Re: OSS-IL Coverage on Captain Internet

2004-04-13 Thread Karasik, Vitaly
Kudos to Dan again! http://www.linuxworld.com/story/44466.htm Rgds, Vitaly *** Information contained in this email message is intended only for use of the individual or entity named above. If the reader of this mess

Re: Linux distribution for black-box type firewall/router

2004-04-13 Thread Oded Arbel
On Monday 12 April 2004 02:04, Diego Iastrubni wrote: > Oded, debian is the only distro which you can trust with packages. It comes > with a price: hard install + no gui. I'm really sick with all the Debian bias on this list. there are other distros out there, some are very good and some are bett

Re: Linux distribution for black-box type firewall/router

2004-04-13 Thread Oded Arbel
On Monday 12 April 2004 00:43, Baruch Even wrote: > * Diego Iastrubni <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [040412 00:34]: > > On Sunday 11 April 2004 22:48, Oded Arbel wrote: > > > Hi List. > > > > > > - upgradable. something with a history of frequent updates - emphasis > > > on "history" and "frequent". > > > >

Re: Linux distribution for black-box type firewall/router

2004-04-13 Thread Leonid Podolny
Oded Arbel wrote: On Monday 12 April 2004 02:04, Diego Iastrubni wrote: Oded, debian is the only distro which you can trust with packages. It comes with a price: hard install + no gui. I'm really sick with all the Debian bias on this list. there are other distros out there, some are very good

Re: Linux distribution for black-box type firewall/router

2004-04-13 Thread Omer Zak
On Tue, 13 Apr 2004, Leonid Podolny wrote: > Now to the subject. I'm going to sound the extremely heretical idea. Not > everyone needs a Linux router for that. What I'd do in such situation is > get them a dedicated router specially designed for that matter. I don't > mean the PC with Linux insta

Re: Linux distribution for black-box type firewall/router

2004-04-13 Thread Aaron
Hi, I have tried unsuccessfully to install debian a number of times. I keep coming back to rh based distros, but I must admit that debian boxes I have worked on run faster and are more stable. I beta tested Xandros and I have no idea how good it would be for a black-box but easy to install it is,

Re: Linux distribution for black-box type firewall/router

2004-04-13 Thread Maxim Kovgan
On Tue, 13 Apr 2004, Aaron wrote: > Hi, > > I have tried unsuccessfully to install debian a number of times. > I keep coming back to rh based distros, but I must admit that debian > boxes I have worked on run faster and are more stable. this is strange, since ... the advantage of Debian comes best

RE: Linux distribution for black-box type firewall/router

2004-04-13 Thread Weinstein, Alon
> By the way, how come that no Debian installer had itch, which > can be scratched by an user-friendly GUI installer? > Perhaps Anaconda for Debian will do the trick. http://platform.progeny.com/anaconda/ = To unsubscribe, se

Re: Linux distribution for black-box type firewall/router

2004-04-13 Thread Leonid Podolny
Omer Zak wrote: While the user is naive, the installer (his sysadmin) is not. As far as I understand, the reason why Oded started this thread was to be the installer, not the sysadmin. The suggestion to use a dedicated router eliminates two important advantages of DIY (Do It Yourself) Linux i

Re: Linux distribution for black-box type firewall/router

2004-04-13 Thread Oded Arbel
×Tuesday 13 April 2004 12:32, ×× ××× Leonid Podolny: > I haven't heard such a thing on this list for a long time. For some > reason, people fail to understand that the goal defines the means of > achieving it, not vice versa. If one of the basic requirements is "easy > installation (next,next,

Re: Linux distribution for black-box type firewall/router

2004-04-13 Thread Omer Zak
On Tue, 13 Apr 2004, Leonid Podolny wrote: > > The suggestion to use a dedicated router eliminates two important > > advantages of DIY (Do It Yourself) Linux installation: > > 1. Access to security updates under your control and at your pace. > > Exactly what I am talking about. He doesn't need s

Re: Linux distribution for black-box type firewall/router

2004-04-13 Thread Shachar Shemesh
Omer Zak wrote: By the way, how come that no Debian installer had itch, which can be scratched by an user-friendly GUI installer? Says who? At this stage the installer is focusing on the "user-friendly" part, rather than the "GUI" part. Once the former is achieved, the later will also be don

Re: Linux distribution for black-box type firewall/router

2004-04-13 Thread Aaron
What killed me was intalling X... aaron > Not perfect, nor 100% complete (X is not yet configured through it), but > defenitely a huge step forward. > > Shachar = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the

Re: Linux distribution for black-box type firewall/router

2004-04-13 Thread Yedidyah Bar-David
On Tue, Apr 13, 2004 at 05:18:32PM +0300, Shachar Shemesh wrote: > Omer Zak wrote: > > >By the way, how come that no Debian installer had itch, which can be > >scratched by an user-friendly GUI installer? > > > > > Says who? > > At this stage the installer is focusing on the "user-friendly" part

Re: Linux distribution for black-box type firewall/router

2004-04-13 Thread Oded Arbel
×Tuesday 13 April 2004 16:36, ×× ××× Leonid Podolny: > > 2. Ability (in principle) to audit the router's software to ensure > > that there are no hidden backdoors. > > Backdoors by whom? The manufacturer wouldn't intentionally leave > backdoors -- he cares too much about its reputation. It m

Re: Anaconda for Debian (Was: Linux for black-box router)

2004-04-13 Thread Oded Arbel
×Tuesday 13 April 2004 16:22, ×× ××× Weinstein, Alon: > > By the way, how come that no Debian installer had itch, which > > can be scratched by an user-friendly GUI installer? > > Perhaps Anaconda for Debian will do the trick. > > > http://platform.progeny.com/anaconda/ Loved the preface: Red

Re: Anaconda for Debian (Was: Linux for black-box router)

2004-04-13 Thread Uri Sharf
Not sure what you mean by: > Thing is - how do I hack into a Debian ISO ? I don't see much point in > installing Debian and then installing Anaconda on it. In any case I don't recommend using Progeny's, since it seems very unstable. It tends to crash during install if you select anything other

Re: Linux distribution for black-box type firewall/router

2004-04-13 Thread Guy Teverovsky
On Tue, 2004-04-13 at 17:02, Omer Zak wrote: [snip] > > Recently it was advertised that some models of Cisco routers have backdoor > with default passwords. I don't have the reference on hand. http://www.cisco.com/en/US/products/products_security_advisory09186a00802119c8.shtml Guy -- Smith &

Re: Linux distribution for black-box type firewall/router

2004-04-13 Thread Aaron
Well, my main beef is Fedora Core 1. When I run apt-get or Yum my system crawls to a stop. At first I was told it was my video drivers but I install the nvidia drivers without a hitch. Aaron On Tue, 2004-04-13 at 16:18, Maxim Kovgan wrote: > On Tue, 13 Apr 2004, Aaron wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > I

Re: Linux distribution for black-box type firewall/router

2004-04-13 Thread Micha Feigin
On Tue, Apr 13, 2004 at 10:55:30AM +0300, Oded Arbel wrote: > On Monday 12 April 2004 00:43, Baruch Even wrote: > > * Diego Iastrubni <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [040412 00:34]: > > > On Sunday 11 April 2004 22:48, Oded Arbel wrote: > > > > Hi List. > > > > > > > > - upgradable. something with a history of

Ken Thompson's UNIX backdoor

2004-04-13 Thread linux-il
http://www.computerworld.com.au/index.php?id=1224882570&eid=-219: In a speech intended to serve us a wake-up call to anyone relying on the "many eyes" that look at the Linux source code to quickly find any subversions, the CEO of Green Hills Software Inc. last week reminded his audience how Uni

Re: Ken Thompson's UNIX backdoor

2004-04-13 Thread Yedidyah Bar-David
On Wed, Apr 14, 2004 at 08:18:24AM +0300, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > http://www.computerworld.com.au/index.php?id=1224882570&eid=-219: > > In a speech intended to serve us a wake-up call to anyone relying on the > "many eyes" that look at the Linux source code to quickly find any > subversions,