Re: CM/AE/LM fonts

2008-07-31 Thread Enrico Forestieri
On Fri, Aug 01, 2008 at 01:36:59AM +0200, Pavel Sanda wrote: > Enrico Forestieri wrote: > > On Fri, Aug 01, 2008 at 12:09:53AM +0200, Abdelrazak Younes wrote: > > > > > First "Default" is not not enough information as we don't know which > > > font is default in each of the combo. We should at l

Re: CM/AE/LM fonts

2008-07-31 Thread Will Robertson
Hi Uwe, On 01/08/2008, at 3:19 AM, Uwe Stöhr wrote: > A beautiful default would be best. This is pain. CM are not beautiful? Beauty is a matter of taste, but to be objective, CM are very well designed. The only concrete thing that can be said here is that the LM fonts are an improvement

Re: CM/AE/LM fonts

2008-07-31 Thread Pavel Sanda
Enrico Forestieri wrote: > On Fri, Aug 01, 2008 at 12:09:53AM +0200, Abdelrazak Younes wrote: > > > First "Default" is not not enough information as we don't know which > > font is default in each of the combo. We should at least indicate what > > is the current default (I assume CM) > > You as

Include xypic manual? (was: Re: drop support for xymatrix? - bug found)

2008-07-31 Thread Pavel Sanda
Uwe Stöhr wrote: > > So sorry for the noise. I updated Peter Gumm's LyX xypic manual and will > reference it in the docs. > > regards Uwe I have just read the manual and was delighted by this package. I think it would be good idea to put this manual into our LyX examples directory. For this small

Re: CM/AE/LM fonts

2008-07-31 Thread Enrico Forestieri
On Fri, Aug 01, 2008 at 12:09:53AM +0200, Abdelrazak Younes wrote: > First "Default" is not not enough information as we don't know which > font is default in each of the combo. We should at least indicate what > is the current default (I assume CM) You assume wrong. Default means whatever font

Re: CM/AE/LM fonts

2008-07-31 Thread Abdelrazak Younes
Pavel Sanda wrote: Abdelrazak Younes wrote: Pavel Sanda wrote: what i see now we could do: 1. some better advertisment of lmodern usage. i'm using lyx for years and without Will i won't be aware about this. Me neither. Discoverability is important in GUI design.

Re: CM/AE/LM fonts

2008-07-31 Thread Pavel Sanda
Abdelrazak Younes wrote: > Pavel Sanda wrote: >> what i see now we could do: >> 1. some better advertisment of lmodern usage. i'm using lyx for years and >> without >> Will i won't be aware about this. > > Me neither. Discoverability is important in GUI design. do you have an idea what could

Re: CM/AE/LM fonts

2008-07-31 Thread Abdelrazak Younes
Pavel Sanda wrote: what i see now we could do: 1. some better advertisment of lmodern usage. i'm using lyx for years and without Will i won't be aware about this. Me neither. Discoverability is important in GUI design. 2. i wanted to setup lmodern as default at least for me, but ouch, we

Re: CM/AE/LM fonts

2008-07-31 Thread Pavel Sanda
Uwe Stöhr wrote: > > I personally agree with Will. Most users won't know how to change the > document font; I barely know > myself. > > What? It's just a click in the document settings under fonts. A more > detailed description is given in the UserGuide. > > > A beautiful default would be best. >

Re: File->Open... dialogue on Mac

2008-07-31 Thread rgheck
Anders Ekberg wrote: On 31 jul 2008, at 13.58, Bennett Helm wrote: On Wed, Jul 30, 2008 at 9:49 AM, Anders Ekberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: In the current trunk on Mac (OS X 10.5) the File->Open... dialogue has in the Enable-pop-up menu first the entry LyX Documents and then three x Documen

Re: Please no justification :)

2008-07-31 Thread rgheck
Pavel Sanda wrote: rgheck wrote: Pavel Sanda wrote: The option to remove paragraph justification would also be nice :) Menu Edit->Paragraph settings Oh, I meant for the LyX display of text :) i rememember there was announced speci

Re: CM/AE/LM fonts

2008-07-31 Thread Uwe Stöhr
> I personally agree with Will. Most users won't know how to change the document font; I barely know > myself. What? It's just a click in the document settings under fonts. A more detailed description is given in the UserGuide. > A beautiful default would be best. This is pain. CM are not be

Re: CM/AE/LM fonts

2008-07-31 Thread Uwe Stöhr
>> Why do you think we should especially use LM and not TeXGyre or one of the various other >> beautiful fonts? There's no special reason to prefer LM over others. So we'll let the default >> font the default one - CM. > > In that case you shouldn't use the T1 font encoding by default, because t

Re: CM/AE/LM fonts

2008-07-31 Thread Enrico Forestieri
On Thu, Jul 31, 2008 at 10:55:45PM +0930, Will Robertson wrote: > I'm surprised, and happy, to hear that you use T1 only when possible. Yes, if you launch LyX from a console and look at the output when reconfiguring, you will see that a check for EC fonts is being made. If you are not comfortab

Re: lyxmathsym

2008-07-31 Thread Enrico Forestieri
On Thu, Jul 31, 2008 at 01:27:08PM +0200, Máté Salát wrote: > In an environment like \text{...} is it possible > (1) to make line break? No, but it is rather strange that you need a line break in \text. Maybe you should think better at what you would like to accomplish. If, for some obscure reaso

Re: CM/AE/LM fonts

2008-07-31 Thread Will Robertson
On 31/07/2008, at 11:10 PM, Pavel Sanda wrote: Will Robertson wrote: On 31/07/2008, at 11:00 PM, Pavel Sanda wrote: for this you need to set hyperref settings in document otpions. in that case the preamble created by lyx will be of course more complex. I'm running v1.5.6, and I've triple-

Re: CM/AE/LM fonts

2008-07-31 Thread Will Robertson
On 31/07/2008, at 11:04 PM, Pavel Sanda wrote: Enrico Forestieri wrote: The glyphs are the same, so that is not the point. The point is that LM fonts come in a vector (rather than bitmap) format making them more suitable to pdf output. but the main point i got from previous messages was be

Re: CM/AE/LM fonts

2008-07-31 Thread Steve Litt
On Thursday 31 July 2008 02:58, Abdelrazak Younes wrote: > I personally agree with Will. Most users won't know how to change the > document font; I barely know myself. A beautiful default would be best. :s/beautiful/readable/ SteveT

Re: CM/AE/LM fonts

2008-07-31 Thread Pavel Sanda
Will Robertson wrote: > On 31/07/2008, at 11:00 PM, Pavel Sanda wrote: > >> for this you need to set hyperref settings in document otpions. in that >> case the preamble created by lyx will be of course more complex. > > I'm running v1.5.6, and I've triple-checked, but I don't see any hyperref > se

Re: CM/AE/LM fonts

2008-07-31 Thread Will Robertson
On 31/07/2008, at 11:00 PM, Pavel Sanda wrote: for this you need to set hyperref settings in document otpions. in that case the preamble created by lyx will be of course more complex. I'm running v1.5.6, and I've triple-checked, but I don't see any hyperref settings? Will smime.p7s De

Re: CM/AE/LM fonts

2008-07-31 Thread Pavel Sanda
Enrico Forestieri wrote: > The glyphs are the same, so that is not the point. The point is that > LM fonts come in a vector (rather than bitmap) format making them more > suitable to pdf output. but the main point i got from previous messages was better kerning... ? pavel

Re: CM/AE/LM fonts

2008-07-31 Thread Pavel Sanda
Will Robertson wrote: > Personally, since LaTeX is so hard to master with all its packages, I would > have thought you'd want to steer LyX users into the more fruitful areas > (such as hyperref) that are currently a little tricky to get "just right". for this you need to set hyperref settings in

Re: CM/AE/LM fonts

2008-07-31 Thread Will Robertson
Hi Enrico, I'm surprised, and happy, to hear that you use T1 only when possible. Thanks! Surely just checking for LM doesn't trigger installation under MiKTeX?! Instead of using kpsewhich, couldn't you just mechanically search for the actual files? (After all, you can get the base direc

Re: lyxmathsym

2008-07-31 Thread Will Robertson
On 31/07/2008, at 8:57 PM, Máté Salát wrote: Actually there are two other issues you could help how it is elegant to accomplish. In an environment like \text{...} is it possible (1) to make line break? (2) to open an inner math mode? No, and yes. For example how would you make the attached

Re: CM/AE/LM fonts

2008-07-31 Thread Enrico Forestieri
On Thu, Jul 31, 2008 at 02:46:03PM +0200, Abdelrazak Younes wrote: > OK, thanks for the explanation. The fact that they are suitable to pdf > output is a good argument for making them the default, at least for > pdflatex conversion (which the majority uses I guess by now). Perhaps > this this a

Re: File->Open... dialogue on Mac

2008-07-31 Thread Anders Ekberg
On 31 jul 2008, at 13.58, Bennett Helm wrote: On Wed, Jul 30, 2008 at 9:49 AM, Anders Ekberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: In the current trunk on Mac (OS X 10.5) the File->Open... dialogue has in the Enable-pop-up menu first the entry LyX Documents and then three x Documents entries. Is this

Re: CM/AE/LM fonts

2008-07-31 Thread Abdelrazak Younes
Enrico Forestieri wrote: On Thu, Jul 31, 2008 at 08:58:07AM +0200, Abdelrazak Younes wrote: Will Robertson wrote: So you don't think it's confusing to have *three* choices in the list of fonts that look, on casual inspection, exactly the same? And rather un-helpful to have AE when LM

Re: CM/AE/LM fonts

2008-07-31 Thread Enrico Forestieri
On Thu, Jul 31, 2008 at 08:58:07AM +0200, Abdelrazak Younes wrote: > Will Robertson wrote: > > On 31/07/2008, at 8:08 AM, Uwe Stöhr wrote: > > > >> Will Robertson schrieb: > >> > Better output is relative, we can another font as well as default. > >>> No :) The LM fonts ARE better than the CM

Re: File->Open... dialogue on Mac

2008-07-31 Thread Bennett Helm
On Wed, Jul 30, 2008 at 9:49 AM, Anders Ekberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > In the current trunk on Mac (OS X 10.5) the File->Open... dialogue has in > the Enable-pop-up menu first the entry LyX Documents and then three x > Documents entries. Is this intentional as placeholders or a bug? Looks

Re: lyxmathsym

2008-07-31 Thread Máté Salát
Thanks for the tips from both of you. Actually there are two other issues you could help how it is elegant to accomplish. In an environment like \text{...} is it possible (1) to make line break? (2) to open an inner math mode? For example how would you make the attached formula? I used \substac

Re: Please no justification :)

2008-07-31 Thread Abdelrazak Younes
Abdelrazak Younes wrote: Will Robertson wrote: On 30/07/2008, at 5:18 PM, Abdelrazak Younes wrote: Will Robertson wrote: On 30/07/2008, at 4:01 PM, Abdelrazak Younes wrote: I confirm this bug. Could you please put this in bugzilla.lyx.org? Well, it's not so much a bug as a bad design deci