Then you can start a LUG. LoCo are for Ubuntu :) On Tue, Jun 8, 2010 at 5:20 PM, Danny Piccirillo <danny.picciri...@ubuntu.com> wrote: > This isn't about undermining Ubuntu. If you only care about Ubuntu, and not > about free software, sure, but i think that most of us do. > > On Tue, Jun 8, 2010 at 17:16, David Overcash <funnylookin...@gmail.com> > wrote: >> >> Pass it on? Really? >> While I don't disagree with (a majority of) your argument - using the >> structures of the LoCo community to completely undermine Ubuntu's community >> support teams seems a bit... mis-targeted. Doesn't it? >> >> On Tue, Jun 8, 2010 at 3:06 PM, Danny Piccirillo >> <danny.picciri...@ubuntu.com> wrote: >>> >>> Please pass this on to discuss with your loco teams. >>> >>> http://blog.thesilentnumber.me/2010/06/why-ubuntu-locos-should-move-to.html >>> In the debate over whether it is worth supporting projects like Ubuntu >>> which are not purely free software, my opinion thus far remains that Ubuntu >>> does help further the free software movement. Arguments against this are >>> welcome, but that is a discussion for a future post. The reason that >>> Ubuntu's local community teams should move to LibrePlanet is because having >>> one of the worlds strongest FLOSS advocacy networks centered around one >>> piece of software and sponsored by one company is a disservice to the >>> greater free software community. >>> >>> I have been heavily involved in Ubuntu advocacy for years, but for a >>> while now, i've been considering the prospect of local teams operating >>> independent of Canonical. This would not be a move to abandon Ubuntu, but >>> simply to open up more possibilities and reach our full potential. Most >>> people in LoCos are not loyal to Ubuntu, but to free software (aka open >>> source). We are united by a set of ideals and work together to promote >>> software which helps further these ideals. Why then, must all of our >>> advocacy revolve around one GNU+Linux distribution? There are two main >>> reasons for why it currently does. >>> >>> Firstly, because Ubuntu is seen by most people as the best way to >>> introduce new people to a (mostly) free desktop environment. It is certainly >>> much easier to simply promote one operating system than a family of them. >>> Still, this is no reason to limit ourselves. A team not entirely exclusive >>> to Ubuntu can just as easily choose to promote Ubuntu exclusively for events >>> aimed at the general public. Ubuntu may be the best now, but if something >>> better came along or if Ubuntu went downhill, we should be able and ready to >>> adapt. Being an Ubuntu LoCo does not provide this flexibility. >>> >>> Secondly, because the infrastructure is there. Canonical provides a wiki >>> and mailing lists to their teams and in exchange, the teams work for them, >>> albeit loosely, as part of the Ubuntu LoCo project, under its name and >>> banner. Canonical also provides printed install discs to officially approved >>> teams, but there is no reason why Canonical should not provide sponsorship >>> to any team of people who will be promoting Ubuntu. It's mutually >>> beneficial. In the meantime, to continue receiving materials only provided >>> to officially approved teams, LoCo's can continue to operate alongside >>> LibrePlanet groups. This isn't all to say that Canincal has been working to >>> actively lock teams in, but this is the effect it now has. Creating the LoCo >>> project, providing the structure needed to establish global network of local >>> advocacy teams, was a great service, but the time has come to grow beyond >>> its current scope. >>> >>> LibrePlanet is inspired by Ubuntu's LoCo Project, but it's instead >>> organized around ideals, not any particular piece of software. Surely there >>> are some who only care about what tools work best, but let's not forget the >>> ideals which made these better tools possible. Most of us imagine a world >>> where these ideals are universal and see an incredible amount of potential >>> in that. LibrePlanet isn't yet another social group for GNU+Linux users, but >>> a team of activists. These groups are more open to users of any free >>> software who may be interested in advocacy. Sponsorship could come from >>> Canonical, Mozilla, or whoever. Isn't this much more in line with the nature >>> of FLOSS? >>> >>> Being a LoCo does in many ways lock you in to promoting Ubuntu. You may >>> promote other software and welcome users of other distros, but by their very >>> title, LoCo teams exist for Ubuntu. The very reason i began taking this idea >>> seriously is because some non-Ubuntu users wanted to get involved with an >>> event organized by my local community team, but did not want to work under >>> an Ubuntu banner (literally). I don't blame them. I went on to discover many >>> people who lurk on our mailing list and even IRC channel simply hadn't >>> gotten involved because they were put off by the exclusive nature of the >>> group even though they do happen to use Ubuntu themselves. There is an >>> incredible network of people out there who want to help, and we shouldn't >>> box them out. >>> >>> Many people have some badly tainted perceptions of the FSF, but being a >>> LibrePlanet team does not require strict adherence to FSF rules. Teams could >>> work on would be creating a voice for free software that doesn't have the >>> (in my opinion mostly wrong) reputation of the FSF to be too extreme, and >>> this is coming from someone who often doesn't agree with their approach. To >>> provide an example and get the ball rolling, i'd like to announce >>> the LibrePlanet Massachusetts Team. >>> >>> Mailing >>> list: http://lists.libreplanet.org/mailman/listinfo/libreplanet-us-ma >>> IRC: #libreplanet-us-ma on FreeNode >>> >>>> The LibrePlanet Massachusetts Team is a group of volunteers and >>>> activists organized around furthering the ideals of free software and >>>> related issues concerning digital rights and free culture. >>>> >>>> This group is working towards a free society through free software, but >>>> we are not a local Free Software Foundation team. We share the same end >>>> goals as the FSF, but some of us may find it necessary and more effective >>>> to >>>> make some temporary compromises with proprietary software in order to >>>> better >>>> spread free software. Some of us may not necessarily say GNU+Linux or >>>> always >>>> say "free software" instead of "open source", and some of us may use >>>> pragmatic benefits to advocate free software with the understanding that >>>> freedom is the underlying concern and principle which makes it all >>>> possible. >>>> We are open to people of all levels of interest in free software and >>>> welcome >>>> new participants. We are all united in the fight for software freedom as an >>>> important and necessary means for the prospect of a free society. >>> >>> You can start your own LibrePlanet chapter >>> here: http://groups.fsf.org/wiki/Form:Group >>> >>> -- >>> .danny >>> >>> ☮♥Ⓐ - http://www.google.com/profiles/danny.piccirillo >>> Every (in)decision matters. >>> >>> -- >>> loco-contacts mailing list >>> loco-contacts@lists.ubuntu.com >>> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/loco-contacts >>> >> >> >> -- >> loco-contacts mailing list >> loco-contacts@lists.ubuntu.com >> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/loco-contacts >> > > > > -- > .danny > > ☮♥Ⓐ - http://www.google.com/profiles/danny.piccirillo > Every (in)decision matters. > > -- > loco-contacts mailing list > loco-contacts@lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/loco-contacts > >
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