A few years ago I had a jawbone headset, I thought it was an era
When I was researching the device it was stated by jawbone that they worked
with DARPA to develop their headsets for milatry use.
One of the reasons I went for the product at the time.
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Interesting,
I'm only really getting started with macs but the hardware is excelant and the
OS brilliant, but I can't go past the windows OS and jaws for power use with my
servers, however most of that would be due to lack of time with OSX server.
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I do admit the phone sounds great for an entry level device, but I wont be
going back from my 6s+
As for the iPad Pro 9.7,
Currently I think the pro is over rated after using or at least trying to use
one for a few hours.
The 12 inch is just to large.
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I thought the four finger swipe was a multitasking gesture
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Sent: Thursday, 24 March 2016 12:44 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: the 4-finger swipe
Yes it has an internet
Ramy moustafa saber
Musicc instructor at:
faculty of musical education
music arranger and sound engineer
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> On Mar 24, 2016, at 3:02 AM, E.T. wrote:
>
> You do have the Windows version installed? I have not had that happen. Does
> Windows have intern
http://www.applevis.com/forum/accessibility-advocacy/opinion-apple-needs-step-it-when-it-comes-os-x-accessibility
On Wed, Mar 23, 2016 at 2:24 PM Jonathan Cohn wrote:
> Well, if you can actually get to the point where VO says interacting with
> edit text, then vo-L will work.
>
> Tested on the fu
I am in the process now of doing a clean L Install on a test comp that I have
laying around. It's a 2011 21 inch iMac. I have just downloaded the el cap
Installer and plan to do the clean install tomorrow, and restore apps and docs
from a time machine backup.
I'll let you know how it goes ET. I
Thanks ever so much.
Rhonda
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Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2016 9:16 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: security settings on the mac where are they?
do a v o m and in the ap
do a v o m and in the apple menu arrow down to system prefferences
in this window interact with the window and arrow with vo arrow right to you
land on security and vo spacebar on it
now your in the window and look and see what you want to do.
> On Mar 23, 2016, at 18:12 PM, Rhonda Partain wrote:
System Preferences.
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I amtrying to test a program and mac says my security settings only
allow apps from the app store, h
I am trying to test a program and mac says my security settings only allow
apps from the app store, how can I change this and where? I am new to the
mac so detailed instructions would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks in advance.
Rhonda
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On 3/23/2016 5:51 PM, Ramy Moustafa wrote:
Hello sir:
i go
I just experienced that in 10.11.4 Facebook navigation with j/k keys to move
in your feed only provides feedback when in “GrouP” mode of web browsing.
Changing to this also allowed me to have the Gmail web site properly respond to
N and P when in conversation mode. It still is not as efficien
Hello sir:
i got the mac off line installer, and i use it, and it works, but on
vmware windows, it's not working, at all.
i put my email and password, but the sign in is always unavailable.
any ideas on why this happened?
On 3/24/16, E.T. wrote:
> Ramy,
> You might want to go back to the Drop
Jonathan,
I almost never deal with my Gmail account from the web. I guess I can change
my Archive mailbox from All Mail to Trash on my phone and at least stop the
damage from now on. Other than that, it doesn’t look like I have many options.
Again, I never considered the solution to reside o
Well, it seems the settings on the google Gmail web page are significantly
smaller than I remember.
I saw an option to limit map box sizes but not pop.
Also, in terms of the Archive/All mail folder, that is what Google wants us to
do save everything forever so we they can create more effective
Hello everyone,
My thoughts on the Apple keynote are positive. I like how the CEO did not
spend very much time discussing the company's position concerning the
recent debate over iOS security and the Government of the USA. I like how
his point was clear and succinct. The only thing I was intere
Jonathan,
I just discovered something I didn’t know before. Apparently, when i delete an
e-mail from my Gmail account on my iPhone, it goes to the Archive Mailbox. On
further research, the Archive mailbox is All Mail, not Trash. This appears to
mean that all e-mails, both those which I mean
Jonathan,
I can’t seem to find Google Configurations. Is that somewhere on the iPhone
under Mail, Contacts, Calendars? When I look at my Gmail account there, I do
find an iMap prefix under Advance. There is nothing written there. There is
also no place where the account is identified as eit
Ramy,
You might want to go back to the Dropbox site and download the
offline installer for Windows. I run it on both the Mac and Windows. The
Mac version will be added to the Finder. Its also on menu extras.
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Well, just tips and tricks to make jobs easier on the Macintosh. It is not
supposed to be for programmers.
The Sample chapter available on the Website, which is the only one I have read
talks about using tags and spotlight to find work you need.
They suggest for example that when you save a re
Alright I cam try these ideas. from easiest to hardest. I have a
2012 so probably cannot use diagnostics.
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On 3/23/2016 4:00 PM, Jonathan Cohn wrote:
First thing you
Hello all:
I depend on dropbox app on all my home and work,
and now I'm using my MacBook pro, running VMware with windows 7, I
try installing the dropbox on my VMware widnows, but could not sign
in, don't know why,
so I decided to install it on the mac os,.
but I have a question:
how can I see th
It's working thanks so much
On 3/15/16, E.T. wrote:
> Command E, with Windows not running. Find the Processors and Memory
> button. There you can change how much memory to split between Windows
> and OS X.
>
> Do not forget that there is also a menu item for VMware on the menu
> bar.
>
>
I believe this is a setting in Google configurations. Are you sure your new
phone is still using POP? The IMAP protocol has been in more favour recently
since it will keep everything in sync.
Perhaps if you delete your gmail account, disable IMAP service from the Gmail
settings and then re-add
Hi all,
I'm recently in need for an ipad pro for mobile one-to-one or a small
group presentations.
I'm looking on the ipad pro 9.7 and the ipad pro 12.9.
For the screen wise, I do prefer the 12.9" screen, however, I do like
the specification for the ipad pro 9.7".
For those that have both ipad
So if shift 2 is not @ how do you create e-mail address? If you type vo-@ will
that create a hotspot?
Best wishes,
Jonathan
> On 21 Mar 2016, at 10:11, Anders Holmberg wrote:
>
> Hi!
> On my mac its hotspot number 2 that does not work.
> But if i change to English US it works like a charm.
First thing you need to do is see if the slowness is related to an account or
to the entire computer. Create or use a second account for an hour and see if
performance lags in that account too. If it does, then I would suggest you try
a diagnostic check which probably needs to be done sighted
accessibil...@apple.com.
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> On Mar 23, 2016, at 2:32 PM, Helga Schreiber
> wrote:
>
> Hi, This is Helga! Thanks so much fo rletting me know! I don't usually use
> iBooks, but I was thinking in using it in the future! And i currently have
> IOS 9.3. So I will try to contact
Was it any one thing or a combination of things? Since I installed
El Cap (was not quite a true clean install) I experience some anomalies
and may actually do a clean install which I am not looking forward to.
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Hi, This is Helga! Thanks so much fo rletting me know! I don't usually use
iBooks, but I was thinking in using it in the future! And i currently have IOS
9.3. So I will try to contact apple regardin gthis! Who do I contact in ordr to
fix this issue? I'm just wondering! I look forward in hearing
I had my speedy new MacBook Air (I actually called it speedy), start going into
slow state whenever I opened a menu item or switched / added a window. The
performance steady degraded the more it was used.
Thanks to some wonderful help from the accessibility desk, not only is my
computer respond
I haven’t heard the event yet. Is there a new watch coming out yet?
> On 23 Mar 2016, at 18:47, Sabahattin Gucukoglu wrote:
>
> I was downgrading my main Mac to Yosemite at the time of the event, and had
> to catch up using the Apple Keynotes podcast. There were exactly two things
> I got out
Well, if you can actually get to the point where VO says interacting with edit
text, then vo-L will work.
Tested on the full gmail site, by typing “/line nav” and then doing interact
with until I heard interact with text edit. Those funky combo boxes like on the
google home page don’t seem to w
I was thinking maybe zoom on the roter settings will help
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> On Mar 23, 2016, at 3:13 PM, M. Taylor wrote:
>
> Hello Everyone,
>
> I am cross-posting this notice.
>
> To my dismay, I can confirm that the iOS 9.3 native camera app zoom is still
> not voiceOver accessible.
>
I have installed it on my Mac, personally I do not see any difference, but
maybe perhaps they solved under the hood. I heard live photos will be
available, but I am not sure.
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> On Mar 23, 2016, at 4:17 PM, Denise Barajas wrote:
>
> I've installed it, but I don't see mch of
Hi!
Any new braille features.
/A
> 23 mars 2016 kl. 13:56 skrev Devin Prater :
>
> I've not noticed any difference in Alex for the Mac.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Mar 23, 2016, at 2:09 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote:
>>
>> Hi Ray,
>>
>> I fully agree,
>>
>> I've only been using macs for a few
I've installed it, but I don't see mch of a difference. the only thing that is
currently odd is that VO sometimes goes from speaking through my internal
speakers from the USB. It's every so offten, so I'll try and flip VO off and on
again to see if that fixes the issue. blessings to all.
> On Ma
I just took a quick look on the web and did not see any reference to
the iPad Pro replacing the Mac. What Tim Cook may have suggested was
that the new iPad Pro would do in Windows. Sounds like typical
competition to me.
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I totally agree with you.
You know this is just human nature i think. We are borned vain and thats how it
gonna be until judgement day.
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> 22 mars 2016 kl. 16:42 skrev Jenine Stanley :
>
> I really think in terms of these presentaitons that we consumers are our own
> worst enemy. We now *e
HI!
I believe the apple car when i see it.
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> 22 mars 2016 kl. 16:17 skrev E.T. :
>
> Would the Apple Cart not be blazing new trails? (smiles)
>
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Hello Everyone,
I am cross-posting this notice.
To my dismay, I can confirm that the iOS 9.3 native camera app zoom is still
not voiceOver accessible.
This feature has not been VoiceOver accessible since iOS 8.1.3, if memory
serves.
In order to zoom in on an image, one has to first disable Vo
Okay, Because this may effect others, I am going to cross post this.
After reading this thread, I discovered that there appears to be a bug in
iBooks iOS 9.3.
When the Purchases Tab is activated, in iBooks, the display changes to a
list view as follows:
Updates, Books, then Audio Books.
If one
Thanks for whoever mentioned you can do this gesture vertically or
horizontally. Vertically is easier but it’s still intermittant for me on the 6S
Jenine Stanley
dragonwalke...@gmail.com
> On Mar 23, 2016, at 3:07 PM, Sandra E. Finley wrote:
>
> I like this gesture. It enables you to move fr
I like this gesture. It enables you to move from app to app without wearing
out your home button.
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> On Mar 23, 2016, at 12:01 PM, Traci Duncan wrote:
>
> I love this gesture! :) I thought I’d point out, that yes, we swipe left or
> right, but your 4 fingers can be verti
I was downgrading my main Mac to Yosemite at the time of the event, and had to
catch up using the Apple Keynotes podcast. There were exactly two things I got
out of the address:
1. The Mac is dead. The iPad Pro is clearly set to kill it, and Apple wants
to be in the driver’s seat when that h
This gets tricky. Sure consumers can provide lots of useful feedback for
things that should work but have bugs or tweaks to an existing product.
For something revolutionary I won't know I like it until it actually
exists and I can try it. Who knew a touch screen UI could be so useful?
I was ple
Hi,
I absolutely do not believe this bone conduction thing. I have a pair of the
Blues as well, and there is no change in sound quality if I pull the headset
apart enough so that nothing touches my face. Try it yourself and tell me if
you notice a difference. That said, the speakers blasting an
So jawbone is actually a pretty good name because it pings your jawbone to
detect activity. Most people are not aware of bone conduction. Out side of
our community the military is probably the only user.
In later versions of the jawbone like the Era the censor is not absolutely
required. It
Scott,
Thanks for the clearification! The name Jawbone is a little bit misleading.
I still dont want to be bothered to keep the sensor on my jaw or cheek.
How does it look like, how long is such divice as the Era?
Ronald
> Op 23 mrt. 2016, om 13:35 heeft Scott Granados het
> volgende ges
Hi Scott,
Works pretty well for me, must have the volume turned up high though. Unless it
has some noise cancelling after all… Dont know for sure.
Ronald
> Op 23 mrt. 2016, om 13:33 heeft Scott Granados het
> volgende geschreven:
>
> Ronald, you don’t find you need noise reduction on public
I love this gesture! :) I thought I’d point out, that yes, we swipe left or
right, but your 4 fingers can be vertical or horizontal. I just opened 3 apps
& tried this. For me, having my 4 fingers vertical is a lot easier & more
comfortable on the slender 6s screen.
HTH, Traci
> On Mar 23,
Steve Jobs is dead and buried, let him RIP. The only constant in
life is change. Like it or not, that is a proven fact.
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Works on the iPhone 5 too.
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On 3/23/2016 2:25 AM, Ray Foret jr wrote:
YOu sure the four finger swipe works on the iPhone 6 or 6+? I guess it must
only work on the 6
I doon't noticce any differences either. The biggest issue I'm still
noticing which has been in El Capitan from the beginning is, in Safari,
when typing text in to an edit field, pressing vo+l to read the current
line does not work.
Original message:
I was hoping that some web-related accessibi
It's a good reference book for pages, well worth the price. IMO
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> On Mar 23, 2016, at 7:12 AM, Anne Robertson wrote:
>
> Hello Jim,
>
> In TextEdit, there are preset tab stops but they don’t change the actual
> margin.
> In Pages, you should create a new paragraph style w
No. Alex just loads automatically.
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built-in
Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray
Still a very happy Mac, Verizon Wireless iPhone6+ and Apple TV user!
> On Mar 23, 2016, at 8:19 AM, Terje Strømberg wrote:
>
> O
It sounds like a lot more people were interested in the 4 inch phone than I
thought.
Not sure it needed a full on event to roll out but maybe Apple will have a hit
on it’s hands based on the response.
> On Mar 23, 2016, at 9:40 AM, Anders Holmberg wrote:
>
> Hi!
> The only new thing to me was
Hi!
The only new thing to me was the Iphone SE or what its called.
I always wanted a 4 inch iphone with the same processor as the 6s.
/A
> On 22 Mar 2016, at 13:32, Scott Granados wrote:
>
> Wonder if anyone else felt the way I did. The event seemed to be a total
> waste of time. Watch bands,
On mac, do i need to do some settings to get the best quality Alex voice?
Take care
> 23. mar. 2016 kl. 13.56 skrev Devin Prater :
>
> I've not noticed any difference in Alex for the Mac.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Mar 23, 2016, at 2:09 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote:
>>
>> Hi Ray,
>>
>> I f
Read more here
http://bgr.com/2016/03/23/apple-vs-fbi-crack-iphone-encryption/
Looks like Cellebrite is to blame.
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I've not noticed any difference in Alex for the Mac.
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> On Mar 23, 2016, at 2:09 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote:
>
> Hi Ray,
>
> I fully agree,
>
> I've only been using macs for a few years because I needed to learn them for
> work.
>
> Now I'm one of the 5 people my office com
You swipe left and right. I finally did get it to work but for me it’s going to
take a fair amount of practice. It’s really cool when it works though because
it just opens the previous or next app without going to the app switcher.
Jenine Stanley
dragonwalke...@gmail.com
> On Mar 23, 2016, at
i just got off the phone with apple support acccessibility, and if you have
apps in the app switcher running i.e. open he did the 4 finger swip with voice
over running and it switched to the other app it worked perfect for him with v
o running
> On Mar 23, 2016, at 5:15 AM, Alex Hall wrote:
>
To be clear, the jawbone does not * use * bone induction. Not even close.
There is a small censor that rests on your cheek / jawbone that is a noise
gate. When you speak one of the first things that happens before sound leaves
your mouth is your jaw starts to move. That movement triggers the
Ronald, you don’t find you need noise reduction on public transit and out and
about? I’m surprised. Glad you like the headset though, good suggestion and
great price point.
> On Mar 22, 2016, at 3:23 PM, Ronald van Rhijn wrote:
>
> Just bought me a Plantronics Marque 2 (m165) single earpiece
Well look it’s not entirely Microsoft’s fault. I’ll be the first to bash the
folks in Redmond but in this case the NFB had a lot to do with it as well.
There were payoffs made by certain screen reader manufacturers to the NFB to
have the NFB protest the creation of built in accessibility. Aft
Max,
The Plantronics Marque 2 has a built in microphone for calling and Siri
commands. .
Ronald
> Op 22 mrt. 2016, om 21:55 heeft 'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries
> het volgende geschreven:
>
> ronald does that also have a microphone or is seri picking up your voice
> through its microphone.
You make a good point, I did like Tim Cook’s opening speech. That being said,
our Government waited for the event to be over and then announced they no
longer needed help cracking open the device.
Very interesting things going on in the background I like your point though,
aside from the open
The only problem with that is you’re running windows. Nothing turns a brand
new laptop in to last years model faster than installing windows.:)
> On Mar 22, 2016, at 2:59 PM, jeff `greene wrote:
>
> Hi, I too was disappointed! I wanted to see new macbooks! Like the
> article aI saw on digitalt
but it's not a VoiceOver gesture, so it wouldn't be recognized there at all.
It's a universal gesture that works with or without VoiceOver being active. In
fact, the only place (other than on your Home screen) it likely would NOT work
is in Practice Mode, because that mode catches every gesture
Well, I guess I'll have to retract my statement about the four finger swipe,
because when I tried just now, I had no luck"
I went into accessibility setings' and the voiceover practice area, and lo and
behold, the four finger swipe gesture was not recognized.
Rats!
Bob Hill
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I'll also add, sound flower is not an easy program for beginners. So I repeat
do! not! screw! up.
If you do this, you will run a risk of completely losing voiceover output as
well as all of your system audio. So just be careful
Sent from my iPhone
> On Mar 22, 2016, at 9:04 PM, Abdullah Ibrahim
Loopback is paid, if you want a free solution, use sound flower. If you want
help using it, feel free to email me off list
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> On Mar 22, 2016, at 9:04 PM, Abdullah Ibrahim Olivares
> wrote:
>
> Hello,
>
> Is there a way of using Audio Hijack to play an iTunes track within
Hello Jim,
In TextEdit, there are preset tab stops but they don’t change the actual margin.
In Pages, you should create a new paragraph style with the Left and First
indents set to the value you want.
All this and more is explained in our book on Pages which you can purchase for
$35 US here:
Hi Rey and listers,
I just tried the four-finger swipe on my iPhone 6 with 9.3, and it worked just
fine"
I did have to wait a bit for the apps to come into focus, but I was able to
cycle between messages, mail and NFB newsline.
Bob Hill
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> On Mar 23, 2016, at 5:25 A
Hi all!
Is there a way to set temporary margins in Text Edit, for instance if I am
typing a paragraph at the left margin then if I want the next few lines to be
indented 10 spaces or so is this doable in Text Edit?I thought there was a
ruler just like in pages but can't find it and don't know ho
YOu sure the four finger swipe works on the iPhone 6 or 6+? I guess it must
only work on the 6S and 6S+ because it sure doesn’t work for me on my 6+.
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Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray
Still a very happy
Hi all!
Does anyone have pointers for using the web interface for this group to search
for previously discussed topics? I have not had much luck but maybe somebody
else has pointers.
Thanks,
Jim
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Well, maybe they)Facebook) broke accessability again.. won’t be the first time,
unfortunately! Hopefully they will fix it in the next ncarnation of Facebook.
I find myself using the web rotar a lot with Facebook these days. Sometimes
the mobile site works better, but there seem to be things yo
Mary,
If it’s anything like my iPhone 6s then it’s great,
I’ve been running office 365 on my ipHone for more than a year now and it works
great with voiceover, I’ve only just put it on my iPad mini but it’s still very
accessible.
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Scott,
Would you say apple don't listen even though we can contact them when there is
an accessibility issue with a IOS or OSC system and they work quickly to
correct the issues.
Full stop they have listened enough to give us accessible platforms out of the
box.
What do Microsoft do for us?
But how do we know what we want until we see it in a Hollywood movie?
Steve Jobbs pulled apple out of trouble back in the 90's when he came back.
Since then they have lead the way with a lot of the IT development in personal
devices phones, computers and tablets,
Unless they find another for
Siri is going to be able to make coffee?
Awesome.
Where do I get one of those apple products?
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Sent: Wednesday, 23 March 2016 6:17 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Anyone
Yes that is something we in New Zealand can say is great, an unlocked device.
I never buy a locked to provider device.
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Sent: Wednesday, 23 March 2016 2:38 AM
To:
They still have wwdc in june / july which ever month it is.
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On Behalf Of Basioli George
Sent: Wednesday, 23 March 2016 2:26 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Anyone else dis
The 6s without peak / pop
Otherwise it's a 4 inch phone.
New entery level for those that don't have big pockets.
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Sent: Wednesday, 23 March 2016 2:08 AM
To: macvi
I'd like to see an iPad pro mini but a better apple pencil as I'm not overly
empressed by the current one, to long and weighty.
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Sent: Wednesday, 23 March 2016
Hey Scott,
Yeah I have to agree,
I thought it was kind of overkill leading up to it and then a real let down
once over,
I thought more of Tim Cooks opening speech than the iPhone se and iPad
presentations.
I did like the sound of the TV OS updates, exept for the fact that NZ doesn't
yet
Hi Ray,
I fully agree,
I've only been using macs for a few years because I needed to learn them for
work.
Now I'm one of the 5 people my office come to when they have mac issues and I
do most of the machine reinsatllations for my team and that's from start to
finish with a reconfiguration
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