Re: View->LaTeX

2002-12-06 Thread John Levon
On Fri, Dec 06, 2002 at 03:36:03PM +0100, Andre Poenitz wrote: > Please tell me how to obtain the archives of lyx-devel and lyx-cvs from > June-August 2002. http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=lyx-devel&r=1&w=2 regards john -- "Yeah, I woke up in the day accidentally once, the moon was on fire for

Re: View->LaTeX

2002-12-06 Thread Andre Poenitz
On Fri, Dec 06, 2002 at 02:30:17PM +, John Levon wrote: > Please point me to where in the mailing list you mentioned you were > going to do this. Please tell me how to obtain the archives of lyx-devel and lyx-cvs from June-August 2002. Andre' -- Those who desire to give up Freedom in order

Re: View->LaTeX

2002-12-06 Thread John Levon
On Fri, Dec 06, 2002 at 03:13:15PM +0100, Andre Poenitz wrote: > > I can't say I'm happy about you sneaking the UI in under our noses. > > Please? > > Care to post your definition of "sneaking in thing under your noses"? Please point me to where in the mailing list you mentioned you were going

Re: View->LaTeX

2002-12-06 Thread Andre Poenitz
On Fri, Dec 06, 2002 at 02:15:46PM +, John Levon wrote: > Oh, sure. Don't get me wrong, I'm sure it is useful for a number of > people. The question is whether it's really needed by the "default > user". But it seems you don't like arguing about UI, so in the future > I'll just fix stuff back w

Re: View->LaTeX

2002-12-06 Thread John Levon
On Fri, Dec 06, 2002 at 03:11:03PM +0100, Andre Poenitz wrote: > > You are a developer. > > Currently I am a user. OK sure. A particularly able and clued-in power user ... > Btw: this was not my idea in the beginning > but I found it so useful that I adapted it. Oh, sure. Don't get me wrong, I

Re: View->LaTeX

2002-12-06 Thread Andre Poenitz
On Fri, Dec 06, 2002 at 02:11:22PM +, John Levon wrote: > I can't say I'm happy about you sneaking the UI in under our noses. Please? Care to post your definition of "sneaking in thing under your noses"? Andre' -- Those who desire to give up Freedom in order to gain Security, will not hav

Re: View->LaTeX

2002-12-06 Thread Andre Poenitz
On Fri, Dec 06, 2002 at 02:08:18PM +, John Levon wrote: > > I certainly would like to have it. > > You are a developer. Currently I am a user. > > Maybe the item could be moved down in the menu close to the latex log > > file and we could call it 'View LaTeX Source', but it should stay there

Re: View->LaTeX

2002-12-06 Thread John Levon
On Fri, Dec 06, 2002 at 12:04:41PM +0100, Andre Poenitz wrote: > Having easy access to the .tex is currently an important means to debug the > output LyX creates. The people able and needing to debug .tex are more than capable of adding a menu entry. The people who wouldn't even think of changing

Re: View->LaTeX

2002-12-06 Thread John Levon
On Fri, Dec 06, 2002 at 09:58:16AM +0100, Andre Poenitz wrote: > Why? .tex is the primary output format LyX produces. There hould be a way > to look at it. That argument makes no sense. There should also be a way to load DVI into hexdump and ps into less in an xterm ? > > Do we really want to k

Re: View->LaTeX

2002-12-06 Thread Andre Poenitz
On Fri, Dec 06, 2002 at 01:26:08PM +0100, Lars Gullik Bjønnes wrote: > You are just too grumpy for your own good... Maybe. But I really like to avoid this kind of debate as I find it pretty frustrating. Andre' -- Those who desire to give up Freedom in order to gain Security, will not have, no

Re: View->LaTeX

2002-12-06 Thread Lars Gullik Bjønnes
Andre Poenitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: | On Fri, Dec 06, 2002 at 12:50:43PM +0100, Lars Gullik Bjønnes wrote: >> | Or do you explicitly discriminate .tex in order to prove some >> | "non-dependance"? >> > >> | [Which, btw, is not there and won't be there within a reasonable amount of >> | time]

Re: View->LaTeX

2002-12-06 Thread Juergen Spitzmueller
José Matos wrote: > > I certainly would like to have it. > > We already have the ability to do so, it only takes to add a viewer in > the format preferences. I have it activated for ASCII (text) output, > linuxdoc and docbook Another possibility is to use the custom export dialog: "emacs $$FName

Re: View->LaTeX

2002-12-06 Thread Andre Poenitz
On Fri, Dec 06, 2002 at 12:50:43PM +0100, Lars Gullik Bjønnes wrote: > | Or do you explicitly discriminate .tex in order to prove some > | "non-dependance"? > > > | [Which, btw, is not there and won't be there within a reasonable amount of > | time] > > And therefor we should making the "LyX is an

Re: View->LaTeX

2002-12-06 Thread Lars Gullik Bjønnes
Andre Poenitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: | On Fri, Dec 06, 2002 at 12:15:08PM +0100, Lars Gullik Bjønnes wrote: >> I think it should not be there by default. At least I am trying to >> lessen our explicit and implict dependance on LaTeX. > | The weight of this "LaTeX viewer" is currently _exactly

Re: View->LaTeX

2002-12-06 Thread Andre Poenitz
On Fri, Dec 06, 2002 at 11:35:01AM +0100, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: > Andre> I think I got now a fairly good impression of how much time can > Andre> be wasted without achieving anything. I don't need more > Andre> education on that topic. > > Beware, Andre is grumpy today... No, I have been gr

Re: View->LaTeX

2002-12-06 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
> "Andre" == Andre Poenitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Andre> On Fri, Dec 06, 2002 at 10:48:06AM +0100, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes Andre> wrote: Maybe the item could be moved down in the menu close to Andre> the latex log file and we could call it 'View LaTeX Source', Andre> but it should stay there

Re: View->LaTeX

2002-12-06 Thread Andre Poenitz
On Fri, Dec 06, 2002 at 12:15:08PM +0100, Lars Gullik Bjønnes wrote: > I think it should not be there by default. At least I am trying to > lessen our explicit and implict dependance on LaTeX. The weight of this "LaTeX viewer" is currently _exactly_ the same as this of a "Dvi viewer" or a "PDF vie

Re: View->LaTeX

2002-12-06 Thread Lars Gullik Bjønnes
José Matos <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: | On Friday 06 December 2002 08:58, Andre Poenitz wrote: >> > Yes, but I think it will prove confusing for many people... >> >> Why? .tex is the primary output format LyX produces. There hould be a way >> to look at it. >> >> > Do we really want to keep it?

Re: View->LaTeX

2002-12-06 Thread Andre Poenitz
On Fri, Dec 06, 2002 at 10:48:06AM +0100, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: > Andre> Maybe the item could be moved down in the menu close to the > Andre> latex log file and we could call it 'View LaTeX Source', but it > Andre> should stay there IMNSHO. > > You cannot move it. The list of viewers is buil

Re: View->LaTeX

2002-12-06 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
> "Andre" == Andre Poenitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Andre> Maybe the item could be moved down in the menu close to the Andre> latex log file and we could call it 'View LaTeX Source', but it Andre> should stay there IMNSHO. You cannot move it. The list of viewers is built automatically. JM

Re: View->LaTeX

2002-12-06 Thread Andre Poenitz
On Fri, Dec 06, 2002 at 09:30:49AM +, José Matos wrote: > > Why? .tex is the primary output format LyX produces. There hould be a way > > to look at it. > > > > > Do we really want to keep it? > > > > I certainly would like to have it. > > We already have the ability to do so, it only takes

Re: View->LaTeX

2002-12-06 Thread José Matos
On Friday 06 December 2002 08:58, Andre Poenitz wrote: > > Yes, but I think it will prove confusing for many people... > > Why? .tex is the primary output format LyX produces. There hould be a way > to look at it. > > > Do we really want to keep it? > > I certainly would like to have it. We alre

Re: View->LaTeX

2002-12-06 Thread Andre Poenitz
On Fri, Dec 06, 2002 at 09:51:36AM +0100, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: > Andre> Ever tried finding LaTeX errors using Error boxes that end up > Andre> miles away from the places where they are supposed to be? > > Yes, but I think it will prove confusing for many people... Why? .tex is the primary

Re: View->LaTeX

2002-12-06 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
> "Andre" == Andre Poenitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Andre> On Fri, Dec 06, 2002 at 02:32:27AM +, John Levon wrote: >> Where did this come from, and why ? Andre> Maybe my doing. Indeed. Andre> Ever tried finding LaTeX errors using Error boxes that end up Andre> miles away from the pl

Re: View->LaTeX

2002-12-06 Thread Andre Poenitz
On Fri, Dec 06, 2002 at 02:32:27AM +, John Levon wrote: > Where did this come from, and why ? Maybe my doing. I had a similar item for ages in my "personal" copy of LyX. But maybe not. Why? Ever tried finding LaTeX errors using Error boxes that end up miles away from the places where they ar

Re: View-LaTeX: why not using a text-dialog, instead of xterm/less?

2002-08-16 Thread Angus Leeming
On Friday 16 August 2002 1:15 pm, Rob Lahaye wrote: > Andre Poenitz wrote: > > On Fri, Aug 16, 2002 at 04:53:26PM +0900, Rob Lahaye wrote: > >>edit/save in less? Is that possible? > > > > Type 'v' and $EDITOR pops up. > > > >>Even if it is, I would consider > >>that as an unwanted feature. > > > >

Re: View-LaTeX: why not using a text-dialog, instead of xterm/less?

2002-08-16 Thread Andre Poenitz
On Fri, Aug 16, 2002 at 09:15:13PM +0900, Rob Lahaye wrote: > So, if I'm right, Update->LaTeX can never work, it better should go then. Patch please. Andre' -- Those who desire to give up Freedom in order to gain Security, will not have, nor do they deserve, either one. (T. Jefferson)

Re: View-LaTeX: why not using a text-dialog, instead of xterm/less?

2002-08-16 Thread Rob Lahaye
Andre Poenitz wrote: > On Fri, Aug 16, 2002 at 04:53:26PM +0900, Rob Lahaye wrote: > >>edit/save in less? Is that possible? > > > Type 'v' and $EDITOR pops up. > > >>Even if it is, I would consider >>that as an unwanted feature. > > > Then edit you default.ui and you get rid of it. Having o

Re: View-LaTeX: why not using a text-dialog, instead of xterm/less?

2002-08-16 Thread Andre Poenitz
On Fri, Aug 16, 2002 at 04:53:26PM +0900, Rob Lahaye wrote: > edit/save in less? Is that possible? Type 'v' and $EDITOR pops up. > Even if it is, I would consider > that as an unwanted feature. Then edit you default.ui and you get rid of it. Having one-click-access to the produced LaTeX is a ve

Re: View-LaTeX: why not using a text-dialog, instead of xterm/less?

2002-08-16 Thread Rob Lahaye
Andre Poenitz wrote: > On Fri, Aug 16, 2002 at 04:12:56PM +0900, Rob Lahaye wrote: > >>The View-LaTeX is cute, but using xterm+less is too low level. >>Why not throwing the text of the LaTeX file into a text dialog window, that >>allows scrolling? > > > Because xterm+less comes for free while a

Re: View-LaTeX: why not using a text-dialog, instead of xterm/less?

2002-08-16 Thread Andre Poenitz
On Fri, Aug 16, 2002 at 04:12:56PM +0900, Rob Lahaye wrote: > The View-LaTeX is cute, but using xterm+less is too low level. > Why not throwing the text of the LaTeX file into a text dialog window, that > allows scrolling? Because xterm+less comes for free while a "text dialog window" needs code.