On Tue, 2003-03-04 at 22:05, Shoshannah Forbes wrote:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > I think many people who despise MS (me among them) admit that they are
> > kings when it comes to GUI design and usability for non-technical users.
> 
> I guess you never used a Mac then...

Not recently. In fact I can't remember when I actually used a Mac.
My clearest memory is circa Apple IIc and Mac 1 (Marc - it's when we
first met - do you remember what year it was?)

> 
> Mac OS9 is one of the best UI out there for "your grandma". OSX does a 
> fine job as well, althugh the unix under it still tends to pop up a bit 
> to often for a "no nothing" user (althugh it is getting better, and it 
> is one of the best UIs out there).

Could very well be - it doesn't exclude the idea the MS still know how
to design GUI's, even if others might do it better in some corners (but
MS were probably smart enough to invest in developer tools :).

In any case - putting aside some relatively recent developments in the
Linux GUI world (KDE 3.1 springs to my mind), I still think MS
applications have some more coherancy than, let's say, xterm + evolution
+ mplayer or something like that living on the same screen. And that's a
long way from Motif or Xaw which was what you had to put up with back as
late as the mid-90's (the X Athena Widget set was created just to test
the widget infrastructure and stayed around far too long simply because
there was no other free and generally accepted alternative for years).

> 
> Some of MS applications are quite good, but they are by no means best 
> when it comes to the UI (those horrible tabbs in Office's prefrences, 
> anyone?)



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