Re: Ubuntu LoCo's should move to LibrePlanet

2010-06-09 Thread Danny Piccirillo
First off, thanks everyone for the very well thought out responses and i apologize for stepping a bit out of line. My message was far too imposing instead of inviting. I'd like to instead say that if you, personally, are interested in free software, i invite you to join LibrePlanet and start your o

Re: Ubuntu LoCo's should move to LibrePlanet

2010-06-09 Thread J Mark Cox
On Tue, 2010-06-08 at 17:06 -0400, Danny Piccirillo wrote: > Please pass this on to discuss with your loco teams. > http://blog.thesilentnumber.me/2010/06/why-ubuntu-locos-should-move-to.html > > Wow. I think I've read the entire thread; some excellent replies have been posted. I have to chip

Re: Massachusetts Was: Ubuntu LoCo's should move to LibrePlanet

2010-06-09 Thread Paul Tagliamonte
ointed, it won't happen. You > can't _make_ people contribute. You can set the conditions so that > they _might_ if they want to, but you can't force them, and I wouldn't > want to see a LoCo try. > >> I hope I've made clear that the LoCo isn't loco. >

Re: Massachusetts Was: Ubuntu LoCo's should move to LibrePlanet

2010-06-09 Thread Alan Pope
ce them, and I wouldn't want to see a LoCo try. > I hope I've made clear that the LoCo isn't loco. > Sure, sorry if it sounded like I was picking on your loco, I wasn't. > Also look kindly towards Danny, I don't think he means to suggest that > LoCo teams be shut do

Re: Massachusetts Was: Ubuntu LoCo's should move to LibrePlanet

2010-06-09 Thread Martin Owens
Clarification on the current state of the Massachusetts LoCo team and the tarnishing of our good name on this mailing list: On Wed, 2010-06-09 at 13:29 +0100, Alan Pope wrote: > Many other teams already liaise with FLOSS groups, LUGs and > other organisations as part of their advocacy. This is ind

Re: Ubuntu LoCo's should move to LibrePlanet

2010-06-09 Thread Dirk Deimeke
Hi Alan, > Your mail reads like someone wanting to hijack an entire community to > kick start an FSF initiative. that was my very first thought as well. Thanks for bringing it into discussion. Cheers Dirk P.S.: -- Kontakt: http://d5e.org/contact Blog:http://dirk.deimeke.net/ Podcast: ht

Re: Ubuntu LoCo's should move to LibrePlanet

2010-06-09 Thread Alan Pope
Danny, Your mail reads like someone wanting to hijack an entire community to kick start an FSF initiative. This is not the first time I have witnessed this happen. The FSF tried to hijack UK Linux User Groups recently and this was an abysmal failure as the members of those teams saw through the tr

Re: Ubuntu LoCo's should move to LibrePlanet

2010-06-09 Thread Dirk Deimeke
Hello Danny Ubuntu is not only about software it is as well about the philosophy behind the African word "Ubuntu". No member of the community is - as far as I know - brainwashed by Canonical. But every member of the community is dedicated to sharing of software, thoughts, belongings, ... Hu

Re: Ubuntu LoCo's should move to LibrePlanet

2010-06-09 Thread Daniel Holbach
Am 08.06.2010 23:06, schrieb Danny Piccirillo: > Being a LoCo does in many ways lock you in to promoting Ubuntu. You may > promote other software and welcome users of other distros, but by their > very title, LoCo teams exist for Ubuntu. The very reason i began taking > this idea seriously is becau

Re: Ubuntu LoCo's should move to LibrePlanet

2010-06-09 Thread Christophe Sauthier (Huats)
Hello ! To be truly honnest I don't see the point here as I am sure that most LoCo are obviously promoting the Free Software movement. It is at least the case in our Loco (Ubuntu France) where we have always included the other Free Software communities on every of our event. During our parties we

Re: Ubuntu LoCo's should move to LibrePlanet

2010-06-08 Thread Danny Piccirillo
On Tue, Jun 8, 2010 at 22:58, Efrain Valles wrote: > I am not very familiar with LibrePlanet but one of the things that > brings me to LoCo team is the openess and respect for each other all > described in the CoC and other docs. > > I think part of what makes us is the feeling of respect and ad

Re: Ubuntu LoCo's should move to LibrePlanet

2010-06-08 Thread Efrain Valles
I am not very familiar with LibrePlanet but one of the things that brings me to LoCo team is the openess and respect for each other all described in the CoC and other docs. I think part of what makes us is the feeling of respect and admiration for our work. I believe this is hard to achieve when

Re: Ubuntu LoCo's should move to LibrePlanet

2010-06-08 Thread Michael
I understand what it is you want to accomplish by this, but I think that upon closer inspection of the premise of your argument, you will see that this not only is a less ideal approach than what we already have, but may actually be detrimental to your stated cause. As you implied, and was explici

Re: Ubuntu LoCo's should move to LibrePlanet

2010-06-08 Thread Leandro Gómez
2010/6/8 Danny Piccirillo > I have been heavily involved in Ubuntu advocacy for years, but for a while > now, > i've > been considering the prospect of local teams operating independent > of Canonical. AFAIK, the

Re: Ubuntu LoCo's should move to LibrePlanet

2010-06-08 Thread Danny Piccirillo
I just did. Although it isn't just another social group for users, it's a team for activists. Feel free to ignore if you don't care =] On Tue, Jun 8, 2010 at 17:21, Paul Tagliamonte wrote: > Then you can start a LUG. LoCo are for Ubuntu :) > > On Tue, Jun 8, 2010 at 5:20 PM, Danny Piccirillo >

Re: Ubuntu LoCo's should move to LibrePlanet

2010-06-08 Thread Paul Tagliamonte
Then you can start a LUG. LoCo are for Ubuntu :) On Tue, Jun 8, 2010 at 5:20 PM, Danny Piccirillo wrote: > This isn't about undermining Ubuntu. If you only care about Ubuntu, and not > about free software, sure, but i think that most of us do. > > On Tue, Jun 8, 2010 at 17:16, David Overcash > w

Re: Ubuntu LoCo's should move to LibrePlanet

2010-06-08 Thread Danny Piccirillo
Way to leave out the last line =] On Tue, Jun 8, 2010 at 17:17, Paul Tagliamonte wrote: > From #ubuntu-us-ma: > > Jun 08 17:10:13Ubuntu LoCo's primary goal is to promote > ubuntu think of it as Canonical's free, community-based > advertising > Jun 08 17:10:21it's not a FLOSS

Re: Ubuntu LoCo's should move to LibrePlanet

2010-06-08 Thread Danny Piccirillo
This isn't about undermining Ubuntu. If you only care about Ubuntu, and not about free software, sure, but i think that most of us do. On Tue, Jun 8, 2010 at 17:16, David Overcash wrote: > Pass it on? Really? > > While I don't disagree with (a majority of) your argument - using the > structures o

Re: Ubuntu LoCo's should move to LibrePlanet

2010-06-08 Thread Paul Tagliamonte
From #ubuntu-us-ma: Jun 08 17:10:13Ubuntu LoCo's primary goal is to promote ubuntu think of it as Canonical's free, community-based advertising Jun 08 17:10:21it's not a FLOSS group Jun 08 17:10:26it's an ubuntu group Jun 08 17:11:31that's like telling a chevy

Re: Ubuntu LoCo's should move to LibrePlanet

2010-06-08 Thread David Overcash
Pass it on? Really? While I don't disagree with (a majority of) your argument - using the structures of the LoCo community to completely undermine Ubuntu's community support teams seems a bit... mis-targeted. Doesn't it? On Tue, Jun 8, 2010 at 3:06 PM, Danny Piccirillo < danny.picciri...@ubuntu.

Ubuntu LoCo's should move to LibrePlanet

2010-06-08 Thread Danny Piccirillo
Please pass this on to discuss with your loco teams. http://blog.thesilentnumber.me/2010/06/why-ubuntu-locos-should-move-to.html In the debate over whether it is worth supporting projects like Ubuntu which are not purely free software, my opinion thus far remains that Ubuntu does help further the