Re: Flash and VO alternative

2009-04-19 Thread Greg Kearney
Why yes I can per a phone conversation I personally had with the parties involved at Adobe and confirmed by the staff of Vision Australia in Melbourne at the time. Greg Kearney 535 S. Jackson St. Casper, Wyoming 82601 307-224-4022 gkear...@gmail.com On 19/04/2009, at 9:29 PM, E.J. Zufelt w

Re: Flash and VO alternative

2009-04-19 Thread E.J. Zufelt
On 19-Apr-09, at 6:42 PM, Greg Kearney wrote: > > Flash support will have to come from Adobe and not Apple, and Adobe > has shown no interest, and in fact has been down right hostile to the > idea of doing so. Can you support your claim of hostility by Adobe with facts? Adobe makes a great de

Re: oldschool mac nostalgia

2009-04-19 Thread chantel cuddemi
Yeah, there's an emulator of it. On Apr 19, 2009, at 10:35 PM, Brandon Misch wrote: > > wasn't an old os named basculous or something? > On Apr 18, 2009, at 11:20 PM, Jessi Rathwell wrote: > >> >> lol really? a funeral? that's hilarious!! I wonder if there are >> youtube videos? haha. here lies O

Re: oldschool mac nostalgia

2009-04-19 Thread Brandon Misch
wasn't an old os named basculous or something? On Apr 18, 2009, at 11:20 PM, Jessi Rathwell wrote: > > lol really? a funeral? that's hilarious!! I wonder if there are > youtube videos? haha. here lies OS9.2.2, no name. it's served us > faithfuly for many months, but it is now time for it to rest

Re: vo crashes and answers to Re: oldschool mac nostalgia

2009-04-19 Thread Justin Harford
Wow back in my day it was like 40 US. "Don't worry about the world coming to an end today. It's already tomorrow in Australia." Charles Schultz, creator of the Peanuts comic strip. El 19/04/2009, a las 17:42, Jessi Rathwell escribió: > > hmm. maybe I'll look into it!! > peace and positivity

Re: vo crashes and answers to Re: oldschool mac nostalgia

2009-04-19 Thread Jessi Rathwell
hmm. maybe I'll look into it!! peace and positivity Jessi follow me on twitter www.twitter.com/canadian_diva On 19-Apr-09, at 3:21 PM, Scott Howell wrote: > > Apple makes a usb-based modem. Last I checked it was about $56 US. > On Apr 19, 2009, at 5:54 PM, Jessi Rathwell wrote: > >> >> oh, dang.

Re: vo crashes and answers to Re: oldschool mac nostalgia

2009-04-19 Thread Dan Eickmeier
Yeah they do have a USB modem available, however, in reading reviews on it, I'm not too sure about it. Does anyone on this list here have it, and if so have they had good luck with it? Some of the reviews, make the product seem like it's not even worth the money. On Apr 19, 2009, at 6:2

Re: Flash and VO alternative

2009-04-19 Thread ben mustill-rose
Personally, I think that alex needs a c coder. As far as adobe goes, its not nice of them, but I can't say I blaim them if they have a be in there bonnit with apple *cough Iphone cough* really. On 19/04/2009, Jessi Rathwell wrote: > > yeah, that's what I've heard, that they're really against th

Re: vo crashes and answers to Re: oldschool mac nostalgia

2009-04-19 Thread Scott Howell
Apple makes a usb-based modem. Last I checked it was about $56 US. On Apr 19, 2009, at 5:54 PM, Jessi Rathwell wrote: > > oh, dang. you read my mind, lol. I was thinking I could use it. I'm > lookin' for a dialup modem that works with USB. if such a thing even > exists! having to use my pc when I

Re: Flash and VO alternative

2009-04-19 Thread Jessi Rathwell
yeah, that's what I've heard, that they're really against the idea. how did they get it working half decently with windows, then? were the adobe people more willing to work with windows or did the windows screenreader developers do it themselves? and if they did, why can't apple developers

Re: vo crashes and answers to Re: oldschool mac nostalgia

2009-04-19 Thread Jessi Rathwell
oh, dang. you read my mind, lol. I was thinking I could use it. I'm lookin' for a dialup modem that works with USB. if such a thing even exists! having to use my pc when I'm at my cabin is just not cool. I wouldn't mind so much if it was a decently working pc, but it's almost as bad as my

Re: vo crashes and answers to Re: oldschool mac nostalgia

2009-04-19 Thread Jessi Rathwell
lol so glad you showed Matthew the good side. I wish I could help you. I'd be glad too if I lived closer. I'd love to show people the wonders of voiceover. peace and positivity Jessi follow me on twitter www.twitter.com/canadian_diva On 19-Apr-09, at 2:41 PM, Alex Jurgensen wrote: > > Hi, > >

Re: oldschool mac nostalgia

2009-04-19 Thread Jessi Rathwell
hey now!!! I'm much more than a number. lol. my student number does not define me. lol. and nor should these numbers of these old OS's. they should stand up for their rights to be named! lol peace and positivity Jessi follow me on twitter www.twitter.com/canadian_diva On 19-Apr-09, at 2:38 PM,

Re: oldschool mac nostalgia

2009-04-19 Thread Jessi Rathwell
was it accessible? cuz I'm thinking, if they've got the engine built and customized for mac, wouldn't it be easy to tweek it a little and integrade accessibility to firefox? peace and positivity Jessi follow me on twitter www.twitter.com/canadian_diva On 19-Apr-09, at 2:38 PM, Alex Jurgensen w

Re: oldschool mac nostalgia

2009-04-19 Thread Jessi Rathwell
lol. well, if we can convince skytrain to expand and come all the way out here so I'm not stuck in this boring prison town, I'll gladly come over to your house and see it! peace and positivity Jessi follow me on twitter www.twitter.com/canadian_diva On 19-Apr-09, at 2:37 PM, Alex Jurgensen wro

Re: vo crashes and answers to Re: oldschool mac nostalgia

2009-04-19 Thread Alex Jurgensen
Hi, Yes. Thanks, Alex, Jessi, It won't work for you with USB. It is for the old ADB connection I think. Thanks, Alex, On 18-Apr-09, at 11:16 PM, Jessi Rathwell wrote: > > a dialup modem? > On 18-Apr-09, at 11:09 PM, Alex Jurgensen wrote: > >> >> Hi, >> >> I have an old Apple compatable mo

Re: Flash and VO alternative

2009-04-19 Thread Greg Kearney
Flash support will have to come from Adobe and not Apple, and Adobe has shown no interest, and in fact has been down right hostile to the idea of doing so. Greg Kearney 535 S. Jackson St. Casper, Wyoming 82601 307-224-4022 gkear...@gmail.com On 19/04/2009, at 3:38 PM, Jessi Rathwell wrote:

Re: vo crashes and answers to Re: oldschool mac nostalgia

2009-04-19 Thread Alex Jurgensen
Hi, Matthew, one of my students has it saying "Yo Dude, ... Welcome" or something. In case yall didn't know I'm a tech teacher in BC now. Thanks, Alex, On 19-Apr-09, at 2:29 PM, Jessi Rathwell wrote: > > hahahaha! what's up, dude? that's cute, lol. I need to change mine! > right now it say

Re: Flash and VO alternative

2009-04-19 Thread Alex Jurgensen
Hi, Yes it is Open-Source. Thanks, Alex, On 19-Apr-09, at 2:38 PM, Jessi Rathwell wrote: > > sounds good, if we can do it, is it open source or something? > hopefully better flash support will be there in snow leopard! > peace and positivity > Jessi > follow me on twitter www.twitter.com/cana

Re: oldschool mac nostalgia

2009-04-19 Thread Alex Jurgensen
Hi, It is the same engine as Firefox. Thanks, Alex, On 19-Apr-09, at 2:27 PM, Jessi Rathwell wrote: > > hmmm, sounds interesting!! it must be one of the rarer browsers, lol. > cuz I never see any pages like if you have camino, click here for > optimal page performance! lol. > peace and positi

Re: Flash and VO alternative

2009-04-19 Thread Jessi Rathwell
sounds good, if we can do it, is it open source or something? hopefully better flash support will be there in snow leopard! peace and positivity Jessi follow me on twitter www.twitter.com/canadian_diva On 19-Apr-09, at 2:34 PM, Alex Jurgensen wrote: > > Hi, > > If we could make GNash accessible

Re: oldschool mac nostalgia

2009-04-19 Thread Alex Jurgensen
Hi, Jessi, Like students in a university. Lol. Thanks, Alex, On 19-Apr-09, at 2:30 PM, Jessi Rathwell wrote: > > aww. things that are just numbers make me sad. nothing should be just > a number. lol. > peace and positivity > Jessi > follow me on twitter www.twitter.com/canadian_diva > On 19-

Re: oldschool mac nostalgia

2009-04-19 Thread Alex Jurgensen
Hi, Jessi, It is called my server room. Full of like all this old stuff. Thanks, Alex, On 19-Apr-09, at 2:34 PM, Jessi Rathwell wrote: > > lol nice!!! man I wish we still had that old mac, I'd love so badly to > dig it up and see if it still worked lol. sadness. someone really > needs to put

Flash and VO alternative

2009-04-19 Thread Alex Jurgensen
Hi, If we could make GNash accessible on the Mac, it is an implimentation of Flash that we can modify. Sure it isn't full blown Flash support, but better than what we have now. What do you think? Thanks, Alex, --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this messag

Re: oldschool mac nostalgia

2009-04-19 Thread Jessi Rathwell
lol nice!!! man I wish we still had that old mac, I'd love so badly to dig it up and see if it still worked lol. sadness. someone really needs to put all these amazing old things in one room and we can all come visit. peace and positivity Jessi follow me on twitter www.twitter.com/canadian_d

Re: oldschool mac nostalgia

2009-04-19 Thread Jessi Rathwell
yeah, I get questions like that all the time. how easy it to do this? you use the mac for everything? wow. like they don't believe it can work or something. it's sad!! I know apple wasn't always known for its accessibility in the past but they're really really doing a complete 180 and chan

Re: oldschool mac nostalgia

2009-04-19 Thread Jessi Rathwell
aww. things that are just numbers make me sad. nothing should be just a number. lol. peace and positivity Jessi follow me on twitter www.twitter.com/canadian_diva On 19-Apr-09, at 7:49 AM, kaare dehard wrote: > > the old os's were just numbered, no nice marketing stuff like cat > names. Just a

Re: vo crashes and answers to Re: oldschool mac nostalgia

2009-04-19 Thread Jessi Rathwell
hahahaha! what's up, dude? that's cute, lol. I need to change mine! right now it says the boring welcome to macintosh. voiceover is running. I need a cute greeting. lol. peace and positivity Jessi follow me on twitter www.twitter.com/canadian_diva On 19-Apr-09, at 12:17 PM, Eliza Cooper wrote:

Re: oldschool mac nostalgia

2009-04-19 Thread Anne Robertson
Hello Eleni, (like the new name, by the way), We've just ordered the audio book from Amazon, they didn't refuse to sell it to France. It's a lot more expensive, though. But worth it, I'm sure. Cheers, Anne On Apr 19, 2009, at 10:28 PM, Tiffany D wrote: > Anne, you might wanna torrent that

Re: oldschool mac nostalgia

2009-04-19 Thread Jessi Rathwell
hmmm, sounds interesting!! it must be one of the rarer browsers, lol. cuz I never see any pages like if you have camino, click here for optimal page performance! lol. peace and positivity Jessi follow me on twitter www.twitter.com/canadian_diva On 19-Apr-09, at 2:23 PM, Alex Jurgensen wrote:

Re: oldschool mac nostalgia

2009-04-19 Thread Alex Jurgensen
Hi, It is like FF customized for Mac. It is still out there. It is like native FF for Mac made by Mozilla. Thanks, Alex, On 19-Apr-09, at 2:11 AM, Jessi Rathwell wrote: > > camino? hmm. never heard of it, lol. and IE? eww! lol. so glad safari > was invented!! haha. > peace and positivity >

Re: Self voicing e-mail for iPhone

2009-04-19 Thread Alex Jurgensen
Hi, An Apple representative who by the sounds of stuff is also a developer told me that they are trying to make the IPhone accessible to VIPs. They also confirmed the new voices for Snow Leopard. Thanks, Alex, thanks, Alex, On 19-Apr-09, at 5:54 AM, E.J. Zufelt wrote: > > Good morning, > >

Re: oldschool mac nostalgia

2009-04-19 Thread Jessi Rathwell
ooh, I'm jealous too!! I'd love to play with it and see what it was really like!! I didn't get the full experience when I was little. wow!!! peace and positivity Jessi follow me on twitter www.twitter.com/canadian_diva On 19-Apr-09, at 3:08 PM, Cameron wrote: > > Hi. I agree. Back in the day,

Re: oldschool mac nostalgia

2009-04-19 Thread Tiffany D
Oh my Gods Vert! I've got the disks and synth for it but I'll be damned if I can use it. It's more complicated than dos itself! I love the synth and wish I could use it for other stuff (same voice as the Language Master and the Keynote Voicecard) but unfortunately, it only works with Vert. Ann

RE: oldschool mac nostalgia

2009-04-19 Thread Cameron
Hi. I agree. Back in the day, When I used Outspoken on my Macintosh II S I, and then on my powerbook later, I was able to get many things done and I found it to be an efficient way to work. I really grew to like outspoken as well as my macs. I found outspoken's commands and implementation very

Re: vo crashes and answers to Re: oldschool mac nostalgia

2009-04-19 Thread Tiffany D
lol Mine says ya soo eleni but really in Greek with the Dimitris voice. Love it. On 19/04/2009, Eliza Cooper wrote: > > VO restarts on my Mac once every few days, I'd say, but I kind of find > it amusing. The volume doesn't change, but Alex greets me with > "What's up, dude?", and I love the w

Re: vo crashes and answers to Re: oldschool mac nostalgia

2009-04-19 Thread Eliza Cooper
VO restarts on my Mac once every few days, I'd say, but I kind of find it amusing. The volume doesn't change, but Alex greets me with "What's up, dude?", and I love the way he says it. It's as if he's just checking in on me hahaha. Eliza On Apr 19, 2009, at 12:08 AM, Tiffany D wrote:

Re: Accessible file sharing client

2009-04-19 Thread Brett Campbell
Thanks Guys, Utorrent came up the winner. It's much more accessible with VO than Bittorrent. I appreciate your suggestions. Brett On Apr 19, 2009, at 8:41 AM, kaare dehard wrote: > > try utorrent. it has both mac and pc versions that I have tried and > both are quite accessible. > > On 1

Re: vo crashes and answers to Re: oldschool mac nostalgia

2009-04-19 Thread Mark Baxter
Oh right on! :) If it wasn't for his Proterm talking terminal emulator, I wouldn't have become addicted to chat networks. I might still be a virgin, even. :) Mark BurningHawk Skype and Twitter: BurningHawk1969 MSN: burninghawk1...@hotmail.com My home page: http://MarkBurningHawk.net/ -

Re: vo crashes and answers to Re: oldschool mac nostalgia

2009-04-19 Thread Randy Stegall
I remember System 7 and OutSpoken. Macintalk would quit for some unknown reason and I'd have to restart my Mac. I remember that I had to set the color to black & white before OutSpoken would work properly. No, I have not noticed any increase in VoiceOver restarts. In fact, there have bee

Re: vo crashes and answers to Re: oldschool mac nostalgia

2009-04-19 Thread Tiffany D
Texttalker! That's the one I got. Believe it or not, I actually got that and Proterm from APH only a few years ago. I had an old catalogue of their's and they had a few old things lying around. Does anyone know of a place that sells vintage tech for the blind, not just computer stuff but gener

Re: vo crashes and answers to Re: oldschool mac nostalgia

2009-04-19 Thread Scott Howell
Ah, Larry isn't quite that old, but he is aging nicely. He works for APH these days and last I knew, doing very well. On Apr 19, 2009, at 10:37 AM, Mark Baxter wrote: > > I used Textalker, spelled just that walk, put out by Street > Electronics Corp. Software by Larry Skutcham (sp?) I hear he

Re: it at times like this I get frustrated

2009-04-19 Thread Greg Kearney
Yes it does it has an embedded flash video player on the main page area. Here is how to get it started. Given that flash content is not accessible on the Mac with voiceover, thanks Adobe, you will need to activate mouse keys once you are on the text that tells you what the video is. Then h

Re: ignore

2009-04-19 Thread william lomas
ah so we can't access it? On 19 Apr 2009, at 16:41, Dean Wilcox wrote: > > If you mean the link to the Archers related content it does have > audio content you just need to click a button to get it to > play. That button is in the flash. > > At 16:23 19/04/2009, you wrote: > >>h

Re: ignore

2009-04-19 Thread Dean Wilcox
If you mean the link to the Archers related content it does have audio content you just need to click a button to get it to play. That button is in the flash. At 16:23 19/04/2009, you wrote: > hi ignore m last rant, the site i illuded to > doesn't have any audio >content on i

Re: it at times like this I get frustrated

2009-04-19 Thread Dean Wilcox
Its the usual BBC style video where you need to click the play button in the flash movie. Maybe if it just played you'd be ok but it doesn't. At 16:22 19/04/2009, you wrote: > hi i want to play this video > >http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/archers/backstage/tom_and_amy_video.shtml

Re: oldschool mac nostalgia

2009-04-19 Thread Anne Robertson
Hello Esther, On Apr 19, 2009, at 12:34 AM, Esther wrote: > > If you're using the U.S. Audible Store here's the link to Steve > Wozniak's biography: > > http://www.audible.com/adbl/site/products/ProductDetail.jsp?productID=BK_TANT_000306&BV_UseBVCookie=Yes > A.R. This is truly maddening! I tried

ignore

2009-04-19 Thread william lomas
hi ignore m last rant, the site i illuded to doesn't have any audio content on it will --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to

it at times like this I get frustrated

2009-04-19 Thread william lomas
hi i want to play this video http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/archers/backstage/tom_and_amy_video.shtml as i an archers fan but will safari on the mac let me play it? no. that's the one disadvantage with mac in my view that adobe have not integrated flash access for us --~--~-

Re: oldschool mac nostalgia

2009-04-19 Thread kaare dehard
the old os's were just numbered, no nice marketing stuff like cat names. Just a number. On 18-Apr-09, at 3:59 PM, Jessi Rathwell wrote: > > haha wow! what was OS7 called? lol. I'm really curious about the rest > of the OS's! like I know all OS10s are cat names, but what about > before? lol. > O

Re: Accessible file sharing client

2009-04-19 Thread kaare dehard
try utorrent. it has both mac and pc versions that I have tried and both are quite accessible. On 18-Apr-09, at 1:47 AM, Brett Campbell wrote: > > Has anyone found a fully accessible file sharing client? I've tried > Bittorrent, but most everything is announced as unknown. Suggestions > with

Re: vo crashes and answers to Re: oldschool mac nostalgia

2009-04-19 Thread Mark Baxter
I used Textalker, spelled just that walk, put out by Street Electronics Corp. Software by Larry Skutcham (sp?) I hear he's still around the accessibility scene somewhere, man he's gotta be like 80 by now. :) Mark BurningHawk Skype and Twitter: BurningHawk1969 MSN: burninghawk1...@hotm

Re: oldschool mac nostalgia

2009-04-19 Thread Mark Baxter
Outspoken was great up until system 6, and even though I didn't use it after that, Berkeley systems put out patches for it through System seven or eight. I held down a job, used a network and the Internet (such as it was), wrote a novel-length work of science fiction with it. I used a 24

Re: oldschool mac nostalgia

2009-04-19 Thread Mark Baxter
I gave a presentation on the use of the Mac with OutSpoken to the Visually Impaired and Blind User's Group in 1990, shortly after moving to Boston, MA to take a job in which I used the Mac and OutSpoken to perform my job duties. At the time, a rep from one of the local institutions who wa

Re: oldschool mac nostalgia

2009-04-19 Thread Mark Baxter
For the Apple II series there was a game called Nightcrawler. which was a knock-off of the centipede game for arcade machines. I made geek fame by scoring first or second in every Nightcrawler Apple II gathering we would take over the computer room for. *grin* I also remember those tal

Re: vo crashes and answers to Re: oldschool mac nostalgia

2009-04-19 Thread Mark Baxter
The only VO crash I think I've noticed is occurring sometimes in Ichat, when I attempt to interact with the html frame to read the messages. In about five seconds, vo says, "Oh, have we started again?" which is what I have it say when it starts up, and then all's well. If this is the wor

Re: oldschool mac nostalgia

2009-04-19 Thread Anne Robertson
I used `netscape with OS 8 and OutSpoken, oh yes, and iCab. WE always got rid of IE. Cheers, Anne On Apr 19, 2009, at 11:11 AM, Jessi Rathwell wrote: > > camino? hmm. never heard of it, lol. and IE? eww! lol. so glad safari > was invented!! haha. > peace and positivity > Jes --~--~-

Self voicing e-mail for iPhone

2009-04-19 Thread E.J. Zufelt
Good morning, I kow that the iPhone does not have a screen-reader, probably not even possible to develop unless you're Apple. But, has anyone heard of an e-mail application for the iPhone that using TTS to be self-voicing? Looking for a low vision friend. Thanks, Everett Follow me on Tw

Anyone has experiences with Teamtalk under Fusion?

2009-04-19 Thread Krister Ekstrom
Hey listers. I recently discovered a program for the other os called Teamtalk and decided to try it out in a vm on my beloved Imac. Now here's the problem i have: When i try to load teamtalk i repeatedly get the error message "Unable to load file: http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionarie

Re: oldschool mac nostalgia

2009-04-19 Thread Krister Ekstrom
Hey there. I sorta have to protest here.:-) Outspoken was a hell of a good screen reader for being as primitive as it seemed. Ok, you didn't have all those fancy things you can do nowadays with screen readers, but it had quite a lot of inventive tricks that you could do. For graphical obje

Re: vo crashes and answers to Re: oldschool mac nostalgia

2009-04-19 Thread Krister Ekstrom
Just curious since i never have layed my hands on an Apple II, what screen readers were used on those beasts and how were they compared to the screen readers for Dos or such at that time? /Krister 19 apr 2009 kl. 06.08 skrev Tiffany D: > > I thought it was just me with the restarting. But y

Re: oldschool mac nostalgia

2009-04-19 Thread Jessi Rathwell
yeah, that would be interesting, a history lesson about accessibility. although, it doesn't seem like there was too much accessibility before VO. outspoken seemed like it only did so much. that's funny people were protesting against GUI's though, although I can see how they might think tha

Re: oldschool mac nostalgia

2009-04-19 Thread Krister Ekstrom
Hi, There were no such names as "tiger" or "leopard" at that time. As far as i remember the system was called "system 7". I think it was called "Macos" from v8 or possibly v9 but i can be wrong. It would be interesting with a little history lesson from a blindness perspective of apple produc

Re: oldschool mac nostalgia

2009-04-19 Thread Jessi Rathwell
camino? hmm. never heard of it, lol. and IE? eww! lol. so glad safari was invented!! haha. peace and positivity Jessi follow me on twitter www.twitter.com/canadian_diva On 18-Apr-09, at 11:06 PM, Alex Jurgensen wrote: > > Hi, > > The default browser was Camino and IE 5.5. > > Thanks, > Alex, >