Quoth Oleg Goldshmidt on Wed, Mar 05, 2003:
> Beni Cherniavsky <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > rsh (1) - remote shell
>
> Indeed, that's what linux man page says. Historically though (and
> probably today on some platforms) rsh is/was "restricted", with
> "remote shell" named remsh.
On SysV. Rem
Quoth Tzafrir Cohen on Wed, Mar 05, 2003:
> On Wed, 5 Mar 2003, Vadim Vygonets wrote:
> > Seen it. Not so convenient, and *really* doesn't belong
> > together. Nor do I see the point of having a mailer inside your
> > browser.
>
> This is a work around a *problem* of the system/UI.
I'm not sayi
On 2003-03-07, Ira Abramov wrote:
> Quoting Beni Cherniavsky, from the post of Fri, 07 Mar:
> > > all very nice and valid points, but why would you want to look at a
> > > spreadsheet as a programming language, when it was never meant to be one
> > > or replace it?
> > >
> > Well, because my mothe
Quoting Dan Kenigsberg, from the post of Tue, 04 Mar:
>
> This reminds me of an ancient story about MS acquiring the English
> language. (http://www.stokely.com/lighter.side/ms.english.html for
> once)
well, the BSA's bot is not the only busy one... and apperently ZX
Spectrum games are illegal t
On 2003-03-06, Ira Abramov wrote:
> Quoting Beni Cherniavsky, from the post of Wed, 05 Mar:
> > On 2003-03-05, Yedidyah Bar-David wrote:
> >
> > > For complex things, I usually find complex, sophisticated spreadsheets
> > > much less maintainable than real programs (or scripts). I have heard
> > >
On Thu, Mar 06, 2003 at 07:25:49PM +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> On Wed, 2003-03-05 at 20:41, Tzafrir Cohen wrote:
> > On Wed, 5 Mar 2003, Vadim Vygonets wrote:
> >
> > > Quoth [EMAIL PROTECTED] on Tue, Mar 04, 2003:
> > > > You remind me what I knew about using Windows before I arrived to my
On Thu, 6 Mar 2003 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> On Wed, 2003-03-05 at 20:41, Tzafrir Cohen wrote:
> > On Wed, 5 Mar 2003, Vadim Vygonets wrote:
> >
> > > Quoth [EMAIL PROTECTED] on Tue, Mar 04, 2003:
> > > > You remind me what I knew about using Windows before I arrived to my
> > > > current workpla
On Thu, 2003-03-06 at 19:51, Ira Abramov wrote:
> the point is, the right tool for the right job. I agree plugins are
> great, and I agree the CLI pipeline is not too "smart" in many cases to
> serve all the needs, but forking to a new process with several file
> descriptors (not just the one) is a
Quoting [EMAIL PROTECTED], from the post of Thu, 06 Mar:
> > cat file [|possible pipe] | lpr
>
> I find their interface today more convenient to some tasks than the
> ASCII-alone world of pipes and command line).
>
> UNIX command line tools are great for some jobs, but the computer world
> ha
Well hello there, Richard Stallman :)
On Thu, 6 Mar 2003, Michael Rozhavsky wrote:
> On Tue, Mar 04, 2003 at 05:50:37PM +0200, Alon Weinstein wrote:
> > Care to list the alternative options? I can guess Lyx for document creation,
> > GIMP for image manipulation, but that's where my list ends. W
Quoting Beni Cherniavsky, from the post of Wed, 05 Mar:
> On 2003-03-05, Yedidyah Bar-David wrote:
>
> > For complex things, I usually find complex, sophisticated spreadsheets
> > much less maintainable than real programs (or scripts). I have heard
> > horror stories about thousands lines of macro
On Wed, 2003-03-05 at 20:41, Tzafrir Cohen wrote:
> On Wed, 5 Mar 2003, Vadim Vygonets wrote:
>
> > Quoth [EMAIL PROTECTED] on Tue, Mar 04, 2003:
> > > You remind me what I knew about using Windows before I arrived to my
> > > current workplace. Outlook is not just a mail client but a (convenient
Quoting [EMAIL PROTECTED], from the post of Tue, 04 Mar:
> In kde3.2 kmail and korganizer will be one software. Again I dont like
> this, and I like things as thry are now. If I want to look at my
> meetings I will not open my mail progaram.
Outlook's consept is very nice, it sees itself as the c
Quoting Muli Ben-Yehuda, from the post of Tue, 04 Mar:
> On Tue, Mar 04, 2003 at 04:14:07PM +0200, Eli Billauer wrote:
>
> > Because if you open KWord, you can't take it as anything else but a
> > clone of MS-Word. It looks the same, it feels the same, and it has a
>
> So... don't open KWord! I
Quite off-topic for this list, so...
On Thu, 6 Mar 2003, Beni Cherniavsky wrote:
> On 2003-03-06, Tzafrir Cohen wrote:
>
> > On Wed, 5 Mar 2003, Beni Cherniavsky wrote:
>
> > * spreadsheets (following lotus 1-2-3 ?) provide "cell aliases" which are
> > names to specific cells/blocks . In other
On 2003-03-06, Tzafrir Cohen wrote:
> On Wed, 5 Mar 2003, Beni Cherniavsky wrote:
>
> > * Adresses are numerical (2D is irrelevant). That's about the first
> > thing smart programmers stopped to do (e.g. with assemblers; stupid
> > ones continued it surprisingly long, e.g. BASIC until late).
On Tue, Mar 04, 2003 at 05:50:37PM +0200, Alon Weinstein wrote:
> Care to list the alternative options? I can guess Lyx for document creation,
> GIMP for image manipulation, but that's where my list ends. What are the
> options to perform other common tasks:
>
> -- Email & Organizer (an only-email
On Wed, 5 Mar 2003, Beni Cherniavsky wrote:
> On 2003-03-05, Yedidyah Bar-David wrote:
>
> > For complex things, I usually find complex, sophisticated spreadsheets
> > much less maintainable than real programs (or scripts). I have heard
> > horror stories about thousands lines of macros that organ
On Wed, 5 Mar 2003, Vadim Vygonets wrote:
> Quoth [EMAIL PROTECTED] on Tue, Mar 04, 2003:
> > You remind me what I knew about using Windows before I arrived to my
> > current workplace. Outlook is not just a mail client but a (convenient!
> > IMHO) address book + calendar + notes + mail organizer
On 2003-03-05, Arie Folger wrote:
> On Wednesday 05 March 2003 15:59, Beni Cherniavsky wrote:
> > - You can't write a loop that will execute the same code many times.
> > This too existed in Babbage's engine but algorithms were written
> > expecting such an ability long before, for examp
Quoth [EMAIL PROTECTED] on Tue, Mar 04, 2003:
> You remind me what I knew about using Windows before I arrived to my
> current workplace. Outlook is not just a mail client but a (convenient!
> IMHO) address book + calendar + notes + mail organizer. You can say they
> don't belong together but the
On Wednesday 05 March 2003 15:59, Beni Cherniavsky wrote:
> - You can't write a loop that will execute the same code many times.
> This too existed in Babbage's engine but algorithms were written
> expecting such an ability long before, for example Euclid's
> algorithm for finding the
On 2003-03-05, Yedidyah Bar-David wrote:
> For complex things, I usually find complex, sophisticated spreadsheets
> much less maintainable than real programs (or scripts). I have heard
> horror stories about thousands lines of macros that organizations
> depend on and noone knows what's inside the
Beni Cherniavsky <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> On 2003-03-05, Oleg Goldshmidt wrote:
>
> > Beni Cherniavsky <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> >
> > > Isn't rsh with an empty password a good replacement for Outlook? :-(
> >
> > No. The "r" in rsh stands for "restricted"...
> >
> rsh (1) - remote shell
On 2003-03-05, Oleg Goldshmidt wrote:
> Beni Cherniavsky <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> > Isn't rsh with an empty password a good replacement for Outlook? :-(
>
> No. The "r" in rsh stands for "restricted"...
>
rsh (1) - remote shell
The one that is a big security hole even with a password...
-
Beni Cherniavsky <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Isn't rsh with an empty password a good replacement for Outlook? :-(
No. The "r" in rsh stands for "restricted"...
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You have your expectations mixed - innovation is not the point of
GNU\Linux. Freedom is. I'm not saying this just to sound like Stallman,
it's important to understand that innovation/variety/interest is always
built on the basic platform of freedom. Innovation is the first thing
that goes when ther
On Tue, 4 Mar 2003 21:44:21 +0200 (IST)
Stanislav Malyshev <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> EB>> Whatever I think about IP laws, I can't escape the bare fact
> EB>> that KWord violates quite a few of them.
(EB) declares his hypothesis a fact :-)
> When _I_ think about IP laws, I can't help thinking
On Tue, Mar 04, 2003 at 05:50:37PM +0200, Alon Weinstein wrote:
> > > Because if you open KWord, you can't take it as anything else but a
> > > clone of MS-Word. It looks the same, it feels the same, and it has a
> > > very related name. Every little item on the window's outline
> > just happen
> >
Stanislav Malyshev wrote:
SF>> Mac OS9 is one of the best UI out there for "your grandma". OSX does a
And so on, and so on - if you catch me in a good moment, I can go on for a
good hour on how the "best GUI ever" is only the best for one who was
trained to use it for years but is outright confusi
SF>> Mac OS9 is one of the best UI out there for "your grandma". OSX does a
Maybe for grandma, I don't know, had no chance to ever teach my grandma
computers... But as for me, the mac OS appeared to me first very much
unusable. The concept of "one application per system" is rather confusing
- wher
Quoth [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
> Not recently. In fact I can't remember when I actually used a Mac.
> My clearest memory is circa Apple IIc and Mac 1 (Marc - it's when we
> first met - do you remember what year it was?)
Certainly before '85. Probably before '83. Possibly around 81-82.
--
---MAV
On Tue, 2003-03-04 at 22:05, Shoshannah Forbes wrote:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > I think many people who despise MS (me among them) admit that they are
> > kings when it comes to GUI design and usability for non-technical users.
>
> I guess you never used a Mac then...
Not recently. In fact I
On 2003-03-04, Vadim Vygonets wrote:
> Quoth Alon Weinstein on Tue, Mar 04, 2003:
> > Care to list the alternative options? I can guess Lyx for document creation,
> > GIMP for image manipulation, but that's where my list ends. What are the
> > options to perform other common tasks:
> >
> > -- Emai
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I think many people who despise MS (me among them) admit that they are
kings when it comes to GUI design and usability for non-technical users.
I guess you never used a Mac then...
Mac OS9 is one of the best UI out there for "your grandma". OSX does a
fine job as well, al
On Tue, 2003-03-04 at 18:38, Vadim Vygonets wrote:
> Quoth Alon Weinstein on Tue, Mar 04, 2003:
> > Care to list the alternative options? I can guess Lyx for document creation,
> > GIMP for image manipulation, but that's where my list ends. What are the
> > options to perform other common tasks:
>
EB>> Whatever I think about IP laws, I can't escape the bare fact
EB>> that KWord violates quite a few of them.
When _I_ think about IP laws, I can't help thinking it is basically wrong
to give people ownership of ideas. This concept have gone way too far. If
someone discovered the fact that human
"Nadav Har'El" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> And about "looking like MS-Word", do you also say that Mazda cars (say)
> stole something from Ford, because Ford had the concept of a car, with
> four wheels and an engine, before Mazda? Since when is honestly producing
> competing products to successf
ok, i see that you understand what I sayd before I malied it...
sorry...
> Again I agree, and that is why I fell in love with Linux. To extend my
> previous point -- if there was some kind of a Graphics Interface
> equivalent
> to pipes so people could combine GUI-ed together as easily as doing
> > Care to list the alternative options? I can guess Lyx for document
> > creation,
> > GIMP for image manipulation, but that's where my list ends. What are
> > the
> > options to perform other common tasks:
> >
> > -- Email & Organizer (an only-email client is no replacement for Outlook
> > or
>
Quoting Alon Weinstein <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> > > Because if you open KWord, you can't take it as anything else but
> a
> > > clone of MS-Word. It looks the same, it feels the same, and it has
> a
> > > very related name. Every little item on the window's outline
> > just happen
> > > to be exact
> On Tue, Mar 04, 2003, Eli Billauer wrote about "Re: [Fwd: BSA Accuses OpenOffice
> ftp sites of piracy]":
> > But the problem is not that some people want a WYSIWYG word processor,
> > or spreadsheets. Micro$oft doesn't have any rights on the WYSIWYG
Gilad Ben-Yossef wrote:
Eli Billauer wrote:
> And the other sad thing, is that Linux is risking its legitimate
status
by offending laws of intellectual property. And for no reason at all.
IANAL, but I think Linux is taking the very same risk Microsoft is -
when they took the Mac OS look & f
On Tue, Mar 04, 2003, Eli Billauer wrote about "Re: [Fwd: BSA Accuses OpenOffice ftp
sites of piracy]":
> But the problem is not that some people want a WYSIWYG word processor,
> or spreadsheets. Micro$oft doesn't have any rights on the WYSIWYG
> concept. But if you c
On 2003-03-04, Eli Billauer wrote:
> Muli Ben-Yehuda wrote:
>
> >So... don't open KWord!
> >
> I had no choice. I had to see what Openoffice was, so I opened it. ;)
>
You are confused, I'm afraid. KWord is part of KOffice, which is part
of KDE. OpenWriter is part of OpenOffice, OSS derivative of
Eli Billauer wrote:
> And the other sad thing, is that Linux is risking its legitimate status
by offending laws of intellectual property. And for no reason at all.
IANAL, but I think Linux is taking the very same risk Microsoft is -
when they took the Mac OS look & feel from Apple. Apple filed s
Muli Ben-Yehuda wrote:
So... don't open KWord!
I had no choice. I had to see what Openoffice was, so I opened it. ;)
Otherwise, I'm a great fan of LaTeX.
But the problem is not that some people want a WYSIWYG word processor,
or spreadsheets. Micro$oft doesn't have any rights on the WYSIWYG
c
Quoth Shoshannah Forbes on Tue, Mar 04, 2003:
> IANAL.
> Said that, I am not sure that most of the "windows like" OSS is actaully
> braking intellectual property laws. But this is OT...
Apple say it is breaking intellectual property laws, Microsoft
says (or at least *used* to say) it's not. Look
Quoth Alon Weinstein on Tue, Mar 04, 2003:
> Care to list the alternative options? I can guess Lyx for document creation,
> GIMP for image manipulation, but that's where my list ends. What are the
> options to perform other common tasks:
>
> -- Email & Organizer (an only-email client is no replace
On Tue, Mar 04, 2003 at 05:50:37PM +0200, Alon Weinstein wrote:
> > So... don't open KWord! I don't use any Linux app which imitates the
> > (broken, IMHO) MS GUI interfaces. Neither KWord, nor evolution, nor
> > openoffice, nor name-your-favorite-MS-application-Linux-clone.
>
> Care to list the
> > Because if you open KWord, you can't take it as anything else but a
> > clone of MS-Word. It looks the same, it feels the same, and it has a
> > very related name. Every little item on the window's outline
> just happen
> > to be exactly where MS-Word put it. This can't be mistaken.
>
> So... d
Eli Billauer wrote:
Because if you open KWord, you can't take it as anything else but a
clone of MS-Word. It looks the same, it feels the same, and it has a
very related name. Every little item on the window's outline just
happen to be exactly where MS-Word put it. This can't be mistaken.
Just
On Tue, Mar 04, 2003 at 04:14:07PM +0200, Eli Billauer wrote:
> Because if you open KWord, you can't take it as anything else but a
> clone of MS-Word. It looks the same, it feels the same, and it has a
> very related name. Every little item on the window's outline just happen
> to be exactly w
I think this is quite sad. Not the BSA accusations, but the fact that
they are right.
Because if you open KWord, you can't take it as anything else but a
clone of MS-Word. It looks the same, it feels the same, and it has a
very related name. Every little item on the window's outline just happen
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