any software recently that could have affected Safari?
> Several people I know have downloaded Mac Keeper and had endless trouble with
> unwanted popup windows and such in Safari.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Anne
>
>
>
>> On 15 Apr 2016, at 19:35, Christina C. wrote:
&g
Hi all,
I have a Mac and it has an SD card slot. I put the micro SD card inside the
adapter that came with it to make the micro card standard size. I put the
memory card in the slot and I get a message that says something like the card
you inserted cannot be read by this computer. I am then giv
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>>
>>
>>
>>> On Apr 18, 2016, at 1:53 PM, Christina C. wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> I have a Mac and it has an SD card slot. I put the micro SD card inside the
>>> ada
arging though.
>>>>
>>>> I have a very old card reader with a micro slot that I’m considering
>>>> trying but these things are so fragile I don’t want to break one of the
>>>> little widgets used to lock the card.
>>>> Jenine Stanley
>>>&g
Apr 18, 2016, at 12:53 PM, Gary wrote:
>
> I got the same alert message you did.
> Gary
>
>> On Apr 18, 2016, at 1:41 PM, Christina C. wrote:
>>
>> Gary, Did your mac recognize that you put a card in and could not read it,
>> or did it not even respond
your Mac?
> if so, did you get the same alert message?
> Gary
>
>> On Apr 18, 2016, at 1:57 PM, Christina C. wrote:
>>
>> bummer, because I tried it with my stream and I just got the same alert. :(
>> Darnit. I have a 32 GB that I have been using for years, I
sited
> in the past. What if it were true?
>
> On 4/18/2016 10:53 AM, Christina C. wrote:
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I have a Mac and it has an SD card slot. I put the micro SD card inside the
>> adapter that came with it to make the micro card standard size. I put the
>
Ok, I will try looking at it again now that I have a little bit of info from
you all. :) The SD C\card is not even showing up in Finder just as FYI. :)
The max the stream claims to handle is 64 GB. That is what size my card has and
the stream is having no problems with the card and telling me m
> Sabahattin,
I think you are onto something. I did not even realize XC existed. So, It’s
highly possible that I purchased an incompatible card. I don’t even know if the
stream supports the SD XC cards. Since I didn’t realize there was a such thing
as XC I must have heard what I wanted when I p
OK, I went and looked at Humanware’s documentation on the stream second
generation and the stream only supports up to 32 GB. That is so weird that I
remember it being 64. Did they downgrade that or something. The reason I
remember is because I have a 32 GB and I remember reading 64 and that I c
Thanks to all and to Sabahattin. The below instructions worked. So the problem
that I was having is that under the disk Utility I had the wrong disk selected
and that’s why the GB didn’t match my card. Thank goodness for the help here
and that I did not accidentally try to format the hard drive
What accessible twitter app do you use for Mac? Also do any Mac apps support
adding and reading alt text to images?
Thanks,
Christina
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>> On Apr 25, 2016, at 6:01 PM, Christina C. wrote:
>>
>> What
Hi,
1. If I tap the timeline options button, I get a choice of Ninja Mode and
media timeline. what do those do?
2. If a tweet with a picture has image descriptions, is there a way to know or
hear them when flicking through my timeline? So far, I only catch an image
description if I open the
I was frustrated that I could only get VO to read image descriptions if I
opened the tweet and flicked to the image. Anyways, I went to settings, look
and feel and changed in line images from disabled to thumbnail. Now it appears
so far that images with alt text are being read in my timeline. I
016, at 6:47 PM, Mary Otten wrote:
>
> What is it doing with images that don't have alt text? Is it acting any
> different like saying image for instance?
> Mary
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Apr 26, 2016, at 5:26 PM, Christina C. wrote:
>>
>>
but so far so good. :)
Christina
> On Apr 26, 2016, at 6:47 PM, Mary Otten wrote:
>
> What is it doing with images that don't have alt text? Is it acting any
> different like saying image for instance?
> Mary
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Apr 26,
Hello all,
How do you find out if a movie rental or purchase will contain
descriptive/audible narration. we just rented The scorch trials from the apple
TV and were surprised that the rental contained audible narration. I would
definitely rent or purchase certain movies if I knew they had audib
not watch the movie on Netflix.
>> Thank U
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On Jan 1, 2016, at 3:03 PM, Vaughn Brown wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> Netflex should be able to offer footnotes on the audio description.
>&
Hello,
Can I get some suggestions for digital recorders that are blind friendly and
mac compatible with voice Over. I find that I need to record things since I
can’t write them down. I want to be able to quickly record a note. I find using
my iPhone inconvenient cuz I don’t tend to carry it aro
Bottom line for me is that I trust apple. I have for years. They say if you are
an apple fan to never get too attached to anything because apple likes to
change things up. :) No company is perfect so I don’t expect perfection but I
do trust that if apple makes a change it will all be just fine.
Alex,
I don’t have the link handy but somewhere on apple’s website they have a chart
comparing the express, extreme, and time capsule. We are actually wanting to
update our almost 4 year old time capsule and so we are in the market for a
router and I find this conversation very interesting.
On
Hmm, I’m not convinced that making the thinnest iPhone ever is their priority.
The newest iPhone is a tad thicker than the previous year and I personally
think that a better battery should be the priority over a thinner phone. That’s
just me though. I believe their are other waterproof phones on
I finally purchased the blind square app this weekend since I got an iTunes
gift card as a gift. :) I don’t understand what the four square is. I know I
don’t have to sign up to use blind square. Do any of you find it helpful to
sign up for four square? Are the locations in four square user su
Hello,
Can anyone suggest a good keyboard for my Mac with a num pad? Wired or wireless
is fine, I prefer budget friendly but I am open to ideas as long as it is easy
to set up as a blind person and works well with all the voice Over key
combinations. It also does not have to be apple brand. I
Hello,
On my mac I used to find the notes app to be just fine for quickly jotting down
notes, especially from phone calls. Now when I use it I constantly hear voice
Over saying “body, body, body” and I find this extremely annoying. This is very
frustrating when I am navigating through notes to
I cannot get Vo, shift, FN, left arrow to take me to the beginning of the table
in mail. This issue started with El Capitan. Any ideas, Did the key
combinations change? I do not have quick nav on.
Thanks,
Christina
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>> Am 01.03.2016 um 17:55 schrieb Christina C. :
>>
>> I cannot get Vo, shift, FN, left arrow to take me to the beginning of the
>> table in mail. This issue started with El Capitan. Any ideas, Did the key
t; On Mar 1, 2016, at 11:55 AM, Christina C. wrote:
>>
>> I cannot get Vo, shift, FN, left arrow to take me to the beginning of the
>> table in mail. This issue started with El Capitan. Any ideas, Did the key
>> combinations change? I do not have quick nav on.
>
>
>>
>>> Am 02.03.2016 um 00:02 schrieb Alex Hall :
>>>
>>> Are you interacting with the table? As far as I know, you have to NOT be
>>> interacting for that command to work.
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
Alex, that did not work. Thanks though because I never knew about that
verbosity command. I still learned something new. :)
> On Mar 1, 2016, at 4:04 PM, Alex Hall wrote:
>
> I'm not at my Mac to try this, but have you adjusted your verbosity? Hit
> vo-v, right or left arrow to Verbosity, and
Thanks! Option, command, up or down arrow works for me as well. It takes me to
the very top row of the column voice Over is in. So if I am in the subject
field, it will take me all the way to the top or bottom row of the subject
column, which is quite handy. VO,FN, plus left or right arrow also
Hello all,
Where do I get the info about which Macs can upgrade to El Capitan? Also, how
do I find out what model of computer I have. Will the Mac App store
automatically let me know if I can upgrade or not by prompting me to upgrade or
does the App store automatically prompt me to upgrade my c
Ok, I am behind I guess. I rarely used iPhoto on the Mac since I can’t see the
photos. Anyways, occasionally I do have family photos or videos to organize.
My family members take the pics. Anyways, I opened iPhoto and I got a message
that my photos were migrated to Photos. So, is iPhoto obsolet
Oh my gosh! I was having the exact same problem. I could not figure out what
was going on. I tried VO plus the equal sign and all I got was a bonk sound
but suddenly I could access a table that I could not before.
Can you please explain what this vo plus equal sign command is for. I don’t
unde
Did you try an actual mouse click? Sometimes when I can’t get something to
download from Safari, I try an actual mouse click, where the mouse pointer
actually clicks and it will work for me. I have not visited this website though
to test it.
Good Luck,
Christina
> On Sep 22, 2015, at 11:32 AM,
t less often than you do, so I can't give much detail,
>> sorry.
>>> On Sep 19, 2015, at 14:42, Christina C. wrote:
>>>
>>> Ok, I am behind I guess. I rarely used iPhoto on the Mac since I can’t see
>>> the photos. Anyways, occasionally I do have family
i did.
> No luck.
> /A
>> 23 sep. 2015 kl. 00:31 skrev Christina C. > <mailto:blindmaclo...@gmail.com>>:
>>
>> Did you try an actual mouse click? Sometimes when I can’t get something to
>> download from Safari, I try an actual mouse click, where the mouse
Thanks that all makes sense. Strangely I am still having lots of trouble with
tables. It is hit and miss. One thing I figured out to help a little bit is to
use the down arrow to get into the table. Not a VO down arrow but just the down
arrow with quick nav turned off.
Christina
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finitely has helped, but I, too, am having a serious hit
> and miss issue which I have absolutely never experienced before. Of course,
> given that fact, it seems that everywhere I go on the web now has tables with
> which I must deal. *Grumble*.
> Christine
>
>> On Sep 23, 2015
k or if it was accidental,
> but now when I connect my phone to my Mac if Dropbox finds new photos/videos,
> it syncs them to the photos folder and you can just go through and browse it
> quickly.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Sep 22, 2015, at 6:40 PM, Christina C. wrote:
Hello,
I can’t figure out how to open a RTF filed that was messaged to me on my mac in
the messages/iMessages application. I tried Vo spacebar, routing the mouse to
the file name and performing an actual mouse click. I also tried bringing up
the contextual menu but just get some unrelated optio
Generally, things like that end up in the
> Downloads folder by default; have you looked in there? Just a thought.
>> On Sep 30, 2015, at 20:15, Christina C. wrote:
>>
>> Hello,
>>
>> I can’t figure out how to open a RTF filed that was messaged to me on my mac
&g
I am on Yosemite and I have this problem and the allow cursor wrapping is
unchecked. I mainly encounter this wrapping problem in dialogue boxes,
settings, and help areas.
On Oct 7, 2015, at 7:41 AM, Anders Holmberg wrote:
>
> Hi!
> THe strange thing is that i didn’t find it there.
> But i did
Hello,
I am still on latest version of Yosemite. I have had this problem for several
months and it’s driving me bonkers. I have cursor tracking on and I am using
list view in Finder. I cannot get the voiceOver cursor to enter the list of
files. It stays stuck in the column headers. I can kind o
> Does cursor tracking work anywhere else on the Mac question that is, is it
> only happening in finder? Do you have quick nav on? Have you tried toggling
> cursor tracking with VO plus shift plus F three?
>
> Sent from my IPhone
>
>
>> On Oct 8, 2015, at 9:16 PM,
r than the name of the
> file or folder; might the one folder be in column view and you didn't notice?
> My music folder is stuck that way for some reason, though everywhere else
> uses list view with no problem.
>> On Oct 9, 2015, at 12:39, Christina C. wrote:
>>
>
Thanks, I had been using just the arrow keys, without the VO modifiers, before
today. That is how I was able to work with finder all these months. However, I
couldn’t dig in like I needed to. I am finally able to clean up my desktop.
Every time I went to save a document I could not figure out ho
Hello all,
The One password for Mac is on sale for $29.99. I’m not positive how good of a
deal this is or how long it will last but I’m thinking of purchasing it and I
have a couple of questions.
1. Is it VO accessible on the mac and iOS? If so, to what extent, fully
accessible, or are some as
are also very open to
>> feedback regarding accessibility, and they usually always respond, even on
>> Twitter.
>>
>> Nicolai
>>> On Oct 10, 2015, at 3:39 PM, Christina C. wrote:
>>>
>>> Hello all,
>>>
>>> The One password for
Not sure of the details but I think urban spoon is now called Zomato. You can
google it if you want more info. I didn’t use urban spoon so I really don’t
know anything. I just caught wind of the change from word of mouth. :)
Christina
> On Oct 11, 2015, at 8:39 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland
> w
Hello,
I would love some opinions about Word Processing on the Mac with Voice Over. I
seem to remember hearing great stuff about Nisus some time back. I looked it up
in the Mac app store and noticed it hasn’t been updated since 2013. I also have
seem some recent vague discussion on Office 365
but it's not seeming to be
> very accessible like before. Lots of things are unlabeled. Oh well.
>
> Chris.
>
>> - Original Message -
>> From: Christina C. <mailto:blindmaclo...@gmail.com>
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macv
Hi,
In onePassword, I went to file,new, then identity. I found the table where I
add my name and such. However, I cannot for the life of me figure out how to
get into the fields and enter my information. I’m in the main Password app, not
the mini or the web extension.
I’d appreciate any help w
d I rarely tab through, so I
> didn't think about that.
>
> Nicolai
>> On Oct 12, 2015, at 3:28 PM, Christina C. wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> In onePassword, I went to file,new, then identity. I found the table where I
>> add my name and suc
Ok, I apologize for my confusion, are you guys saying that you use pages? Or
are you guys saying that you don’t like any of the solutions? I am hoping that
I can learn one and stick with it. :)
Christina
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Hello,
I was wondering if this was normal behavior. On my Mac I opted to turn on the
iCloud portion of apple Music so that any apple music songs I aded would be on
my computer and my iPhone. However, iTunes added my entire music library, even
songs ripped from CDs onto my iCloud apple music. Is
Hello,
Is there a way to switch back and forth between family members in the apple
music area of the apple TV? I am the one currently logged in but what if my
kids who are using Family share want to switch to their apple music so that
they can listen to their own music library with their own p
HI all,
I just downloaded and tried the app Fantastical 2 on my iPhone. It’s currently
half off right now. I’ve only played with it for around 20 minutes so this is
my early take on the app. I like it a lot more than the apple calendar app,
mostly because I now have access to month view this w
Hi,
I have no idea how to contact or find the contact info for the developer and I
have also never done this before, so this would be new territory for me. :) I
know this sounds sad but I never feel like I can sound smart enough to be
convincing. LOL!
Christina
On Oct 30, 2013, at 6:17 PM, Ni
OK, I have this app. I believe getting to the calendar view is very tricky. I
will try to look at it. I do not use the app for that. I only use it to add
calendar events. I can’t explain why but I just much prefer Fantastical for
this. If I remember correctly, the calendar view pops up when the
:)
Christina
Sent from Christina's iMac :)
On Oct 31, 2013, at 10:13 AM, Christina C. wrote:
> OK, I have this app. I believe getting to the calendar view is very tricky. I
> will try to look at it. I do not use the app for that. I only use it to add
> calendar events. I can’t explain
anywhere I had to reinvent the wheel
> a bit. It's a different beast to apples calendar app. Smile.
>
>
> Danny.
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On 1 Nov 2013, at 3:08 am, "Christina C." wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I have no idea how t
gt; Nic
> On 1 Nov 2013, at 3:36 am, Christina C. wrote:
>
>> Hi Nick,
>>
>> OK, I found it. It does not pop up after hovering the mouse. That was
>> something different. I can explain that later if need be but for now. Here
>> is the calendar. When you
Hi all,
I would love some help. I don’t know why but around 2 weeks ago my computer
won’t seem to stay connected to the internet. The wifi status will say 4 of 4
bars with name of network but no web pages will load nor will mail work. Then
if I turn wifi off and then back on, all will work fine
Hi all,
I started having this problem after I updated to Maverick. I was wondering if
anyone else was experiencing this problem or if anyone had a fix. I cannot get
my user agent settings to stick. I use these settings under the develop menu of
Safari to help me access certain websites better,
t McMurray, AB Canada
>
> On Nov 4, 2013, at 1:02 PM, Christina C. wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I would love some help. I don’t know why but around 2 weeks ago my computer
>> won’t seem to stay connected to the internet. The wifi status will say 4 of
>> 4 ba
Try this, when VO is focused on the document name, bring up the context menu by
pressing vo plus shift, plus M. Then go to get info. In there down a bit there
is something called file name and extension disclosure triangle ( I can’t
remember exactly what it’s called), Vo space on that if the dis
Oh thanks! I love this voice and I would not have known about it if you would
not have let me know about this great voice if you had not brought it to my
attention. :) I feel the Ava voice has a much more concise pronunciation of
words. I feel like the words are spoken much more distinctly and n
I just purchased the iPad version and the Mac Version at the sale price. Thanks
for sharing, I have been waiting and hoping for a sale to purchase the Mac
version as I love the iPhone version but I want to add all my recipes from the
mac as that sounds much easier. :)
Christina
Sent from Chris
Greetings all,
I love this music/radio app. However, ever since the latest major update to the
app for iOS 7 the app is no longer voiceover friendly. If there are some work
arounds, I am unaware of them. I I sent them a message through their tech
support on their website a week ago and I never
How or who got Slacker Radio to fix accessibility in the past? So far, they
have ignored me. Thanks for trying again, Christine. I would appreciate it if
others who enjoy slacker Radio would also contact them.
Thanks,
Christina
Sent from Christina's iMac :)
On Dec 4, 2013, at 2:09 PM, Christine
Hello everyone,
I can see just enough that if I open the item chooser or the other such menus
by using VO plus u or i, that the menu pops up on the screen. For some
reason, this menu is not popping up on the screen anymore. I can still use the
item chooser but it is no longer showing up on th
I find the app on the iPhone to watch movies to be accessible. I do think the
app could be more accessible but I can find my way around with no real problems
and watch a movie. We have an apple TV device and we use air play to watch the
movies on our TV. I can’t see a darn thing but the family l
I do not understand all of the ins and outs of this but overall it appears to
be a positive thing for blind and visually impaired as well as for others with
various disabilities and challenges requiring adaptive software and equipment.
I did crack up at the line about being leaders. LOL! They a
Hmmm, I would be willing to try to help but I don’t have enough information. I
am running latest version of Maverick and I am not having any trouble at all
with apple mail…at least nothing to my knowledge. :) Do you have an iDevice
where mail is working perfectly fine?
Christina
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I am not having any problems at all with gmail. Despite the suggestion that you
not hide the all mail folder…mine is hidden from apple mail. I have no idea
why, but this has not caused me any problems whatsoever. I also delete instead
of archive any unwanted mail. If it’s an email I want to save
I had major issues with an attachment yesterday. No matter what I did, nothing
would happen. I would bring up the context menu and I tried, open, save as, and
save to downloads. Nothing would happen though. I also realized later there
were actually two attachments. Finally, the one thing that s
I have subscribed to receive a few publications via email. However, I don't
understand how to use or open all of the attachments that are sent to me. I am
quite confused. I had thought maybe I could open the files and then read the
XML in Safari with heading navigation. What am I doing wrong? I
Does it work differently with different voices? what voice are you using?
Christina
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Thanks. What are these smart quotes exactly? I want to understand what the
consequence is for turning them off. I don't really understand what they are
and what happens if you don't use them. I believe I hear these sometimes in
Safari. I would have to pay attention again though. I used to find t
Yes, I have had this happen many times. Also, on some web pages VO seems OK but
if I try to open the item chooser menu than VO crashes and restarts.
Christina
On Jul 24, 2014, at 3:54 PM, Anders Holmberg wrote:
> Hi!
> Today i was browsing a discussion on a swedish discussion forum and suddenly
I'm not sure that I will be much help. Since you bought this audiobook from
apple, the settings for an audiobook should be correct, but it can't hurt to
make sure. While in your audiobook library Bring the voiceover cursor to the
book and then bring up the context menu via Vo+shift+M. Select Get
Hi all,
Are there any resources, links, or books to walk me through the ins and outs,
risks, and benefits to getting Windows on my Mac? I know I can ask some
questions here but I fear I have way too many. I don't know where to start. I
don't even know where to buy windows or which version to bu
HI all, Mariner is having a one day sale on their software. I cannot speak for
their accessibility but it seems that I have heard that Mac Journal and
MacGourmet are somewhat useable. This would be a purchase at your own risk :)
as I do not know for sure how or even if the software is VO friend
Hello,
I don't understand how to open the email attachments from NFB newsline. I just
got the email for Family Fun magazine and it has multiple attachments. I can't
figure out how to open them, which one to open, nor with what. I thought I was
just supposed to open the xml file in Safari but it
Hello everyone,
I need to access a button on a flash based website that is just to the left of
a link. VoiceOver ignores this button as if it does not exist. The only thing
that I can think of is to use mouse keys to move the pointer to the left and
perform a mouse click. I did get this to work
Thanks, but It's not working. What could I be doing wrong? I tried my left and
my right option key, not at the same time of course. :)
Thanks,
Christina
On Aug 19, 2014, at 2:54 PM, Ricardo Walker wrote:
> Hello,
>
> Pressing the option key 5 times quickly, toggles on/off mouse keys.
>
> hth
How do I know if it's a Nuance voice that I am using? Are they all Nuance
voices except for Alex and some of the low quality voices? I have surely
noticed that when I want to change voices it is a very sluggish process. I
usually just stick to Ava. I want to try activities. If I use the same vo
Hello,
What is static text in the web rotor and how is it helpful. Ins Safari it seems
to take me to random things. Is it just taking me to anywhere that there are
words?
Thanks,
Christina
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This discussion does help me with a similar question. I get NFB newsline emails
and found out I cannot use them without a daisy reader on my mac. Any ideas?
Also, I wanted to mention that if the BookShare browser plug in does not do
white on black, the Mac OS built-in accessibility does. I am no
Hello all,
Is there an accessible way to convert kindle books to play on my stream with my
Mac? I know that the kindle books will play on iDevices. However, I find that I
prefer my victor reader stream because navigation is so easy and quick. I find
that on my iPhone I fumble around a lot and w
How do I deal with or access pop ups that websites use either to get me to sign
up for their newsletter, answer a survey question, or to fill out forms for an
online purchase? I only know that they are there because something seems wonky
and doesn't' make sense when I am navigating on a page. It
No, I tried that. Thanks though. :)
On Oct 9, 2014, at 12:54 PM, Brandon Olivares wrote:
> Does it come up as a new window in Safari? You could check in the window
> chooser.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Oct 9, 2014, at 14:46, Christina C. wrote:
>>
>>
Where do I go to make the cellular phone call from my mac? Do I make the call
in faceTime?
Thanks,
Christina
> On Oct 17, 2014, at 9:31 PM, Shawn Krasniuk wrote:
>
> Hi all. I will answer all the questions below to the best of my knowledge.
>
> 1. Making and answering calls should work on any
Hello all,
In the app grid for apps that have an update. I use to be able to VO spacebar
on the app and then interact and go to the bottom to see what’s new in the
update. Now, all it says is the size of the app. Does anyone know a quick way
to access the what’s new information other than right
Hi,
since upgrading to the latest Mac OS, the arrow key is no longer working to
expand a thread of messages in mail. I can VO over to the conversation column
in mail and vo spacebar on it. However, I Used to know a keyboard shortcut but
I for the life of me just cannot remember it. :) I’d appr
AM, Christina C. wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> since upgrading to the latest Mac OS, the arrow key is no longer working to
> expand a thread of messages in mail. I can VO over to the conversation column
> in mail and vo spacebar on it. However, I Used to know a keyboard shortcut
> but I
Yes, I get the same thing, Andrew. Thanks Alex and Andrew for letting me know
you are not having this problem. Everything I tried to get the arrow keys to
begin working on threads would not work, not even rebooting my computer. Then
suddenly for no reason that I cannot figure out, the arrow keys
Hi, Can anyone suggest a webpage building application for the mac that somewhat
works with voiceover. I understand that building a website is somewhat of a
task requiring vision. However, I will and can have help with this. I don't
need anything super robust. It's more for learning and education
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