Action and copy/paste the data. My version is the latest (v6243) but I believe several earlier versions have similar capabilities. Benny may show where that was implemented in his Release Notes if you want to research it there. Respectfully, Henry Seiden

Re: [MlMt] MailMate passed the CASA tier 2 security assessment (hurrah?)

2025-04-09 Thread Steven M. Bellovin
Depressing, but thanks. One pain point: those of us who work for large organizations that have outsourced email to Google. Trying to get the admins of a large organization to approve something non-standard is, umm, painful… On 9 Apr 2025, at 9:04, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote: > **Note:** This emai

Re: [MlMt] Another question about rules

2025-04-09 Thread Randall Gellens
On 7 Apr 2025, at 6:01, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote: On 16 Mar 2025, at 15:44, Bill Cole wrote: On 2025-03-15 at 22:48:54 UTC-0400 (Sat, 15 Mar 2025 21:48:54 -0500) Randy Abbott is rumored to have said: Is there a way to import/export a rule from one mailbox to another? Thank you! Not really

Re: [MlMt] Happy 15th Birthday, MailMate!

2025-04-09 Thread Benny Kjær Nielsen
On 15 Mar 2025, at 23:33, Glenn Parker via mailmate wrote: Judging purely by the MailMate forum archives, MailMate will be hitting its 15th birthday soon (if it hasn’t already). The first message in the archive is dated Wed Mar 17 00:12:16 UTC 2010, and it refers to a beta release, so the firs

Re: [MlMt] MailMate passed the CASA tier 2 security assessment (hurrah?)

2025-04-09 Thread Benny Kjær Nielsen
**Note:** This email is important for all Gmail users. You should read (the last part of) it before May 7, 2025. --- Hi MailMate users, as some of you might remember, MailMate went through a CASA tier 2 assessment last year in order to be able to continue to use OAuth authentication with Gma

Re: [MlMt] Still confused about rules

2025-04-09 Thread Henry Seiden
Trying again since the size exceeds the board’s limit of 65KB. [See screenshot link](https://drive.google.com/file/d/162YU6ZGLCwRZ00KPkHcnWjXP3l3PgfXH/view?usp=sharing). It’s a default setting that can be unchecked. Rules Actions button (with an icon that looks like an email), on the top right

Re: [MlMt] Still confused about rules

2025-04-09 Thread Henry Seiden
Sending screenshot, attached. If you can’t read it, will send a link to a larger version. Respectfully, Henry Seiden - - Techworks Pro Co. E: infotechworksprocom W: http://techworkspro.com On 8 Apr 2025, at 23:50, Randy Abbott wrote: * Another possibility, there is a default in the action set

Re: [MlMt] Proton Email - Duplicate email and Impossible to delete

2025-04-09 Thread Oli Sturm via mailmate
Hi, I apologize if this is not useful, or too late. I use ProtonMail with the Bridge (version 3.18.0). I haven’t noticed any “real” issues with it, though there is some strange behavior with the Trash folder: it displays around 600 messages which are not in fact in the Trash. Note: this is not