Re: long standing annoyance with tables

2006-06-13 Thread Jose' Matos
On Tuesday 13 June 2006 13:16, Helge Hafting wrote: > >   Or did I misunderstood what you said? > >   > > I think we agree about this, it is Lars that seems to hold back. I would like not to forget this issue. Please could you fill a bugzilla entry for 1.5.0. I agree that something needs to be

Re: long standing annoyance with tables

2006-06-13 Thread Helge Hafting
Jose' Matos wrote: On Friday 09 June 2006 12:20, Helge Hafting wrote: I think "no lines" is the better way. No old stuff breaks. There isn't even an update of the document format. I don't understand you here. There is nothing related with an update for the file format. Exactly

Re: long standing annoyance with tables

2006-06-09 Thread christian . ridderstrom
On Fri, 9 Jun 2006, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: "Jose'" == Jose' Matos <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Jose'> The question here, as far I understand, it is one about Jose'> templates. When you insert a table, it appears a table that Jose'> follows a given template. One idea I had about template

Re: long standing annoyance with tables

2006-06-09 Thread Andre Poenitz
On Thu, Jun 08, 2006 at 08:54:27AM +0200, Lars Gullik Bjønnes wrote: > Edwin Leuven <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > | Lars Gullik Bjønnes wrote: > | > I think one of the solutions i and others outlined would be better. > | > | but that is cheating since it involves a new feature. > | > | the que

Re: long standing annoyance with tables

2006-06-09 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
> "Jose'" == Jose' Matos <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Jose'> The question here, as far I understand, it is one about Jose'> templates. When you insert a table, it appears a table that Jose'> follows a given template. One idea I had about templates was to have the possibility to add insets to

Re: long standing annoyance with tables

2006-06-09 Thread Jose' Matos
On Friday 09 June 2006 12:20, Helge Hafting wrote: > I think "no lines" is the better way.  No old stuff breaks.  There > isn't even an update of the document format. I don't understand you here. There is nothing related with an update for the file format. The question here, as far I underst

Re: long standing annoyance with tables

2006-06-09 Thread Helge Hafting
Lars Gullik Bjønnes wrote: Edwin Leuven <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: | Lars Gullik Bjønnes wrote: | > I think one of the solutions i and others outlined would be better. | | but that is cheating since it involves a new feature. | | the question is what is better: | | 1. have lines the way we h

Re: long standing annoyance with tables

2006-06-09 Thread Stephan Witt
Juergen Spitzmueller wrote: Edwin Leuven wrote: Andre Poenitz wrote: Fine with me. I find i anooying myself. others? I'm also always deleting the lines, but only in order to get the booktabs ERT stuff in. My take on it is: add a "border style" combo to the tabular create dialog, which

Re: long standing annoyance with tables

2006-06-09 Thread Juergen Spitzmueller
Edwin Leuven wrote: > Andre Poenitz wrote: > > Fine with me. I find i anooying myself. > > others? I'm also always deleting the lines, but only in order to get the booktabs ERT stuff in. My take on it is: add a "border style" combo to the tabular create dialog, which lets your chose: no borders,

RE: Re: long standing annoyance with tables

2006-06-08 Thread Leuven, E.
> That will just be a poll... just as an input to the decision process. that's the idea...

Re: long standing annoyance with tables

2006-06-08 Thread Lars Gullik Bjønnes
"Leuven, E." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: | i just send a mail to the user list... That will just be a poll... just as an input to the decision process. -- Lgb

RE: Re: long standing annoyance with tables

2006-06-08 Thread Leuven, E.
i just send a mail to the user list... -Original Message- From: news on behalf of Paul A. Rubin Sent: Thu 6/8/06 16:48 To: lyx-devel@lists.lyx.org Subject: Re: long standing annoyance with tables Edwin Leuven wrote: > Lars Gullik Bjønnes wrote: >> I am reluctant of changing

Re: long standing annoyance with tables

2006-06-08 Thread Lars Gullik Bjønnes
Edwin Leuven <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: | Lars Gullik Bjønnes wrote: | > I am reluctant of changing something that has been the default for a | > long time. | | i understand that, but in this case i think that the default is very | idiosyncratic and an inconvenience for most. | | i would really

Re: long standing annoyance with tables

2006-06-08 Thread Paul A. Rubin
Edwin Leuven wrote: Lars Gullik Bjønnes wrote: I am reluctant of changing something that has been the default for a long time. i understand that, but in this case i think that the default is very idiosyncratic and an inconvenience for most. i would really urge you to allow this in... How

Re: long standing annoyance with tables

2006-06-08 Thread Edwin Leuven
Lars Gullik Bjønnes wrote: I am reluctant of changing something that has been the default for a long time. i understand that, but in this case i think that the default is very idiosyncratic and an inconvenience for most. i would really urge you to allow this in...

Re: long standing annoyance with tables

2006-06-07 Thread Lars Gullik Bjønnes
Edwin Leuven <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: | Lars Gullik Bjønnes wrote: | > I think one of the solutions i and others outlined would be better. | | but that is cheating since it involves a new feature. | | the question is what is better: | | 1. have lines the way we have now | 2. have no lines I

Re: long standing annoyance with tables

2006-06-07 Thread Edwin Leuven
Lars Gullik Bjønnes wrote: I think one of the solutions i and others outlined would be better. but that is cheating since it involves a new feature. the question is what is better: 1. have lines the way we have now 2. have no lines

Re: long standing annoyance with tables

2006-06-07 Thread Lars Gullik Bjønnes
Edwin Leuven <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: | Andre Poenitz wrote: | > Fine with me. I find i anooying myself. | | others? | | i really think that this should go in... I think one of the solutions i and others outlined would be better. -- Lgb

Re: long standing annoyance with tables

2006-06-07 Thread Edwin Leuven
Andre Poenitz wrote: Fine with me. I find i anooying myself. others? i really think that this should go in...

Re: long standing annoyance with tables

2006-06-07 Thread Andre Poenitz
On Thu, Jun 01, 2006 at 10:12:27PM +0200, Edwin Leuven wrote: > is that it gets inserted with silly lines > > the attached patch gets rid of them > > can i commit? please?! Fine with me. I find i anooying myself. Andre'

Re: long standing annoyance with tables

2006-06-02 Thread Edwin Leuven
Lars Gullik Bjønnes wrote: Note that I am not against this change, I just want us to be aware of implications and have well founded reasons for the change. That said, IMHO we should make the behaviour in LyX as close as possible to what you get from using the LaTeX styles/classes manually. So if

Re: long standing annoyance with tables

2006-06-02 Thread Lars Gullik Bjønnes
"Paul A. Rubin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: | Lars Gullik Bjønnes wrote: | > Edwin Leuven <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: | > | is that it gets inserted with silly lines | > Why are they silly? | | I think it's generally considered bad form to have many horizontal | lines, or *any* vertical lines, in

Re: long standing annoyance with tables

2006-06-02 Thread Jose' Matos
On Friday 02 June 2006 07:10, Edwin Leuven wrote: > Lars Gullik Bjønnes wrote: > > Edwin Leuven <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > | is that it gets inserted with silly lines > > > > Why are they silly? > > i think that nobody uses line formatting like this. like paul the first > thing i do after inse

Re: long standing annoyance with tables

2006-06-01 Thread Edwin Leuven
Lars Gullik Bjønnes wrote: Edwin Leuven <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: | is that it gets inserted with silly lines Why are they silly? i think that nobody uses line formatting like this. like paul the first thing i do after inserting a table is selecting the whole thing and unset all the lines.

Re: long standing annoyance with tables

2006-06-01 Thread Paul A. Rubin
Lars Gullik Bjønnes wrote: Edwin Leuven <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: | is that it gets inserted with silly lines Why are they silly? I think it's generally considered bad form to have many horizontal lines, or *any* vertical lines, in a table. I confess that the first thing I do after inser

Re: long standing annoyance with tables

2006-06-01 Thread Lars Gullik Bjønnes
Edwin Leuven <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: | is that it gets inserted with silly lines Why are they silly? | the attached patch gets rid of them Doesn't this change default behaviour that we have had for a very long time? | can i commit? please?! whining does not help. -- Lgb

long standing annoyance with tables

2006-06-01 Thread Edwin Leuven
is that it gets inserted with silly lines the attached patch gets rid of them can i commit? please?! Index: tabular.C === --- tabular.C (revision 13978) +++ tabular.C (working copy) @@ -319,9 +319,9 @@ multicolumn(