Hi,
We have a Wiki available.
Regards,
Alex,
On 12-Jun-09, at 8:39 PM, Justin Harford wrote:
>
> Good idea. We could write a blog like what they have for orca. That
> way members could read and edit each other's work and make
> improvements or suggest alternatives.
> On Jun 12, 2009, at 8:3
A blog would be great for intermediate users, and I agree hole
heartedly, it's more accessible than a wiki. However, we have to think
perhaps about getting to those who can't navigate the net just yet as
well. Perhaps working with apple to supplement their docs as well,
then after the less
Like I said I'm not sure what the right solution is. I think there
should at least be a basic tutorial that covers the use of vo with the
finder maybe and other things. Again I really don't know how this
will be balanced or solved.
Mike
On Jun 12, 2009, at 7:42 PM, Ignasi Cambra wrote:
>
Good idea. We could write a blog like what they have for orca. That
way members could read and edit each other's work and make
improvements or suggest alternatives.
On Jun 12, 2009, at 8:32 PM, kaare dehard wrote:
>
> Also, if more documentation is required, Really what would stop one or
>
Also, if more documentation is required, Really what would stop one or
two of us from building a document ourselves and making it available?
If we want to leave feature implimentation to apple, between most of
us on the list proactive written documentation available and offered
to apple to
I totally agree. I think the VO quick start that exists in Leopard is
enough, because it shows you how to navigate all kinds of controls,
which in the end are the ones you find all over OS X and most
applications. So what's wrong with it? Personally I found it very
useful, along with the k
I agree, the welcome dialog will have an option to show at startup or
not, there could also be an option to show help message at startup or
something. My hope is that these help instructions will be put into
the welcome screen.
Mike
On Jun 12, 2009, at 5:08 AM, Krister Ekstrom wrote:
>
>
I think what is important is you learn how to navigate with VO and
then learn the applications as would any other user regardless of
their ability or disability. I may be recalling incorrectly since it
has been years since I bothered reading the manual for Window-EYes,
but I think generall
Hmm, let's see if i can formulate this so that it makes sence... I
think that you have some valid points in what you're saying, however
that info in the beginning about how to get help should, imho be
optional, that is if it was there, you should be able to turn it on
and off. I for one wo
I was confused about the editing thing as well at first but am doing
much better now I think. I still goof up sometimes but oh well. This
guy obviously did not read the vo manual as I looked at it today and
it's very detailed in going over the desktop orientation and all
that. They don'
Interesting, so I'll explore my own journey with you.
My first talking computer ironicly was an apple ii e. My second was a
dos machine. Neither of these gave me much trouble. Windows was my
next stop, and with no prejudgement I worked for a week before I got
myself grounded. Windows 95 98
When you first started to use Windows were you new to computers? I
mean you didn't use Lunux or an older flavour of Mac before
hand? I'm asking as I wonder if you found the Mac quicker to learn
because you had a better grasp of computers in general when you
started with the Mac, something yo
Buddy, you should and I will help if you need it. This is one of those
times when you need to say, set aside what you know about windows
because they were clearly expecting it to be like windows, and when
they found it wasn't, then it's a bad thing in their view and a bad
thing.
On Jun 10,
t;>>>> if
>>>>>>> they're being entirely fair. The article raised some good
>>>>>>> points -
>>>>>>> training would help explain things like the infamous double-
>>>>>>> sided
>>>>>>> c
You know what was so funny to me is I have been using the Mac since
2005 and quite honestly there was a learning curve, but it took me
considerably less time to get up to speed on the Mac than it did for
me to master Windows and Window-Eyes. I think a lot of it has to do
with the fact that
Jenny, you pup at 32. All good points for a whipper-snapper. :)
On Jun 10, 2009, at 3:16 AM, Jenny Kenn
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The only part I disagree with is that Apple has not settled for the
position of fancy home computer or whatever. In fact we use Macs
extensively where I work and I'm in the process of making the switch
at work as I had done years ago at home. Apple takes all segments of
the market seriousl
they are
>>> comparing
>>> voice over too much to windows screen readers. While I like to
>>> compare some
>>> things about the mac to elements in windows such as the finder to
>>> explorer,
>>> and the doc to the windows task bar and quick lau
Please do that. At least you seem to have the patience to do it. I
wouldn't bother...
On Jun 10, 2009, at 12:34 PM, Buddy Brannan wrote:
>
> Hi Maurice,
>
> I, too, am a proud (and active) NFB member. That doesn't negate that
> this article was not a responsible or accurate portrayal. Do I expe
out the mac to elements in windows such as the finder to
>> explorer,
>> and the doc to the windows task bar and quick launch, they did this
>> review
>> with way too much expectation for voice over and the mac to behave
>> like
>> windows.
>> ---
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> - Original Message -
> From: Chris Blouch
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 2009 11:52 PM
> Subject: Re: mac voiceover in braille monitor
>
> One little nit from the article is they mention that you can go up
> to a
Hi Maurice,
I, too, am a proud (and active) NFB member. That doesn't negate that
this article was not a responsible or accurate portrayal. Do I expect
every VO review to be full of nothing but glowing praise? Certainly
not, but I do expect it to at least be accurate and written by someone
hi I am a proud nfb member if this is know longer a mac voiceover list
and a nfb bashing list I will lev the list but I don't wunt to due
thiat this must stop and get back to voiceover.
On Jun 10, 2009, at 10:03 AM, patrickneazer wrote:
> Hello Peggy and all:
>
> Then that makes me ju
Hello Peggy and all:
Then that makes me just one of those darn meddling kids at 40 (grin)..
Given the writing of the article in the Braille Monitor it looks like
I will need to renew my annual membership in S.O.S. (stamp out
stupidity). Thought I could save the 20 bucks this year. Oh well, i
Well I got my mac in March of this year because I don't want to mess
with Windows seven. I'm 47 in October. Does that mean I'm young? :)
On Jun 10, 2009, at 3:16 AM, Jenny Kennedy wrote:
>
> I don't know who would be counted in the "young" group and who in the
> "old. I first heard rumblings
gt;>>>>>> sure
>>>>>>> if
>>>>>>> they're being entirely fair. The article raised some good
>>>>>>> points -
>>>>>>> training would help explain things like the infamous double-
>>>>
;> combination with voiceover. Once Apple can sell a mac to blind
>>>>>> users
>>>>>> with some vo-specific training, they might be able to tap into
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> market a little better. Of course it's doubtful they
to tap into the
>>>>> market a little better. Of course it's doubtful they will actually
>>>>> do
>>>>> this - blind services buy computers and software for working blind
>>>>> people. That means Microsoft Windows and JAWS (or window-
ote:
>>>> The biggest problem with this article I think is that they are
>>>> comparing
>>>> voice over too much to windows screen readers. While I like to
>>>> compare some
>>>> things about the mac to elements in windows such as the finder to
That's great. Let me just say I did not intend any offense with my
comment on the older/younger thing. My apologeez if any offense was
taken.
Mike
On Jun 10, 2009, at 2:16 AM, Jenny Kennedy wrote:
>
> I don't know who would be counted in the "young" group and who in the
> "old. I first he
I definitely agree. I think enough blind people will continue
to look at mac to make it still a viable option.
MikeOn Jun 10, 2009, at 1:04 AM, Mark Baxter wrote:
>
> This is typical NFB. Prey on an already oppressed popularion with
> scare tactics about what *COULD* go wrong and how helples
;> because that's what workplaces use. Apple seems to have accepted
>>>> and
>>>> embraced it's market position as the cool slick do-it-all magic box
>>>> for home users.
>>>>
>>>> On 6/9/09, Mike Arrigo wrote:
>>>>>
ick launch, they did this review with way too much
>>> expectation for voice over and the mac to behave like windows.
>>> - Original Message -
>>> From: Michael Reiser
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 2009 6
And here we go again! sigh! Someone who doesn't want to use their
brain, because "the screen reader should do it for them.
Already in the intro there was an error: They stated that the Mac
couldn't be used by blind people until Vo came, how come then, that i
as a blind user used and loved th
This happens everywhere. The ONCE in Spain, which is the equivalent of
the NFB, does exactly the same.
On Jun 10, 2009, at 2:04 AM, Mark Baxter wrote:
>
> This is typical NFB. Prey on an already oppressed popularion with
> scare tactics about what *COULD* go wrong and how helpless they'd be
>
t they are
>>> comparing
>>> voice over too much to windows screen readers. While I like to
>>> compare some
>>> things about the mac to elements in windows such as the finder to
>>> explorer,
>>> and the doc to the windows task bar and quick launch
Hi,
How many legs did your Windows conputer come with in the firstplace.
*Alex checks and none of his computers have legs* See, it is easier to
stop them running away this way, ... :).
Anyways, I have loved OS X since 2005, and would not use my Windows VM
probably ever except for miner web
I don't know who would be counted in the "young" group and who in the
"old. I first heard rumblings that the Mac was accessable in late
2007.I was 30 then and am 32 now, got my Mac when I was 31. So not
sure where I fit, young or old or whatever...
My story was this. My windows computer was on
This is typical NFB. Prey on an already oppressed popularion with
scare tactics about what *COULD* go wrong and how helpless they'd be
unless trhey do things the NFB way. It's why I have very little to do
with organized groups of blind people. Don't feel bad; I also scoff
at organized r
all magic box
>>> for home users.
>>>
>>> On 6/9/09, Mike Arrigo wrote:
>>>> The biggest problem with this article I think is that they are
>>>> comparing
>>>> voice over too much to windows screen readers. While I like to
>>
things about the mac to elements in windows such as the finder to
>>> explorer,
>>> and the doc to the windows task bar and quick launch, they did this
>>> review
>>> with way too much expectation for voice over and the mac to behave
>>> like
&
c to elements in windows such as the finder to
>> explorer,
>> and the doc to the windows task bar and quick launch, they did this
>> review
>> with way too much expectation for voice over and the mac to behave
>> like
>> windows.
>> - Origina
, and the doc to the windows task bar
>> and quick launch, they did this review with way too much
>> expectation for voice over and the mac to behave like windows.
>> - Original Message -
>> From: Michael Reiser
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>
> The biggest problem with this article I think is that they are
>>> comparing
>>> voice over too much to windows screen readers. While I like to
>>> compare some
>>> things about the mac to elements in windows such as the finder to
>>> explorer,
>&
oc to the windows task bar and quick launch, they did this
>> review
>> with way too much expectation for voice over and the mac to behave
>> like
>> windows.
>> - Original Message -
>> From: Michael Reiser
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>
y did this review
> with way too much expectation for voice over and the mac to behave like
> windows.
> - Original Message -
> From: Michael Reiser
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 2009 6:40 PM
> Subject: mac voiceover in braille
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