Re: [patch] final solution for configure.py to support eLyXer

2009-11-14 Thread José Matos
On Sunday 08 November 2009 02:00:01 rgheck wrote: > I think Jose has been working on it here and there, but very much behind > the scenes. My own view is that we should do one of these two things, or > both: After some of the current ultra-super-mega busy period is over I will post the code I h

Re: [patch] final solution for configure.py to support eLyXer

2009-11-09 Thread Pavel Sanda
> On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 12:55 PM, Pavel Sanda wrote: > > if you are really mind-opened to other world views, my proposal is that it > > has > > something to do with the design quality of the patches, than with this list > > itself :) > > I did miss your review of my patch then. The only person

Re: [patch] final solution for configure.py to support eLyXer

2009-11-09 Thread rgheck
On 11/09/2009 09:30 AM, Jürgen Spitzmüller wrote: Alex Fernandez wrote: I did miss your review of my patch then. The only person that commented on the patch offered was Jürgen, who rejected it on purely aesthetic grounds: "I do not like the menus to be cluttered". If it is a matter of taste

Re: [patch] final solution for configure.py to support eLyXer

2009-11-09 Thread Alex Fernandez
On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 2:41 PM, rgheck wrote: > Well, as usual, my own response to these silly comments is to commit code > rather than to have a pointless debate about the same issue all over again. Yeah, you have never been known for trolling incessantly in public, or (lately) to smear other pe

Re: [patch] final solution for configure.py to support eLyXer

2009-11-09 Thread Jürgen Spitzmüller
Alex Fernandez wrote: > I did miss your review of my patch then. The only person that > commented on the patch offered was Jürgen, who rejected it on purely > aesthetic grounds: "I do not like the menus to be cluttered". If it is > a matter of taste then I don't see why it can't be discussed furthe

Re: [patch] final solution for configure.py to support eLyXer

2009-11-09 Thread Alex Fernandez
On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 12:55 PM, Pavel Sanda wrote: > if you are really mind-opened to other world views, my proposal is that it has > something to do with the design quality of the patches, than with this list > itself :) I did miss your review of my patch then. The only person that commented o

Re: [patch] final solution for configure.py to support eLyXer

2009-11-09 Thread rgheck
On 11/09/2009 06:55 AM, Pavel Sanda wrote: to read another accusations on our heads after just renouncing work on the convertors patch from Juergen is somewhat absurd. Well, as usual, my own response to these silly comments is to commit code rather than to have a pointless debate about the

Re: [patch] final solution for configure.py to support eLyXer

2009-11-09 Thread Pavel Sanda
Alex Fernandez wrote: > On Sun, Nov 8, 2009 at 10:06 PM, rgheck wrote: > >> What is for sure, however, is that warming up this discussion again and > >> again will not help getting it ready either. > > > > Complaints do not do much good, no. > > On the contrary, they are the only way to improveme

Re: [patch] final solution for configure.py to support eLyXer

2009-11-09 Thread Guenter Milde
On 2009-11-06, rgheck wrote: > On 11/06/2009 05:10 AM, Guenter Milde wrote: >> On 2009-11-06, rgheck wrote: ... >> * People that do not like elyxer are advised not to install (or to >>remove/disable it). For the above reasons this is much easier than >>removing htlatex. > How about just

Re: [patch] final solution for configure.py to support eLyXer

2009-11-08 Thread Alex Fernandez
On Sun, Nov 8, 2009 at 10:06 PM, rgheck wrote: >> What is for sure, however, is that warming up this discussion again and >> again will not help getting it ready either. > > Complaints do not do much good, no. On the contrary, they are the only way to improvement. But they need people with open e

Re: [patch] final solution for configure.py to support eLyXer

2009-11-08 Thread rgheck
On 11/08/2009 04:07 AM, Jürgen Spitzmüller wrote: Alex Fernandez wrote: Richard was talking about 1.7, but unfortunately we cannot be sure that it will be ready for the 1.7 timeframe either. You're right, we cannot be sure it will be ready. I doubt we can be sure of anything oth

Re: [patch] final solution for configure.py to support eLyXer

2009-11-08 Thread Jürgen Spitzmüller
Uwe Stöhr wrote: > Sorry for my mistake here. You are right this should go in for branch. > Jürgen? OK. Jürgen

Re: [patch] final solution for configure.py to support eLyXer

2009-11-08 Thread Alex Fernandez
On Sun, Nov 8, 2009 at 6:20 PM, Jürgen Spitzmüller wrote: > Alex Fernandez wrote: >> What I don't understand (and I am sure I am not alone in this) is why >> not go for the easy solution now, just for branch. This would solve >> the problem for 1.6.x while leaving the field open for the good >> lo

Re: [patch] final solution for configure.py to support eLyXer

2009-11-08 Thread Uwe Stöhr
Alex Fernandez schrieb: By the way, when I submitted the patch it worked against trunk, but not against branch -- since trunk uses log() and branch is still using print "". So a version which worked against both necessarily had to remove the log messages. The attached patch restores the log mess

Re: [patch] final solution for configure.py to support eLyXer

2009-11-08 Thread Jürgen Spitzmüller
Alex Fernandez wrote: > What I don't understand (and I am sure I am not alone in this) is why > not go for the easy solution now, just for branch. This would solve > the problem for 1.6.x while leaving the field open for the good > long-term solution for 1.7. Attached is a patch which does just tha

Re: [patch] final solution for configure.py to support eLyXer

2009-11-08 Thread Alex Fernandez
On Sun, Nov 8, 2009 at 10:07 AM, Jürgen Spitzmüller wrote: > You're right, we cannot be sure it will be ready. But the chances are not bad > that it will. It depends on how difficult the integration of multiple > converter chains in the exportableFormats() / getReachable() methods, and it > essent

Re: [patch] final solution for configure.py to support eLyXer

2009-11-08 Thread Alex Fernandez
On Fri, Nov 6, 2009 at 8:49 PM, Uwe Stöhr wrote: > I only want to have the patch in to make configure.py again work on all > platforms. Please discuss all other issues on the list so that everybody can > participate, no matter if this produces more "heat".  My understanding of > democracy is that

Re: [patch] final solution for configure.py to support eLyXer

2009-11-08 Thread Jürgen Spitzmüller
Alex Fernandez wrote: > Richard was talking about 1.7, but unfortunately we cannot be sure > that it will be ready for the 1.7 timeframe either. You're right, we cannot be sure it will be ready. But the chances are not bad that it will. It depends on how difficult the integration of multiple con

Re: [patch] final solution for configure.py to support eLyXer

2009-11-07 Thread rgheck
On 11/07/2009 06:59 PM, Vincent van Ravesteijn wrote: 1.7 equals 2.0, we decided to change the version number, Did we ? I thought it was related to the XML-transition, but this seems to be a rather vague plan that no-one is working on (I hope I don't offend anyone). I'd almost think we can

Re: [patch] final solution for configure.py to support eLyXer

2009-11-07 Thread rgheck
On 11/07/2009 06:50 PM, Pavel Sanda wrote: Alex Fernandez wrote: Then I misunderstood, probably because your statement was part of a response to Richard talking about trunk and my approach (look at the text I quoted). Richard was talking about 1.7, but unfortunately we cannot be sur

Re: [patch] final solution for configure.py to support eLyXer

2009-11-07 Thread Pavel Sanda
Vincent van Ravesteijn wrote: > >> 1.7 equals 2.0, we decided to change the version number, > Did we ? http://www.mail-archive.com/lyx-devel@lists.lyx.org/msg152783.html > I thought it was related to the XML-transition, exactly. >but this seems to be a > rather vague plan that no-one is worki

Re: [patch] final solution for configure.py to support eLyXer

2009-11-07 Thread Vincent van Ravesteijn
1.7 equals 2.0, we decided to change the version number, Did we ? I thought it was related to the XML-transition, but this seems to be a rather vague plan that no-one is working on (I hope I don't offend anyone). I'd almost think we can prepare for 1.8..etc. if that's the criterium (althoug

Re: [patch] final solution for configure.py to support eLyXer

2009-11-07 Thread Pavel Sanda
Alex Fernandez wrote: > > Then I misunderstood, probably because your statement was part of a response > > to Richard talking about trunk and my approach (look at the text I quoted). > > Richard was talking about 1.7, but unfortunately we cannot be sure > that it will be ready for the 1.7 timefram

Re: [patch] final solution for configure.py to support eLyXer

2009-11-07 Thread Alex Fernandez
On Sat, Nov 7, 2009 at 6:34 PM, Jürgen Spitzmüller wrote: > Uwe Stöhr wrote: >> I meant that only different formats can solve it for now (LyX 1.6.x). So >>  what Alex said is exactly  what I meant. > > Then I misunderstood, probably because your statement was part of a response > to Richard talkin

Re: [patch] final solution for configure.py to support eLyXer

2009-11-07 Thread Jürgen Spitzmüller
Uwe Stöhr wrote: > I meant that only different formats can solve it for now (LyX 1.6.x). So > what Alex said is exactly what I meant. Then I misunderstood, probably because your statement was part of a response to Richard talking about trunk and my approach (look at the text I quoted). Jürgen

Re: [patch] final solution for configure.py to support eLyXer

2009-11-07 Thread Uwe Stöhr
> Uwe suggested that he thinks _only_ different > formats can solve the problem, not my approach. I meant that only different formats can solve it for _now_ (LyX 1.6.x). So what Alex said is exactly what I meant. regards Uwe

Re: [patch] final solution for configure.py to support eLyXer

2009-11-07 Thread Jürgen Spitzmüller
Alex Fernandez wrote: > > Why don't you think my approach does not solve this? > > Let me answer that. Your approach is a long-term solution to the > problem (for the 1.7 or 2.0 timeframe), We were talking about trunk. Uwe suggested that he thinks _only_ different formats can solve the problem,

Re: [patch] final solution for configure.py to support eLyXer

2009-11-07 Thread Alex Fernandez
On Sat, Nov 7, 2009 at 9:55 AM, Jürgen Spitzmüller wrote: > Uwe Stöhr wrote: >> > Fortunately, Jürgen's work will improve this situation a good deal for >> > 1.7. But we still have, and will still have, the question what should be >> > the default. >> >> This issue can only be solved by treating t

Re: [patch] final solution for configure.py to support eLyXer

2009-11-07 Thread Jürgen Spitzmüller
Uwe Stöhr wrote: > > Fortunately, Jürgen's work will improve this situation a good deal for > > 1.7. But we still have, and will still have, the question what should be > > the default. > > This issue can only be solved by treating the HTML converters like we > already treat the PDF converters.

Re: [patch] final solution for configure.py to support eLyXer

2009-11-05 Thread Alex Fernandez
On Fri, Nov 6, 2009 at 4:09 AM, rgheck wrote: > These kinds of things matter. And given that elyxer still has some pretty > severe limitations converting quite simple LyX documents, which htlatex does > not have, at least on Linux, I'm a bit puzzled why we use elyxer as the > default. I understand

Re: [patch] final solution for configure.py to support eLyXer

2009-11-05 Thread rgheck
On 11/05/2009 07:41 PM, Uwe Stöhr wrote: The last weeks Alex and me were heavily busy finding a solution to support eLyXer via configure.py that works on all systems and platforms. The solution is a modificated version of the one that was proposed by Alex on this list some weeks ago: first che

[patch] final solution for configure.py to support eLyXer

2009-11-05 Thread Uwe Stöhr
The last weeks Alex and me were heavily busy finding a solution to support eLyXer via configure.py that works on all systems and platforms. The solution is a modificated version of the one that was proposed by Alex on this list some weeks ago: first check if eLyXer is installed as Python module