On 2023-10-14 14:48, Jean-Pierre Chrétien wrote:
Le 14/10/2023 à 03:52, Daniel a écrit :
On 2023-10-13 18:07, Daniel wrote:
On 2023-10-13 17:24, Jürgen Spitzmüller wrote:
Am Freitag, dem 13.10.2023 um 17:08 +0200 schrieb Daniel:
I have not noticed that. I usually find that disabled menus are
On Sat, Oct 14, 2023 at 06:12:44PM +0200, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote:
> Le 14/10/2023 à 18:09, Jürgen Spitzmüller a écrit :
> > As a GNOME user I am quite used to this sort of UI (the search bar in
> > the shell follows a similar spirit and is great for keyboard
> > aficionados).
>
> Right. I miss
On Sat, Oct 14, 2023 at 06:10:11PM +0200, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote:
> Le 14/10/2023 à 17:57, Scott Kostyshak a écrit :
> > > Right. And in practice it is also a great tool for experienced users,
> >
> > I agree that experienced users is the intended audience.
>
> This is not what I wrote. It is
Am Samstag, dem 14.10.2023 um 18:12 +0200 schrieb Jean-Marc Lasgouttes:
> Right. I miss the application menus there, though.
I don't miss it at all anymore. But I agree this is completely
subjective. I was thrilled by the idea right from the beginning (and
long before it worked in a sane way).
>
Am Samstag, dem 14.10.2023 um 10:35 -0400 schrieb Scott Kostyshak:
> I would call it "persistence" but I can understand that people might
> feel harassed.
Just for the records, I don't feel harassed and I agree that we have
this list for the very purpose of such exchange of thoughts.
Nonetheless
Le 14/10/2023 à 18:09, Jürgen Spitzmüller a écrit :
As a GNOME user I am quite used to this sort of UI (the search bar in
the shell follows a similar spirit and is great for keyboard
aficionados).
Right. I miss the application menus there, though.
I suspect it is not easy to implement this pr
Le 14/10/2023 à 17:57, Scott Kostyshak a écrit :
Right. And in practice it is also a great tool for experienced users,
I agree that experienced users is the intended audience.
This is not what I wrote. It is also useful for searching menu entries
when you are not familiar with them.
I thi
Am Samstag, dem 14.10.2023 um 17:40 +0200 schrieb Jean-Marc Lasgouttes:
> Right. And in practice it is also a great tool for experienced users,
> because this can be used as keyboard shortcuts (with time you know
> which
> 3 letters will trigger the right action).
>
> We could also experiment add
On Sat, Oct 14, 2023 at 05:40:20PM +0200, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote:
> Le 14/10/2023 à 14:27, Jürgen Spitzmüller a écrit :
> > Am Samstag, dem 14.10.2023 um 14:18 +0200 schrieb Jean-Marc Lasgouttes:
> > > Look at the screenshot here :
> > > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Unity/HUD
> >
> > Thanks. So in
Le 14/10/2023 à 14:27, Jürgen Spitzmüller a écrit :
Am Samstag, dem 14.10.2023 um 14:18 +0200 schrieb Jean-Marc Lasgouttes:
Look at the screenshot here :
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Unity/HUD
Thanks. So in simpler words, a search field for menu items.
Right. And in practice it is also a great to
On Sat, Oct 14, 2023 at 02:48:27PM +0200, Jean-Pierre Chrétien wrote:
> Le 14/10/2023 à 03:52, Daniel a écrit :
> > On 2023-10-13 18:07, Daniel wrote:
> > > On 2023-10-13 17:24, Jürgen Spitzmüller wrote:
> > > > Am Freitag, dem 13.10.2023 um 17:08 +0200 schrieb Daniel:
>
> > > I have not noticed t
Le 14/10/2023 à 03:52, Daniel a écrit :
On 2023-10-13 18:07, Daniel wrote:
On 2023-10-13 17:24, Jürgen Spitzmüller wrote:
Am Freitag, dem 13.10.2023 um 17:08 +0200 schrieb Daniel:
I have not noticed that. I usually find that disabled menus are easy to
disregard when I do not explicitly try t
Am Samstag, dem 14.10.2023 um 14:18 +0200 schrieb Jean-Marc Lasgouttes:
> Look at the screenshot here :
> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Unity/HUD
Thanks. So in simpler words, a search field for menu items.
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Look at the screenshot here :
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Unity/HUD
JMarc
Le 14 octobre 2023 08:33:53 GMT+02:00, "Jürgen Spitzmüller"
a écrit :
>Am Freitag, dem 13.10.2023 um 17:44 +0200 schrieb Jean-Marc Lasgouttes:
>> What we could provide is a HUD, like Apple's Cmd-space, but for menu
>> entri
On 2023-10-14 12:47, Jürgen Spitzmüller wrote:
Am Samstag, dem 14.10.2023 um 12:26 +0200 schrieb Daniel:
I think it's just a matter of getting used. But I understand that
it's hard at the beginning as with every new interface.
I use that for years and don't get used to it. It's just very bad
d
Am Samstag, dem 14.10.2023 um 12:26 +0200 schrieb Daniel:
> I think it's just a matter of getting used. But I understand that
> it's hard at the beginning as with every new interface.
I use that for years and don't get used to it. It's just very bad
design.
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On 2023-10-14 09:08, Jürgen Spitzmüller wrote:
Am Freitag, dem 13.10.2023 um 18:07 +0200 schrieb Daniel:
I meant the group of "References" as in "Citation", "Cross-
References", "Label", "Caption", etc. These are typically subsumed
under "References" in other word processors.
Ah, that. Yes, th
Am Freitag, dem 13.10.2023 um 18:07 +0200 schrieb Daniel:
> I meant the group of "References" as in "Citation", "Cross-
> References", "Label", "Caption", etc. These are typically subsumed
> under "References" in other word processors.
Ah, that. Yes, this is a very good example for Word's failed u
Am Freitag, dem 13.10.2023 um 17:44 +0200 schrieb Jean-Marc Lasgouttes:
> What we could provide is a HUD, like Apple's Cmd-space, but for menu
> entries. We had that in Ubuntu in the old days.
I have not the slightest idea what a HUD is.
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On 2023-10-14 03:52, Daniel wrote:
On 2023-10-13 18:07, Daniel wrote:
On 2023-10-13 17:24, Jürgen Spitzmüller wrote:
Am Freitag, dem 13.10.2023 um 17:08 +0200 schrieb Daniel:
I agree that the menus of these apps are complex. But that might be
in their nature.
Well, they are aware of it:
http
On 2023-10-13 18:07, Daniel wrote:
On 2023-10-13 17:24, Jürgen Spitzmüller wrote:
Am Freitag, dem 13.10.2023 um 17:08 +0200 schrieb Daniel:
I agree that the menus of these apps are complex. But that might be
in their nature.
Well, they are aware of it:
https://design.blog.documentfoundation.o
On 2023-10-13 17:44, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote:
Le 13/10/2023 à 17:08, Daniel a écrit :
> I agree that the menus of these apps are complex. But that might be in
their nature. I guess the Ribbon was a (maybe controversial) attempt
to solve this problem. But I think LyX with its hidden menus is
On 2023-10-13 17:24, Jürgen Spitzmüller wrote:
Am Freitag, dem 13.10.2023 um 17:08 +0200 schrieb Daniel:
I agree that the menus of these apps are complex. But that might be
in their nature.
Well, they are aware of it:
https://design.blog.documentfoundation.org/2016/01/22/way-down-in-the-libreo
Le 13/10/2023 à 17:08, Daniel a écrit :
> I agree that the menus of these apps are complex. But that might be in
their nature. I guess the Ribbon was a (maybe controversial) attempt to
solve this problem. But I think LyX with its hidden menus is actually
worse to figure out. I am still discover
Am Freitag, dem 13.10.2023 um 17:08 +0200 schrieb Daniel:
> I agree that the menus of these apps are complex. But that might be
> in their nature.
Well, they are aware of it:
https://design.blog.documentfoundation.org/2016/01/22/way-down-in-the-libreoffice-menus/
> I guess the Ribbon was a (maybe
On 2023-10-13 16:37, Jürgen Spitzmüller wrote:
Am Freitag, dem 13.10.2023 um 16:27 +0200 schrieb Daniel:
It seems to have a not unusual length as compared to Writer and Word.
which have both a horrible UI. I regularly get lost in the
intransparent structure when using either of these apps.
H
On 2023-10-13 15:10, Scott Kostyshak wrote:
On Fri, Oct 13, 2023 at 10:43:45AM +0200, Jürgen Spitzmüller wrote:
Am Freitag, dem 13.10.2023 um 08:05 +0200 schrieb Daniel:
It seems to be a rather universally accepted UI rule that menu items
should not be hidden. Feel free to can check your favori
Am Freitag, dem 13.10.2023 um 16:27 +0200 schrieb Daniel:
> It seems to have a not unusual length as compared to Writer and Word.
which have both a horrible UI. I regularly get lost in the
intransparent structure when using either of these apps.
> However, I have noticed that LyX does have rather
On 2023-10-13 16:18, Jürgen Spitzmüller wrote:
Am Freitag, dem 13.10.2023 um 16:11 +0200 schrieb Daniel:
An example would be interesting. As I mentioned, I enabled all menu
items and didn't notice too long menus (not longer than in other
popular apps anyway).
The Insert menu is already too lon
Am Freitag, dem 13.10.2023 um 16:11 +0200 schrieb Daniel:
> An example would be interesting. As I mentioned, I enabled all menu
> items and didn't notice too long menus (not longer than in other
> popular apps anyway).
The Insert menu is already too long now, with entries hidden.
> But I am a bi
On 2023-10-13 10:43, Jürgen Spitzmüller wrote:
Am Freitag, dem 13.10.2023 um 08:05 +0200 schrieb Daniel:
It seems to be a rather universally accepted UI rule that menu items
should not be hidden. Feel free to can check your favorite apps or
search the recommendation on the web. (There is also th
On Fri, Oct 13, 2023 at 10:43:45AM +0200, Jürgen Spitzmüller wrote:
> Am Freitag, dem 13.10.2023 um 08:05 +0200 schrieb Daniel:
> > It seems to be a rather universally accepted UI rule that menu items
> > should not be hidden. Feel free to can check your favorite apps or
> > search the recommenda
Am Freitag, dem 13.10.2023 um 10:43 +0200 schrieb Jürgen Spitzmüller:
> And
>
> "Don't put more than 12 items within a single level of a menu. Add
> separators between logical groups within a menu. Organize the menu
> items into groups of seven or fewer strongly related items."
>
> It also says:
Am Freitag, dem 13.10.2023 um 08:05 +0200 schrieb Daniel:
> It seems to be a rather universally accepted UI rule that menu items
> should not be hidden. Feel free to can check your favorite apps or
> search the recommendation on the web. (There is also the more extreme
> recommendations to not ev
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