Re: Getting to the top of the messages table in the mail

2017-11-18 Thread Arthur Gindin
I use a mouse with a dial in the middle to get to the top of the mail list. Would this help? I monitor this webspace for my blind g’daughter. A gindin > On Oct 29, 2017, at 1:44 PM, Mary Otten wrote: > > Well, I'm sure they are correct that more people will use the navigation as > opposed

RE: Getting to the top of the messages table in the mail

2017-10-30 Thread Simon Fogarty
017 6:56 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Getting to the top of the messages table in the mail Hmmm. Have you ever done a PRAM reset? From E.T.'s Keyboard. . . "God for you is where you sweep away all the mysteries of the world, all the challenges to o

Re: Getting to the top of the messages table in the mail

2017-10-29 Thread Donna Goodin
That's too bad about the localization issue. Must be frustrating. Cheers, Donna > On Oct 29, 2017, at 12:58 PM, Anne Robertson wrote: > > I haven’t yet installed High Sierra on my own computer mainly because of the > language switching. I’ve put High Sierra on our teaching machine and it seems

Re: Getting to the top of the messages table in the mail

2017-10-29 Thread Donna Goodin
Yes, and I try to avoid it when at all possible. That one at least kind of makes sense, though, because you wouldn't want someone to do it by accident. Cheers, Donna > On Oct 29, 2017, at 12:56 PM, E.T. wrote: > > Hmmm. Have you ever done a PRAM reset? > > From E.T.'s Keyboard. . . > "God f

Re: Getting to the top of the messages table in the mail

2017-10-29 Thread Anne Robertson
I haven’t yet installed High Sierra on my own computer mainly because of the language switching. I’ve put High Sierra on our teaching machine and it seems that they think that the automatic language switching should be sufficient, but of course it isn’t. It only seems to work in HTML and only wh

Re: Getting to the top of the messages table in the mail

2017-10-29 Thread E.T.
Hmmm. Have you ever done a PRAM reset? From E.T.'s Keyboard. . . "God for you is where you sweep away all the mysteries of the world, all the challenges to our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off and say God did it." --Carl Sagan E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com On 10/29/2017

Re: Getting to the top of the messages table in the mail

2017-10-29 Thread Donna Goodin
Hmm. It's doable, but I see Mary's point, that is a lot of keys. Sometimes I think that when VO commands are being decided, there's someone who must think all blind people have ten extra fingers. Cheers, Donna > On Oct 29, 2017, at 12:51 PM, E.T. wrote: > > VO command shift. > > From E.T.'

Re: Getting to the top of the messages table in the mail

2017-10-29 Thread E.T.
VO command shift. From E.T.'s Keyboard. . . "God for you is where you sweep away all the mysteries of the world, all the challenges to our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off and say God did it." --Carl Sagan E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com On 10/29/2017 10:48 AM, Donna Good

Re: Getting to the top of the messages table in the mail

2017-10-29 Thread E.T.
I imagine there is something on Applevis. From E.T.'s Keyboard. . . "God for you is where you sweep away all the mysteries of the world, all the challenges to our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off and say God did it." --Carl Sagan E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com On 10/29/2

Re: Getting to the top of the messages table in the mail

2017-10-29 Thread E.T.
Change comes with a price. I masted the new VO command fairly quickly. For me this is next to minor compared to other functions in High Sierra. Still a work in progress. From E.T.'s Keyboard. . . "God for you is where you sweep away all the mysteries of the world, all the challenges to

Re: Getting to the top of the messages table in the mail

2017-10-29 Thread Donna Goodin
So what is the new command for the language rotor? I, too, switch between languages frequently. Cheers, Donna > On Oct 29, 2017, at 12:45 PM, Mary Otten wrote: > > Is there a list somewhere of the things that have changed between Sierra and > High Sierra? I'm talking video keyboard commands he

Re: Getting to the top of the messages table in the mail

2017-10-29 Thread Mary Otten
Is there a list somewhere of the things that have changed between Sierra and High Sierra? I'm talking video keyboard commands here, like the language one. Mary Sent from my iPhone > On Oct 29, 2017, at 10:40 AM, E.T. wrote: > > That was actually a nice change unless one is constantly changi

Re: Getting to the top of the messages table in the mail

2017-10-29 Thread Mary Otten
Well, I'm sure they are correct that more people will use the navigation as opposed to the language thing. But I use the language thing a lot between English and Russian, and now they've messed it up even to the point where the voices you use don't sit next to each other like they used to, even

Re: Getting to the top of the messages table in the mail

2017-10-29 Thread E.T.
That was actually a nice change unless one is constantly changing voice settings. The navigation rotor is quite useful. I know many people freaked out over the change to the VO command used to invoke the speech rotor. From E.T.'s Keyboard. . . "God for you is where you sweep away all the

Re: Getting to the top of the messages table in the mail

2017-10-29 Thread Mary Otten
I'm not sure what all commands have changed, except I'm sure about the language one, which is really kind of a nuisance. If you don't need multiple languages I guess it won't bother you. I'm not sure why they changed it. Obviously something took over what used to be the rotor thing to be able to

Re: Getting to the top of the messages table in the mail

2017-10-29 Thread Donna Goodin
Glad it worked, Mary. Also glad it hasn't changed - it sounds like some commands have changed in High Sierra. Guess I'll have to upgrade one of these days. Cheers, Donna > On Oct 28, 2017, at 5:48 PM, Mary Otten wrote: > > Thanks, Donna. That worked. It has not changed in High Sierra. It is ju

Re: Getting to the top of the messages table in the mail

2017-10-29 Thread Andrew Lamanche
It’s option+command+up arrow and down arrow respectively. Andrew > On Oct 28, 2017, at 11:07 PM, Mary Otten wrote: > > Having upgraded my Mac to high Sierra, I thought I would give mail another > chance on this machine. However, I cannot remember or figure out by randomly > trying different k

Re: Getting to the top of the messages table in the mail

2017-10-28 Thread Mary Otten
Thanks, Donna. That worked. It has not changed in High Sierra. It is just that I had given up on the mail app in Sierra and done most everything on my phone, because mail just gave me the busy busy thing pretty much all of the time. Mary -- The following information is important for all membe

Re: Getting to the top of the messages table in the mail

2017-10-28 Thread Donna Goodin
Mary, I have not yet upgraded to High Sierra, but in Sierra, command option up arrow will take you to the top of the message list. Command option down arrow will take you to the bottom. Cheers, Donna Sent from my iPhone > On Oct 28, 2017, at 5:07 PM, Mary Otten wrote: > > Having upgraded my