alex;
what is "i speak? i would suggest you put a discription of what file
is what on your /downloads directory and link to the respected files
so those of us who don't know what an application is can read a short
discription about it
with best regards
michael
On Mar 8, 2009, at 10:23 PM, Al
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En nombre de Alex Jurgensen
Enviado el: lunes, 09 de marzo de 2009 7:23
Para: MacVisionaries
Asunto: ISpeak V0.1 released today
>Hi,
Hello
>ISpeak V0.1 is available for free download. It
Hi,
Thanks,
Indeed the Downloads folder is a repository if you will. There is a
frontpage, but ISpeak hasn't been added to that frontpage yet.
Thanks,
Alex,
On 8-Mar-09, at 11:59 PM, Michael Babcock wrote:
>
> alex;
> what is "i speak? i would suggest you put a discription of what file
> i
Hi,
This will not work with Voiceover yet until all the requirements in
the ISpeak-0.1/Documentation/READMES/Things That Must Be Done.rtf file
are complete.
Thanks,
Alex,
On 9-Mar-09, at 12:16 AM, Jonathan Chacón wrote:
>
>
>
> -Mensaje original-
> De: macvisionaries@googlegroups.
Martin, you have certainly covered a number of areas and I am sure you
have already been to Apple's accessibility site,
http://www.apple.com/accessibility
. You can bet this list will be a valuable resource for getting your
questions answered. I will say that it is folks like yourself that ca
Chris, you make some good points, but self-voicing applications, no,
that would realy be unnecessary. VoiceOver does a fine job of handling
the text to speech function, I see no value in making applications
self-voicing in most cases and nor is it typically a good investment
for the return
Ryan, excellent description and you are right on target, that was the
point I was trying to make. :)
On Mar 8, 2009, at 9:06 PM, Ryan Dour wrote:
> As a great example, an app like Boxee would be amazing with self
> voicing menus. Boxee is a media center app like FrontRow, but able
> to do mu
Chris, although I disagree with you, can you possibly provide a reason
why you would prefer a self-voicing application for a program such as
Safari? Where is the advantage?
On Mar 8, 2009, at 9:26 PM, Chris Gilland wrote:
> By self voicing I mean, have it so that with voice over not running
Hi,
Excuse me here a moment, but what do we want? Do we want a specially
made program for the blind or an application that both blind and
sighted people alike can use without us stepping on eachothers toes?
You may think this question is silly or such, but i think it's
relevant since what i'
And why would we want that? Don't you trust in Voiceover to do what a
screen reader is supposed to do?
/Krister
9 mar 2009 kl. 02.26 skrev Chris Gilland:
> By self voicing I mean, have it so that with voice over not running
> the program would still speak right out of the box. In other word
Hi Krister
I'm in full agreement here. Let's not forget what makes the Mac
platform so awesome, the fact that we need not have any additional
program other than Voiceover to provide accessibility, and the fact
that Voiceover is right there for developers to test and with which
they can mak
This frustrated me for a long while, and when I got it to work I was
happy, so: Be sure to interact with the messages table. Now, to get
to the top of the list, press VO Shift Function left arrow. Replace
with right arrow for the end of the list. Keep in mind, this will
take you to the
Hi alex.
So lets have it.:)
what needs too be done is the perl interface and the error while
compiling ?
the next lines kinda gives it self, that is perfectly acceptable for
me but would it be for jane on 14 years old ? not likely.
sandis-macbook-air:ISpeak-0.1 sandi$ ./installer.sh
Password:
El 08/03/2009, a las 23:34, David Poehlman escribió:
>
> look at firevox to understand this.
Or katie player.
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Sandy et al,
As the subject inplies the V0.2 version of ISpeak is released with an
uninstaller and a better installer.
http://www.vipbc.org/downloads/ISpeak-0.2.zip
Since this is a developement build I am assuming you have the
Developer tools installed from Apple. All of my systems have
WHAT IS THIS I SPEAK
On 9 Mar 2009, at 16:26, Alex Jurgensen wrote:
>
> Hi,
> Sandy et al,
>
> As the subject inplies the V0.2 version of ISpeak is released with an
> uninstaller and a better installer.
>
> http://www.vipbc.org/downloads/ISpeak-0.2.zip
>
> Since this is a developement build I am
Hi,
William et al,
ISpeak is the effort to port three Open-Source Speech Engines to the
Mac as native voices.
Festival, Flight, and eSpeak
Thanks,
Alex,
On 9-Mar-09, at 9:29 AM, william lomas wrote:
>
> WHAT IS THIS I SPEAK
>
> On 9 Mar 2009, at 16:26, Alex Jurgensen wrote:
>
>>
>> Hi,
>>
Hi,
in porting all these eSpeak Voices and all to the Mac we at VIPBC.org
want to give you the chance to name them. We need at least one male
and one female name for each language eSpeak/Festival/Flight support.
Please send submitions to with "voicemail
voices" in the subject.
Enjoy,
Al
Yo.
But but i did not ... it will get changed though.Also my mail came out
quite abit more cold then i intented it sorry bout that :)
Alex in other words im all for it. It is a good reason too reinstall
the lil-mini.
/sandy:)
On Mar 9, 2009, at 9:26 AM, Alex Jurgensen wrote:
>
> Hi,
> San
hey would it be smart too pul our heads together at
irc.freenode.net:#ispeak ?
/sandi
On Mar 9, 2009, at 9:36 AM, Alex Jurgensen wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> in porting all these eSpeak Voices and all to the Mac we at VIPBC.org
> want to give you the chance to name them. We need at least one male
> and
I must have missed something, but what is Ispeak?
On Mar 9, 2009, at 12:26 PM, Alex Jurgensen wrote:
>
> Hi,
> Sandy et al,
>
> As the subject inplies the V0.2 version of ISpeak is released with an
> uninstaller and a better installer.
>
> http://www.vipbc.org/downloads/ISpeak-0.2.zip
>
> Since
On Mar 9, 2009, at 12:33 PM, Alex Jurgensen wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> William et al,
>
> ISpeak is the effort to port three Open-Source Speech Engines to the
> Mac as native voices.
>
> Festival, Flight, and eSpeak
>
> Thanks,
> Alex,
>
>
> On 9-Mar-09, at 9:29 AM, william lomas wrote:
>
>>
>> WHAT IS
Thank you all for your help with my several questions. Your answers
have been most helpful.
Jason
On Mar 9, 2009, at 8:07 AM, Mark Baxter wrote:
>
> This frustrated me for a long while, and when I got it to work I was
> happy, so: Be sure to interact with the messages table. Now, to get
> to
will this work with vo yet?
On Mar 9, 2009, at 2:23 AM, Alex Jurgensen wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> ISpeak V0.1 is available for free download. It is a very biginning
> stage of the operation so don't expect very much.
>
> http://www.vipbc.org/downloads/
>
> Thanks,
> Alex,
>
>
>
> >
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Our channel is #eSpeak on irc.freenode.net.
Thanks,
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Hi,
V0.2 will once everything in documentation/readmes/things that must be
done.rtf are completed.
Thanks,
Alex,
On 9-Mar-09, at 10:07 AM, Brandon Misch wrote:
>
> will this work with vo yet?
>
> On Mar 9, 2009, at 2:23 AM, Alex Jurgensen wrote:
>
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> ISpeak V0.1 is available fo
o ok. what are the differents between v1 and v2 or 0.1 and 0.2 besides
the file sizes?
On Mar 9, 2009, at 3:30 AM, Alex Jurgensen wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> This will not work with Voiceover yet until all the requirements in
> the ISpeak-0.1/Documentation/READMES/Things That Must Be Done.rtf file
> ar
Hi,
The 0.2 includes an uninstaller and improved installer.
Thanks,
Alex,
On 9-Mar-09, at 10:17 AM, Brandon Misch wrote:
>
> o ok. what are the differents between v1 and v2 or 0.1 and 0.2 besides
> the file sizes?
>
> On Mar 9, 2009, at 3:30 AM, Alex Jurgensen wrote:
>
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> This wi
Hi all,
I am looking for a text to speech program that has a mark up
langwitch. I want to embed commands for voice, rate, etc.
Thank you for any help.
louie
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You're inluck! apple have that already.
google speech manaer and see what comes up.
sandi
On Mar 9, 2009, at 10:45 AM, louie wrote:
>
> Hi all,
> I am looking for a text to speech program that has a mark up
> langwitch. I want to embed commands for voice, rate, etc.
> Thank you for any help.
>
>
Thanks for the suggestions everyone. I am sad to say though that I
will be removing my Windows partition. I have JAWS 8 and my graphics
processor is too new to run my version of JAWS. I have no ability to
upgrade JAWS so I guess I'll just have to figure out how to uses my
Mac for everything.
Ale
One of the things that I have noticed since I started using VO is that
it doesn't recognize flash players. Does anyone know if there is any
plan to make VO accessible with flash? It is really frustrating when
I can't activate a movie on a website because it's in a flash player.
Thanks.
Alena
Blo
Hi Louie,
louie wrote:
> I am looking for a text to speech program that has a mark up
> langwitch. I want to embed commands for voice, rate, etc.
>
There's an existing mark up language for controlling atributes for
Apple's text to speech. The easy way to do this is to use Automator,
which a
what about the mbrola voices or however you spell it?
On Mar 9, 2009, at 12:33 PM, Alex Jurgensen wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> William et al,
>
> ISpeak is the effort to port three Open-Source Speech Engines to the
> Mac as native voices.
>
> Festival, Flight, and eSpeak
>
> Thanks,
> Alex,
>
>
> On 9-Mar
that's good. how are things going now? and will the next version have
an installer where the terminal isn't needed?
On Mar 9, 2009, at 1:10 PM, Alex Jurgensen wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> V0.2 will once everything in documentation/readmes/things that must be
> done.rtf are completed.
>
> Thanks,
> Alex,
I have written to accessibil...@apple.com, and they said to write to
Adobe
and I did so. I haven't heard from Adobe yet; I will give them a
couple days, and if I don't hear from them, I will write them again.
But the accessibility is not with Apple, but rather, Adobe, since it
is their p
o ok. since .2 can't work with vo yet, what does it work with for the
moment?
On Mar 9, 2009, at 1:27 PM, Alex Jurgensen wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> The 0.2 includes an uninstaller and improved installer.
>
> Thanks,
> Alex,
>
>
> On 9-Mar-09, at 10:17 AM, Brandon Misch wrote:
>
>>
>> o ok. what are th
Hi,
It works with the Command-Line. Yes Moterolla voices will be supported.
Thanks,
Alex,
On 9-Mar-09, at 12:27 PM, Brandon Misch wrote:
>
> o ok. since .2 can't work with vo yet, what does it work with for the
> moment?
>
> On Mar 9, 2009, at 1:27 PM, Alex Jurgensen wrote:
>
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>>
Alena, Have you tried using System Access to Go? www.satogo.com. It
has no video intercept issues, and it should work with whatever
Windows operating you have installed. Richie Gardenhire, anchorage,
Alaska.
On Mar 9, 2009, at 10:52 AM, alena.roberts2...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> Thanks for
o cool. can't wait to see it working with vo. will it be completed on
the 17th as you said a few days ago?
On Mar 9, 2009, at 3:33 PM, Alex Jurgensen wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> It works with the Command-Line. Yes Moterolla voices will be
> supported.
>
> Thanks,
> Alex,
>
>
> On 9-Mar-09, at 12:27 P
Hi David,
Could you tell me how to get this overview of the current window? What
I'm proposing is something that will be in more natural english than
what voice over usually does. As for the braille display detection,
I'll look into filing a bug with Apple to see if they will look into
thi
if I recall, this is a bootcamp setup, we already have jaws and there
are no video issues with bootcamp.
On Mar 9, 2009, at 3:47 PM, Richie Gardenhire wrote:
Alena, Have you tried using System Access to Go? www.satogo.com. It
has no video intercept issues, and it should work with whatever
W
sorry about this, I hadn't seen the other message.
On Mar 9, 2009, at 3:47 PM, Richie Gardenhire wrote:
Alena, Have you tried using System Access to Go? www.satogo.com. It
has no video intercept issues, and it should work with whatever
Windows operating you have installed. Richie Gardenhire,
Hi Scott,
Here's my website URL for those who are interested: http://www.mcubedsw.com
. The blog post in which I first talked about accessibility is here:
http://www.mcubedsw.com/blog/index.php?/site/comments/the_accessible_mac/
Thanks
-
Martin Pilkington
Writ
this is not a bug. apple write drivers for displays themselves. the
display is handled through the driver and tightly integrated into
voiceover. the only thing you could offer would be a choice of short
or long labels.
as to my response to the summarization of what is on the screen, see
No problem. I wasn't aware that you had BootCamp set up to use
virtual Windows. Richie Gardenhire, Anchorage, Alaska.
On Mar 9, 2009, at 12:04 PM, David Poehlman wrote:
>
> sorry about this, I hadn't seen the other message.
>
> On Mar 9, 2009, at 3:47 PM, Richie Gardenhire wrote:
>
>
> Alen
I've waited until now to put my bit in, but here it is:
Using self-voicing programs is sort of disrespectful to those who
designed VoiceOver into Leopard in the first place. If someone has a
problem with the speech, then adjust VO settings. Self voicing is
like re-inventing the wheel; why
I didn't think she had bootcamp set up to use virtual windows. her
problem is not a video intercept issue anyway, it's her version of
jaws not supporting the graphics card although come to think of it, I
have 8 running on my mac. I'll have to think on this.
On Mar 9, 2009, at 4:07 PM, Ric
Hello Everyone,
I purchased a full size keyboard for my macbook pro. I went into
keyboard learn mode, however their are a lot of keys that are not
spoken. Would anyone know where I could find information about what
these keys are used for? I also need to know where and if the fn k
your keyboard comes with a user guide, failing accessibility of that
manual, you should be able to find a pdf online. I'm sure someone
will write these out for you but a handy reference is a good thing o
have.
On Mar 9, 2009, at 4:25 PM, Scott Ford wrote:
Hello Everyone,
I purcha
Hello, I am trying to install Windows 7 beta into a boot camp
partition because the installation that I have in the VM. Although
running well it continues to have keyboard issues in Jaws that I have
previously posted on. Also whenever I attempt to download anything in
the VM I can't find t
David,
I have to completely agree about self voicing applications vs.
Voiceover compatibility. It should only be used when no alternative is
really possible. Consider a speaking mode for a video game, maybe for
the role playing game telling you the on screen text and possible
actions you
Hi David,
Unless I'm missing something, hitting vo-F1 just reads the current
application and how many open applications there are and vo-f2 just
reads the title of the current window. I'm talking more about
describing what UI elements are on the window and where they are. For
example "On t
Hi Scott,
On the full flat keyboard with the numeric keypad there is a fn key.
It is located above the delete key, to the right of the backspace key.
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Martin Pilkington
Writer of Weird Symbols
pi...@mcubedsw.com
On 9 Mar 2009, at 8:25 pm, Scott Ford wrote:
>
Apple could provide configurability for labels for vo but unless they
make it available through the accessibility api, it would not do much
for 3rd party accessibility apps. The normal approach is to have
braille as a subset of the assistive technology and configure it
through the assisti
9 mar 2009 kl. 21.45 skrev Martin Pilkington:
> I'm talking more about describing what UI elements are on the window
> and where they are. For example "On the left of the screen is the
> source list, it shows all your groups. In the top right in a list of
> all your items".
This sounds li
Hi Martin,
Have you tried putting on headphones, and using the voiceover sounds
as you move around the screen? Voiceover has different audio queues as
you move from line to line. Also, as you go from left to right on a
single line, the effects for buttons and objects move from left to
right
we can get that info. also, yu might want to wait till snow leopard
comes out because if they do what they usually do, they will enhance vo.
On Mar 9, 2009, at 4:45 PM, Martin Pilkington wrote:
Hi David,
Unless I'm missing something, hitting vo-F1 just reads the current
application and how
Good luck, my understanding is that Adobe is not overly interested in
making their apps accessible for the Mac platform. I hope they change
their minds of course.
On Mar 9, 2009, at 3:24 PM, Richie Gardenhire wrote:
>
> I have written to accessibil...@apple.com, and they said to write to
> A
I think he's talking about a window description a bit more in depth
than just an inquiry into the name of the window/application in
focus. Like "tool bar with such and such buttons, side bar to the
left with source items, main view to the right with such and such."
Is that right? I thin
I wouldn't rely on the next cat for any of this.
You know we have had people commenting before that they would like
webpages to describe themselves like under win, (6 headings, 81 links,
2 frames" etc… maybe we could use something like this in an
application. What someone could suggest to
Hello,
What brand is your keyboard?
On Mar 9, 2009, at 3:25 PM, Scott Ford wrote:
>
> Hello Everyone,
> I purchased a full size keyboard for my macbook pro. I went into
> keyboard learn mode, however their are a lot of keys that are not
> spoken. Would anyone know where I could find in
I think there is some misunderstanding about what these descriptions
would be, but it seems the general consensus is that this sort of
thing is better left in the manual. The ability to bring up a list of
all the keyboard commands would be extremely useful to all users so
I'll definitely lo
Hi,
I said the Open-Source project would be released on the 17, meaning
that people could contribute patches.
Thanks,
Alex,
On 9-Mar-09, at 12:53 PM, Brandon Misch wrote:
>
> o cool. can't wait to see it working with vo. will it be completed on
> the 17th as you said a few days ago?
>
> On
Ryan,
The Keyboard is the new flat one that feels like metal. The one that
comes witha new mac computer. The keyboard has a number pad and
something like sixteen f keys and twelve keys where the six pack
usually is located. This is where the fn key is exactly where i was
told in
Hi,
Except like in Kiwi Keys where you can use Voiceover, but the commands
are spoken by the Speech Manager.
Thanks,
Alex,
On 9-Mar-09, at 1:23 PM, Mark Baxter wrote:
>
> I've waited until now to put my bit in, but here it is:
> Using self-voicing programs is sort of disrespectful to those
we can already bring up a list of keyboard commands in voiceover.
On Mar 9, 2009, at 6:06 PM, Martin Pilkington wrote:
I think there is some misunderstanding about what these descriptions
would be, but it seems the general consensus is that this sort of
thing is better left in the manual. Th
He means individual program commands not VO commands.
"Don't worry about the world coming to an end today. It's already
tomorrow in Australia." Charles Schultz, creator of the Peanuts comic
strip.
El 09/03/2009, a las 15:31, David Poehlman escribió:
>
> we can already bring up a list of key
I also agree with this, voice over is a great screen reader, and apple has
provided the tools to make an application completely accessible. A self
voicing program normally should not be needed.
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Unfortunately, Adobe does not currently expose flash elements in a way that
voice over can use, and last I heard, they didn't think there was enough mac
users to spend resources on this.
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o i get it. lol. guess it's going great so far.
On Mar 9, 2009, at 6:19 PM, Alex Jurgensen wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> I said the Open-Source project would be released on the 17, meaning
> that people could contribute patches.
>
> Thanks,
> Alex,
>
>
> On 9-Mar-09, at 12:53 PM, Brandon Misch wrote:
>
>>
I think that, too long, screen access was more reactionary because,
for the most part, when new technology comes into the marketplace,
developers have been scrambling to "keep up," rather than put the
universal design in their products in the first place. And it's for
this reason, Apple e
The way I heard it on Leo Laporte podcast was Jobs did not want flash.
On Mar 9, 2009, at 5:13 PM, Mike Arrigo wrote:
>
> Unfortunately, Adobe does not currently expose flash elements in a
> way that
> voice over can use, and last I heard, they didn't think there was
> enough mac
> users to
I think you're confusing the Mac with the iPhone. Jobs did not want
flash on the iPhone, and the iPhone consequently doesn't have it.
He probably doesn't want flash on the Mac either, I kind of agree with
him given how badly it's misused, but the fact is the plugin is there
and Adobe has pro
I stand corrected. Thanks.
On Mar 9, 2009, at 5:46 PM, Jacob Schmude wrote:
>
> I think you're confusing the Mac with the iPhone. Jobs did not want
> flash on the iPhone, and the iPhone consequently doesn't have it.
> He probably doesn't want flash on the Mac either, I kind of agree with
> him g
Hi,
All,
Here is the list of voices so far. We still have a ways to go.
Female:
(En-Sc) Peggy
(En-UK) Harriet
(En) Susan
(Ku) Soma
(De) Brigitte
Male:
(En) Judson
(En) Howard
(En-Sc) James
(En-UK) Peter
(Ku) Dara
(De) Johanna's
Thanks,
Alex,
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hi.
from what i can see so far what needs too be done are:
first and most important make the espeak interact with the native mac
interface:
i just set up a computer that can handle the stuf just in case
something goes down the drain. I will try a few things to morrow and
see if it works. I b
yes, the apple accessibility api gets us most of the way there and
because voiceover is included and full keyboard access is available
for the os, almost anything can be made to work and it will not but
get better.
I've seen a lot of apps become accessible in a short time; ITunes,
Iwork,
Hi,
All,
We are making some headway. For a project started last night we are
doing marvelous.
Well, what is new in this version.
At Sandy's Recomendation I got the precompiled copy of eSpeak for Mac.
Now it actually works properly on the Command-line. Also I have
included two of the modul
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