On 9 Apr 2025, at 17:13, Pierre Igot wrote:

> First of all, I want to commend Benny on his efforts to deal with this and be 
> as transparent as possible with us users. It cannot be easy.

The mailing list is perhaps also my outlet for the frustrations involved ;)

> For what it’s worth, I currently have six accounts in MailMate, including one 
> Fastmail account, one Apple iCloud account and one FREE Gmail account for 
> personal use. (The other three accounts are part of a hosting service that I 
> have for my web own domains.) I don’t mind having to deal with app-specific 
> passwords, even if it’s a bit awkward, as long as the process is well 
> documented somewhere.

Just for the record, MailMate now supports OAuth for Fastmail as well.

> For my main job, I also have two Exchange accounts and one Google Workspace 
> account. My experience with systems admins in large organizations is that 
> they’ll leave you alone as long as you find something that works for you that 
> doesn’t trigger any alarm bells on their systems, which is not always easy. 
> But there’s absolutely no point in trying to talk them into making any kind 
> of an exception for you (and it’s definitely NOT a good idea to even try to 
> “tell them that they were not doing their jobs properly”, as Benny suggested 
> elsewhere — systems admins think they are gods and nobody is to ever question 
> their rules and decisions).

That last part is probably very good advice.

> In other words, I do have one Google Workspace account that I need to access 
> regularly, but I don’t need to access it via MailMate, which I only use for 
> my free personal Gmail account.

I'm glad there are other ways to “solve” problems with Gmail authentication, 
but my main concern is that I need to be able to provide a solution to any 
Gmail users who would like to continue using MailMate. And I do think those 
solutions exist.

-- 
Benny
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