Guenter Milde wrote:
> But definitely here with LMRoman10-Regular.
Not here.
> What fonts do you use?
I tested with default (LMRoman-10), MinionPro, Garamond and Times New Roman.
Jürgen
On 2010-01-15, Jürgen Spitzmüller wrote:
> Guenter Milde wrote:
>> Another, more relevant example is XeTeX: If (like in the default LyX-svn
>> setup) system fonts are used, --- is rendered as three hyphens.
> Not here.
But definitely here with LMRoman10-Regular.
What fonts do you use?
> Jürgen
Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote:
> I think we should continue to pass --- unchanged.
+1
Jürgen
rgheck writes:
>> a) What to use in the tutorial, --- or em-dash?
>>
> ---, on the ground that em-dash as currently handled breaks lines
> wrong. One could change the handling of em-dash, but I see no
> generally acceptable way to do it, though see below.
+1
>> b) How to export the em-dash Unico
On 01/15/2010 05:24 AM, Guenter Milde wrote:
In my view, the issues are:
So, just to be clear what my views are:
a) What to use in the tutorial, --- or em-dash?
---, on the ground that em-dash as currently handled breaks lines wrong.
One could change the handling of em-dash, but I
Guenter Milde wrote:
> Another, more relevant example is XeTeX: If (like in the default LyX-svn
> setup) system fonts are used, --- is rendered as three hyphens.
Not here.
Jürgen
On 2010-01-15, rgheck wrote:
> Before we have any more of this discussion, let me just emphasize that
> my original concern was with the use of the Unicode emdash in the User's
> Guide and Tutorial, where it gives bad results, according to the
> standards of English typography. That is what I
Before we have any more of this discussion, let me just emphasize that
my original concern was with the use of the Unicode emdash in the User's
Guide and Tutorial, where it gives bad results, according to the
standards of English typography. That is what I was proposing to change.
The issue
On 2010-01-14, rgheck wrote:
> On 01/14/2010 11:39 AM, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote:
>> rgheck writes:
The input ligature can have unwanted side-effects.
Copy the following into a LyX window:
To get help, use
# ls --help
Look at the PDF. I copied the text back from xpdf and got:
To ge
On 01/14/2010 11:39 AM, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote:
rgheck writes:
As Jurgen said, do you have an example? And, as I've said, the Unicode
version gives the wrong spacing.
I think Guenter advocates the use of the unicode character on screen, and
--- in latex, using the unicodesymbols
rgheck writes:
> As Jurgen said, do you have an example? And, as I've said, the Unicode
> version gives the wrong spacing.
I think Guenter advocates the use of the unicode character on screen, and
--- in latex, using the unicodesymbols file (am I right?).
JMarc
On 01/14/2010 10:45 AM, Guenter Milde wrote:
On 2010-01-14, rgheck wrote:
On 01/14/2010 03:24 AM, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote:
I think this is a case where we can just say : "do like that now, this
is the LyX philosophy"...
But there is no need to push this on the readers of t
Guenter Milde wrote:
> Not all fonts will replace --- by an em-dash.
Can you name an example?
Jürgen
On 2010-01-14, rgheck wrote:
> On 01/14/2010 03:24 AM, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote:
>> I think this is a case where we can just say : "do like that now, this
>> is the LyX philosophy"...
But there is no need to push this on the readers of the tutorial...
> Yes, and because it is the right way to
On 01/14/2010 08:38 AM, Vincent van Ravesteijn - TNW wrote:
/afs/inria.fr/rocq/home/imara/lasgoutt/dash.lyx is from a different
version of LyX, but the lyx2lyx script failed to convert it.
The last sentence is what I get in a dialog box. Could I get LyX to
tell me that it is
>/afs/inria.fr/rocq/home/imara/lasgoutt/dash.lyx is from a different
version of LyX, but the lyx2lyx script failed to convert it.
>
> The last sentence is what I get in a dialog box. Could I get LyX to
> tell me that it is a _too_new_ version of the file format?
>
>
>Alert::error(_("Con
On 01/14/2010 08:26 AM, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote:
rgheck writes:
I offer the attached LyX file as proof.
Trying to open this 2.0.0svn file under 1.6.x made me remember this rather
unintuitive behaviour
Warning: 376: Format not supported.
Warning: Quiting.
Error: Conversion
rgheck writes:
> I offer the attached LyX file as proof.
Trying to open this 2.0.0svn file under 1.6.x made me remember this rather
unintuitive behaviour
Warning: 376: Format not supported.
Warning: Quiting.
Error: Conversion script failed
/afs/i
On 01/14/2010 03:24 AM, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote:
Le 14 janv. 10 à 01:54, Uwe Stöhr a écrit :
This is an interesting issue. I wasn't aware of that problem. So the
best is to leave it as it is. The UserGuide already explains the
different types of dashes and tells the user that there are two
On 2010-01-13, rgheck wrote:
> On 01/13/2010 06:34 AM, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote:
>> Of course, a better UI could be to
>> transform a - into a -- (I do not have the unicode codepoint handy,
>> sorry) when typing - after it (like spaces in math).
> A better UI *might* (and I do mean *might*) be
Le 14 janv. 10 à 01:54, Uwe Stöhr a écrit :
This is an interesting issue. I wasn't aware of that problem. So the
best is to leave it as it is. The UserGuide already explains the
different types of dashes and tells the user that there are two
different ways of inserting them (as "---" and as
Am 13.01.2010 15:54, schrieb Jean-Marc Lasgouttes:
This is not correct, neither the Unicode standard nor typographic
books know a ligature of dashes, see also
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Typographic_ligature
-- and -- are implemented in TeX as ligatures in the font, as are ?`,
!`, `` and ''.
On 13 jan 2010, at 17.30, Vincent van Ravesteijn - TNW wrote:
>
>>> thats simply configurable through keybindings editor.
>>> pavel
>>
>> Thanks!
>> But this should be rather annoying for a beginner. Maybe it would
>> be good to go through the Mac keybindings and make them more Mac-like?
>> (I'
>> thats simply configurable through keybindings editor.
>> pavel
>
>Thanks!
>But this should be rather annoying for a beginner. Maybe it would
>be good to go through the Mac keybindings and make them more Mac-like?
>(I'll put on my todo-list to make a suggestion unless someone jumps
>to it, but
On 13 jan 2010, at 14.23, Pavel Sanda wrote:
> Anders Ekberg wrote:
>> The main problem for me (latest version on Mac OSX 10.6) is that inserting
>> an en-dash (which is "alt -" on my Swedish keyboard) zooms out the
>> window
>> "--" is fine (if I can suppress the "alt -" reflex), but cause
On 01/13/2010 06:21 AM, Jürgen Spitzmüller wrote:
Uwe Stöhr wrote:
Sure, because you do the same in all other text editors and Word-like
applications. I was often asked in the past why there are two or three
subsequent dashes and it is hard to explain that they become one in the
outpu
On 01/13/2010 06:34 AM, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote:
Of course, a better UI could be to
transform a - into a -- (I do not have the unicode codepoint handy,
sorry) when typing - after it (like spaces in math).
A better UI *might* (and I do mean *might*) be to display it as a
unicode em-dash.
Uwe Stöhr writes:
>> --- is not a command in TeX, it is a ligature.
>
> This is not correct, neither the Unicode standard nor typographic
> books know a ligature of dashes, see also
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Typographic_ligature
-- and -- are implemented in TeX as ligatures in the font, as
Anders Ekberg wrote:
> The main problem for me (latest version on Mac OSX 10.6) is that inserting an
> en-dash (which is "alt -" on my Swedish keyboard) zooms out the window
> "--" is fine (if I can suppress the "alt -" reflex), but causes problems when
> pasting in Word (which I am frequent
On 13 jan 2010, at 13.59, Pavel Sanda wrote:
> Uwe Stöhr wrote:
>>> Because it is an easy way to get it?
>>
>> But an unintuitive way, otherwise I wouldn't have been asked.
>
> it depends from which background do the newbie comes. if its the tex one
> then --- is pretty intuitive. if they are of
Uwe Stöhr wrote:
>> Because it is an easy way to get it?
>
> But an unintuitive way, otherwise I wouldn't have been asked.
it depends from which background do the newbie comes. if its the tex one
then --- is pretty intuitive. if they are office descendands then i suspect
they have never heard abou
Jean-Marc Lasgouttes schrieb:
Because it is an easy way to get it?
But an unintuitive way, otherwise I wouldn't have been asked.
At least our documentation files should therefore contain the correct
characters. People can copy/paste them to their documents.
Another point is that "---" is a c
Jürgen Spitzmüller writes:
> Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote:
>> Of course, a better UI could be to
>> transform a - into a -- (I do not have the unicode codepoint handy,
>> sorry) when typing - after it (like spaces in math).
>
> But this should be customizable, then.
> Personally, I find -- much eas
Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote:
> Of course, a better UI could be to
> transform a - into a -- (I do not have the unicode codepoint handy,
> sorry) when typing - after it (like spaces in math).
But this should be customizable, then.
Personally, I find -- much easier to identify and to distinguish from
Jürgen Spitzmüller writes:
> My experience is that wrong dashes is the most recurrent typographic
> error in Word and OOo documents (next to wrong closing single
> quotation marks).
You forgot repeated spaces between words.
JMarc
Uwe Stöhr writes:
> Sure, because you do the same in all other text editors and Word-like
> applications. I was often asked in the past why there are two or three
> subsequent dashes and it is hard to explain that they become one in
> the output but not within LyX.
Because it is an easy way to ge
Uwe Stöhr wrote:
> Sure, because you do the same in all other text editors and Word-like
> applications. I was often asked in the past why there are two or three
> subsequent dashes and it is hard to explain that they become one in the
> output but not within LyX.
> At least our documentation f
Jean-Marc Lasgouttes schrieb:
You did similar changes in the past. Why did you remove long dashes by
"---"? Using three characters to get one in the output is unintuitive
and confuses newbies. Thanks to our Unicode support we can directly
use all types of dashes.
You mean searching in the Symb
Uwe Stöhr wrote:
> >> Besides this, please do all changes that are not specific to trunk in
> >> the versions in branch!
> >
> > I thought I should ask Jurgen?
>
> We agreed some time ago that changes are made in the files using change
> tracking, except of the files that you maintain. Changes t
Uwe Stöhr writes:
> Am 13.01.2010 01:51, schrieb rgheck:
>
>>> Tutorial.lyx: revert r33004 (I guess this was accidentally committed.)
>>>
>> Yes, sorry.
>
> You did similar changes in the past. Why did you remove long dashes by
> "---"? Using three characters to get one in the output is unintuitiv
Am 13.01.2010 01:51, schrieb rgheck:
Tutorial.lyx: revert r33004 (I guess this was accidentally committed.)
Yes, sorry.
You did similar changes in the past. Why did you remove long dashes by "---"? Using three characters
to get one in the output is unintuitive and confuses newbies. Thanks t
On 01/12/2010 07:26 PM, uwesto...@lyx.org wrote:
Author: uwestoehr
Date: Wed Jan 13 01:26:03 2010
New Revision: 33007
URL: http://www.lyx.org/trac/changeset/33007
Log:
Tutorial.lyx: revert r33004 (I guess this was accidentally committed.)
Yes, sorry.
Besides this, please do all changes t
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