Re: Kindle App on iPhone

2012-03-26 Thread Eric Oyen
they certainly are better than the other main commercial concern. the only problem I see with apple is that some of their hardware is a bit overpriced for how its made. -eric On Mar 26, 2012, at 5:18 AM, Gigi wrote: > Hi guys > Well, as for me, I think I'll do business with one company that I

Re: Kindle App on iPhone

2012-03-26 Thread Gigi
Hi guys Well, as for me, I think I'll do business with one company that I don't have to argue with. You know guys, the one that has iTunes. I can get all the books I'll ever want to read from iTunes, and I don't have to argue with them. Regards Gigi Sent from my iPhone On Mar 25, 2012, at 7:49

Re: Kindle App on iPhone

2012-03-25 Thread Eric Oyen
I would have asked a bit more abruptly than he did. the problem I have is that I do not know if the NFB, ACB or any of the other blindness ors even support or oppose litigation against the AAG (American Author's Guild). I am an NFB member and if litigation is the tool to use, then I would use it

Re: Kindle App on iPhone

2012-03-25 Thread Eric Oyen
I have a nice solution if someone wants to know how I lost my sight. I simply explain it. I give them the short story and let them fill in the blanks from there. now, if a prospective employer were to ask me about how I handle my blindness, I can tell them "easily enough". if they press the iss

Re: Kindle App on iPhone

2012-03-25 Thread Ricardo Walker
lol, Isn't this getting a bit out of hand? Your asking this 1 person to defend himself? IDK, either he's telling the truth, or he's not, either way, what does it change? Sounds like your trying to put the guy up on perjury charges. lol. Documentary evidence? come on. JMO. Ricardo Walker ri

Re: Kindle App on iPhone

2012-03-25 Thread Adie
Hi all Well I am not in the US either and I can tell you that the BBC has featured a piece on the American Authors' Guild and their dog in the manger attitude to this. Some authors have been mentioned in the course of this discussion. Can any of them be persuaded to speak out against this publicl

Re: Kindle App on iPhone

2012-03-25 Thread Gigi
Hi guys Karen, doesn't sound like we're talking about what you care. It sounds like we're talking about emotions. That's a very difficult thing to come back. I have you decided decided if I wanted to weigh in on this topic, but I would like to say that there's no way I would give people informati

Re: Kindle App on iPhone

2012-03-24 Thread Karen Lewellen
Esther, Two questions. Does the author's guild have statistical evidence that the average mac product user even knows that voiceover is there let alone that they would opt for this behavior? I might point out that audiobooks, commercial ones were not created for the vision challenged population

Re: Kindle App on iPhone

2012-03-24 Thread James Mannion
Which is why this stupid nonsense will probably rob us of access in the name of their closed minded greed until the old members of the gild all die and we get minds in there with open minds to a moddern world perspective. The good part is there excessive greed will put them under extra stress which

Re: Kindle App on iPhone

2012-03-24 Thread Eric Oyen
not sure what they are, or are not, doing. I am thinking that they may think the case may be hard to win. personally, it may be about the cost the lawyers are going to extract before any monies get paid to the recipients of the class. anyway, I really hate to have to use the hammer of the law,

Re: Kindle App on iPhone

2012-03-24 Thread Karen Lewellen
Hi folks, responding to a couple of comments here. First the nfb and acb do not talk much to each other, they are hardly going to unite on this, especially with some in their camp benefiting in a way from the issues, they can still sell their own products at high process for reading materials.

Re: Kindle App on iPhone

2012-03-24 Thread Sean Murphy
Hi all. What is the NFB, ACB, and other organisations who support print disable people doing about this? They have the funds and expertise to challenge it in a class action. I In relation to the number of people who have been restricted from reading Ebooks via this method is larger then Americ

Re: Kindle App on iPhone

2012-03-24 Thread Ray Foret Jr
Say Steve, your reply appears to be way at the bottom of the message. Unless i am mistaken, it seems to be common practice to set one's e-mail client to set the reply at the top of the message. Less scroling down. Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!! Now a very proud and happy Mac use

Re: Kindle App on iPhone

2012-03-24 Thread Steve Holmes
On Thu, Mar 22, 2012 at 07:03:30PM -0700, Jamie Tachiyama wrote: > They get around it by making the Kindle for PC app accessible. > > > On 3/22/12, Hank Smith wrote: > > so because of stupid drm copy write crap the blind can't read the ebooks? > > On 3/22/2012 6:30 PM, Esther wrote: > >> Hi Jeff

Re: Kindle App on iPhone

2012-03-24 Thread Eric Oyen
Technology from a blindness perspective! > www.mainmenu.acbradio.org > www.twitter.com/mainmenu > > - Original Message - From: "Ricardo Walker" > To: > Sent: Friday, March 23, 2012 8:53 PM > Subject: Re: Kindle App on iPhone > > > lol, >

Re: Kindle App on iPhone

2012-03-23 Thread Ricardo Walker
iness > until they wise up and change Kindell. > > > David Tanner - Host > MainMenu > Technology from a blindness perspective! > www.mainmenu.acbradio.org > www.twitter.com/mainmenu > > - Original Message ----- From: "Ricardo Walker" > To: > Se

Re: Kindle App on iPhone

2012-03-23 Thread David Tanner
From: "Ricardo Walker" To: Sent: Friday, March 23, 2012 8:53 PM Subject: Re: Kindle App on iPhone lol, I agree its stupid but, I doubt these people huddled up in a corner and said, " lets figure out away to steel money from a population base which extremely small, and ha

Re: Kindle App on iPhone

2012-03-23 Thread Eric Oyen
thats the very point: MONEY. to them, the 25 million of us that are print disabled aren't a large enough market to worry about. considering how many people actually read in the US, our population is roughly 10% of the overall population. that is a non-trivial market. If they simply allowed us to

Re: Kindle App on iPhone

2012-03-23 Thread Ricardo Walker
lol, I agree its stupid but, I doubt these people huddled up in a corner and said, " lets figure out away to steel money from a population base which extremely small, and has a 70% unemployment rate. I just think their paranoid about sighted people taking advantage of this, not how to make an

Re: Kindle App on iPhone

2012-03-23 Thread Hank Smith
if any one does start a law sute count me in. this is friggen rediculiss. On 3/23/2012 5:30 PM, Eric Oyen wrote: that has already happened. you can't play it out loud because they have already declared it a public performance. even the protests in front of the American Authors Guild HQ a couple

Re: Kindle App on iPhone

2012-03-23 Thread Eric Oyen
that has already happened. you can't play it out loud because they have already declared it a public performance. even the protests in front of the American Authors Guild HQ a couple of years back didn't even sway them. they did offer to setup a registry of blind people that purchase from Amazon

Re: Kindle App on iPhone

2012-03-23 Thread Adie
Hi all I first cane across this when I looked into the speech on the Kindle itself, when it first came out with that function and couldn't believe the attitude of the Authors' Guild. It seems to me, if you buy a book, it shouldn't matter a damn whether you want to access the text by looking at a s

Re: Kindle App on iPhone

2012-03-22 Thread Esther
Hi Ray, You're correct that the policy of blocking VoiceOver access to eBook content in the Kindle app arises from the Author's Guild suit, but the guild is mostly worried about readers who are not visually impaired making use of these text-to-speech capabilities to listen to ebooks instead of

Re: Kindle App on iPhone

2012-03-22 Thread Jamie Tachiyama
They get around it by making the Kindle for PC app accessible. On 3/22/12, Hank Smith wrote: > so because of stupid drm copy write crap the blind can't read the ebooks? > On 3/22/2012 6:30 PM, Esther wrote: >> Hi Jeff, >> >> There are a number of ebook apps that specifically disable VoiceOver's

Re: Kindle App on iPhone

2012-03-22 Thread Ray Foret Jr
That's not quite true. It's not because of copy right. The truth is this. It's because of the Author's guild. They don't want the blind to be able to read their books without extra costs. Their twisted reasoning is that the text to speech tecnhology will rob them of sales. Every single org

Re: Kindle App on iPhone

2012-03-22 Thread Esther
Hi Hank, The issue for the Kindle app is that the Author's Guild brought suit when Amazon added text-to-speech functionality to the second generation Kindle. One of the consequences was that subsequently, only ebooks where text-to-speech access is specifically granted can have this turned on f

Re: Kindle App on iPhone

2012-03-22 Thread Hank Smith
so because of stupid drm copy write crap the blind can't read the ebooks? On 3/22/2012 6:30 PM, Esther wrote: Hi Jeff, There are a number of ebook apps that specifically disable VoiceOver's ability to access the content in order to preserve digital rights management. This is also true if you

Re: Kindle App on iPhone

2012-03-22 Thread Esther
Hi Jeff, There are a number of ebook apps that specifically disable VoiceOver's ability to access the content in order to preserve digital rights management. This is also true if you try to use the Barnes & Noble Nook app, for example. You'll notice that usually you can access everything exce

Re: Kindle App on iPhone

2012-03-22 Thread Ray Foret Jr
Forget it. It ain't gonna happen. It ain't accessible at all. Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!! Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!! Skype name: barefootedray Facebook: facebook.com/ray.foretjr.1 On Mar 22, 2012, at 7:38 PM, Jeff Berwick wrote: > Hi All, > > I downloaded the