Re: Tips for reading PDF documents on the Mac

2012-04-13 Thread Steve Holmes
That's a real disappointment that the conversion or rendering of PDFs into Safari doesn't preserve table markup. Frankly, I hate it when screen readers and some of the OCR programs want to linearize a table. Try and imagine parsing a bus schedule or bank statement with say 8 to fifteen columns ac

Re: Tips for reading PDF documents on the Mac

2012-04-12 Thread Scott Howell
Kirsten, I think the problem is simply poorly formatted tables. VO is not designed to try and reconstruct a table. I am not sure exactly how all this works, but WIndow-Eyes for example can look at a website that has tables and even when poorly constructed, (generally missing header tags), those

Re: Tips for reading PDF documents on the Mac

2012-04-11 Thread Kirsten Edmondson
>From my investigations today, it seems that it does what most screen-readers >do with columns. It puts everything vertically underneath everything. Thus, >there are no columns. There are no differentiations between columns or cells, >but you seem to need to remember which heading you want and w

Re: Tips for reading PDF documents on the Mac

2012-04-11 Thread Bejarano, Rafael P.
The only solution I've found is to print out the document, and then to read it with my Kurzweil, since it is able to read by columns. Good luck with your efforts, and please keep the list apprised of any successes. I'm sure I'm not the only one who would like to be able to read multiple-colu

Re: Tips for reading PDF documents on the Mac

2012-04-10 Thread Kirsten Edmondson
I haven't, but you raise a good point, I have never found it possible to read PDF columns properly with Jaws and used to have to use fine reader to translate into an MS Doc. The PDFs I am currently putting into Safari are mainly journal articles-they have some tables and I don't think those read

Re: Tips for reading PDF documents on the Mac

2012-04-09 Thread Bejarano, Rafael P.
Those are very helpful suggestions. I wonder, though: Have you ever tried reading pdf documents formatted in multiple columns? I can do so using an old PowerPC iBook running Tiger, but I can't seem to do so with newer Macs and OSs. Cordially, Rafael Bejarano On Apr 8, 2012, at 4:47 PM, Kirsten

Re: Tips for reading PDF documents on the Mac

2012-04-09 Thread Kawal Gucukoglu
So Gi Gi, you are a braille transcriber too? that's good to know as I do the same thing. On 9 Apr 2012, at 10:25 AM, Eugenia Firth wrote: > Hello Rahul: > The only time I ever problems reading a brf file in TextEdit was when I > discovered that VoiceOver didn't recognize key inputs from my Foc

Re: Tips for reading PDF documents on the Mac

2012-04-09 Thread Eugenia Firth
Hello Rahul: The only time I ever problems reading a brf file in TextEdit was when I discovered that VoiceOver didn't recognize key inputs from my Focus 40. I discovered this by accident. I went into VO setttings, went under braille, under displays, and there discovered that the option for accep

Re: Tips for reading PDF documents on the Mac

2012-04-08 Thread Rahul Bajaj
Hello, Thanks for sharing this piece of information. I was looking for something like this only. Can you suggest some ways of improving the reading experience while reading books in PDF format? How can I go to the previous or next page in a PDF file? On 09/04/2012, Kawal Gucukoglu wrote: > I hav

Re: Tips for reading PDF documents on the Mac

2012-04-08 Thread Kawal Gucukoglu
I have always read PDF documents in text edit without any problem just in case someone wishes not to open safari. Kawal. On 8 Apr 2012, at 10:47 PM, Kirsten Edmondson wrote: > Hi all, > A few weeks ago, someone asked what was the best way of reading PDFs. I gave > some vague response, and t

Tips for reading PDF documents on the Mac

2012-04-08 Thread Kirsten Edmondson
Hi all, A few weeks ago, someone asked what was the best way of reading PDFs. I gave some vague response, and though I can't remember who asked, I know it comes up quite often, so, below I list more specific steps. I hope they help whoever wanted to know. 1. Find your document in your folder s