Re: Multilingual Braille tables under Lion

2011-09-03 Thread Paul Erkens
Hi Jeff, I would have no problem giving up symbols I know now, if you can be sure that finally, the same symbol holds throughout the whole world. So, to summarize, it's not the technical issues hlding us back, but people not willing to have something changed in favor of the international communi

Re: Multilingual Braille tables under Lion

2011-09-02 Thread Geoff Shang
On Thu, 1 Sep 2011, Paul Erkens wrote: So, given the 4-byte representation of characters in utf8 unicode, a braille table could easily be made up based on that character set. This would of course imply that some braille dot patterns would occur more than once in unicode, because an accented le

Re: Multilingual Braille tables under Lion

2011-09-01 Thread Paul Erkens
Hi Jeff, So, given the 4-byte representation of characters in utf8 unicode, a braille table could easily be made up based on that character set. This would of course imply that some braille dot patterns would occur more than once in unicode, because an accented letter in Polish, looks the same i

Re: Multilingual Braille tables under Lion

2011-08-31 Thread Georges Zaynoun
off offline to see how his wife has achieved this. To all of you who are having problems with Braille tables under Lion, please let Apple Accessibility know but please also acknowledge their work they have done for blind users thus far. The inclusion of multilingual Braille tables under Lion - im

Re: Multilingual Braille tables under Lion

2011-08-31 Thread Annie Skov Nielsen
Hi Geoff. But as I understand, you would get difficulties if you wants to use grade two translation, there you can not use an unicode table. Best regards Annie. Den Sep 1, 2011 kl. 12:10 AM skrev Geoff Shang: > On Tue, 30 Aug 2011, Paul Erkens wrote: > >> But what I never understood was the un

Re: Multilingual Braille tables under Lion

2011-08-31 Thread Geoff Shang
On Tue, 30 Aug 2011, Paul Erkens wrote: But what I never understood was the unicode thing you mention. Is unicode sort of an extended version of ascii? Unicode is the idea that all possible symbols can be represented in the same character set. As you identified in your message, there are o

Re: Multilingual Braille tables under Lion

2011-08-31 Thread Simon Cavendish
who are having problems with Braille tables under Lion, please let Apple Accessibility know but please also acknowledge their work they have done for blind users thus far. The inclusion of multilingual Braille tables under Lion - imperfect as it may be - is a huge step forward, and I personally have b

Re: Multilingual Braille tables under Lion

2011-08-31 Thread Annie Skov Nielsen
Hi Anne. Why has apple not asked some of us braille users for help in the process of creating the braille. It is annoying now, and a heavy work for us and for apple with all the corrections. I have really many in danish braille. I would have loved to helped apple to avoid all these bugs. Apple

Re: Multilingual Braille tables under Lion

2011-08-31 Thread Anne Robertson
Hello Paul, The information about the Braille tables is in the System Library. The tables used are Duxbury from 2007 and do not comply with the French worldwide standard, which is what I'm most familiar with. Cheers, Anne On 31 Aug 2011, at 13:50, Paul Erkens wrote: > Hi Anne, > How are the

Re: Multilingual Braille tables under Lion

2011-08-31 Thread Paul Erkens
Hi Anne, How are these Apple braille tables out of date? Where does their out of dateness show? Paul. On Aug 31, 2011, at 12:41 PM, Anne Robertson wrote: > Hello Annie, > > The Braille tables in Lion are from Duxbury and are out of date. > > Cheers, > > Anne > > > On 31 Aug 2011, at 12:06,

Re: Multilingual Braille tables under Lion

2011-08-31 Thread Anne Robertson
Hello Annie, The Braille tables in Lion are from Duxbury and are out of date. Cheers, Anne On 31 Aug 2011, at 12:06, Annie Skov Nielsen wrote: > Hi. > > I am using danish and english, I have the same problem. Why do apple not > include a function so you can choose to add a braille table to

Re: Multilingual Braille tables under Lion

2011-08-31 Thread Annie Skov Nielsen
Hi. I am using danish and english, I have the same problem. Why do apple not include a function so you can choose to add a braille table to a specific voice, when my braille table would change when I change voice/language. In a way that works better on the IPhone. I wonder where apple has got

Re: Multilingual Braille tables under Lion

2011-08-31 Thread Geoff Shang
On Tue, 30 Aug 2011, Simon Cavendish wrote: Under Snow Leopard, we had Braille tables provided by Archie Robertson from Cecimac - free gift from this generous person. It had a unicode Braille table as well as many other language tables, and this problem did not arise there. The unicode Braille

Re: Multilingual Braille tables under Lion

2011-08-30 Thread Nektarios Mallas
Hello Simon! I have the exact same problem and concern with you on this matter. I am a native Greek speaker but I read and write in English as well. I saw this happening on my macbook pro which I updated to use Lion, and that's the reason I keep my iMac with the older OS. I will Emaill Apple a

Re: Multilingual Braille tables under Lion

2011-08-30 Thread Paul Erkens
Hi Simon, Yes I'm having the same issue when having documents open in 2 languages at the same time. When translating from German into Dutch for example, it would be nice to have just 1 braille table, that can display Dutch accented letters as well as the German ones, at the same time. Bu

Multilingual Braille tables under Lion

2011-08-30 Thread Simon Cavendish
Dear Listers, This message is primarily for those who use Braille with a Braille display under Lion and who need to use Braille in foreign languages, especially those languages that use non-Latin characters. In my case, it is Greek and Russian. I am not sure whether anyone has noticed but unde