Re: OO and problems parentheses in mixed hebrew/english text

2004-11-15 Thread Shoshannah Forbes
On 15/11/2004, at 15:32, Tzafrir Cohen wrote: What charset do you use? ISO-8859-8 includes none of the special bidi chars. cp1255 contains only LRM and RLM . UTF-8 has them all. OpenOffice uses Unicode internally. Sometimes it won't function properly when a user attempts to run it as a non-unicod

Re: OO and problems parentheses in mixed hebrew/english text

2004-11-15 Thread Matitiahu Allouche
Tzafir Cohen wrote: "ISO-8859-8 includes none of the special bidi chars." This is true or not depending on the version of ISO-8859-8 that you consider. A relatively recent update (but still dating several years back) added LRM and RLM to ISO-8859-8. Agents, of course, may implement the older

Re: OO and problems parentheses in mixed hebrew/english text

2004-11-15 Thread Micha Feigin
On Mon, 15 Nov 2004, Tzafrir Cohen wrote: > On Mon, Nov 15, 2004 at 02:46:28PM +0200, Micha Feigin wrote: > > At Sun, 31 Oct 2004 22:27:12 +0200, > > Amit Aronovitch wrote: > > > > > > First of all, thanks Tzafrir - I was not aware that the lyx and SI > > > variants had any bidi chars in them >

Re: OO and problems parentheses in mixed hebrew/english text

2004-11-15 Thread Tzafrir Cohen
On Mon, Nov 15, 2004 at 02:46:28PM +0200, Micha Feigin wrote: > At Sun, 31 Oct 2004 22:27:12 +0200, > Amit Aronovitch wrote: > > > > First of all, thanks Tzafrir - I was not aware that the lyx and SI > > variants had any bidi chars in them > > (I do remember googlin and greppin around before star

Re: OO and problems parentheses in mixed hebrew/english text

2004-11-15 Thread Shachar Shemesh
Micha Feigin wrote: Also, what is the difference between all of these? Mainly LRE vs. LRO are puzzling. I can't explain it in details without referring you to the full Unicode annex dealing with BiDi. Since there is no reason for you to fully read and understand the 20 something points of the

Re: OO and problems parentheses in mixed hebrew/english text

2004-11-15 Thread Micha Feigin
At Sun, 31 Oct 2004 22:27:12 +0200, Amit Aronovitch wrote: > > First of all, thanks Tzafrir - I was not aware that the lyx and SI > variants had any bidi chars in them > (I do remember googlin and greppin around before starting to mess with > symbol files - probably did not do that very well - s

Re: OO and problems parentheses in mixed hebrew/english text

2004-11-10 Thread Jonathan Ben Avraham
Hi Shosh, Note that as of Monday this week we migrated the Hebrew OpenOffice mailing list from majordomo to mailman and we now have archives on-site. There are still a few glitches, like [OOo-H] was changed to [Hebrew] but we'll straighten those out. Thanks for your patience. - yba On Tue, 9 No

Re: OO and problems parentheses in mixed hebrew/english text

2004-11-09 Thread Shoshannah Forbes
On 01/11/2004, at 09:30, Tzafrir Cohen wrote: As for a long-term solution: This has just been a long thread about this in the OOo-il mailing list. Unfortunately I can't find any up-to-date online archive of that list. I can mail you my OOo mbox, if you want. Here it is: http://article.gmane.org/gm

Re: OO and problems parentheses in mixed hebrew/english text

2004-10-31 Thread Tzafrir Cohen
On Sun, Oct 31, 2004 at 10:19:40PM +0200, Micha Feigin wrote: > I still think that this is the wrong approach, even if it is the easiest. I > think that directionality should be taken from the keymap and not explicitly (at > least in the normal flow of things). It does cause problems of course if

Re: OO and problems parentheses in mixed hebrew/english text

2004-10-31 Thread Amit Aronovitch
First of all, thanks Tzafrir - I was not aware that the lyx and SI variants had any bidi chars in them (I do remember googlin and greppin around before starting to mess with symbol files - probably did not do that very well - since now I can easily find the stuff you mention...) Herouth Maoz wr

Re: OO and problems parentheses in mixed hebrew/english text

2004-10-31 Thread Micha Feigin
At Sun, 31 Oct 2004 07:51:06 +0200, Herouth Maoz wrote: > > > On Saturday, Oct 30, 2004, at 19:13 Asia/Jerusalem, Amit Aronovitch > wrote: > > > 2) Applications don't always handle them right. For example, OpenOffice > > handles them correctly, but makes them visible - depending on the font, >

Re: OO and problems parentheses in mixed hebrew/english text

2004-10-31 Thread Tzafrir Cohen
On Sun, Oct 31, 2004 at 07:51:06AM +0200, Herouth Maoz wrote: > By the way, the lyx keyboard variant only contains the marking > characters, not the embedding characters. I had a discussion about this > in Whatsup this week. I see embedding as more natural, as you don't > have to think "Hmm, B

Re: OO and problems parentheses in mixed hebrew/english text

2004-10-30 Thread Herouth Maoz
On Saturday, Oct 30, 2004, at 19:13 Asia/Jerusalem, Amit Aronovitch wrote: 2) Applications don't always handle them right. For example, OpenOffice handles them correctly, but makes them visible - depending on the font, you usually see an annoying blank square in their place (they should be invisi

Re: OO and problems parentheses in mixed hebrew/english text

2004-10-30 Thread Tzafrir Cohen
On Sat, Oct 30, 2004 at 07:13:01PM +0200, Amit Aronovitch wrote: > > --Boundary_(ID_2y+L2IzElmGKkqvFnkScKQ) > Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT > > Tzafrir Cohen wrote: > > >bidi formatting characters. > > > > > > > Agree that bidi ch

Re: OO and problems parentheses in mixed hebrew/english text

2004-10-30 Thread Amit Aronovitch
--Boundary_(ID_2y+L2IzElmGKkqvFnkScKQ) Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Tzafrir Cohen wrote: >bidi formatting characters. > > > Agree that bidi chars is the way it SHOULD be done, however in current state of affairs, there's two probl

Re: OO and problems parentheses in mixed hebrew/english text

2004-10-29 Thread Micha Feigin
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Re: OO and problems parentheses in mixed hebrew/english text

2004-10-29 Thread Tzafrir Cohen
On Fri, Oct 29, 2004 at 02:32:15AM +0200, Micha Feigin wrote: > I am having problems in open office putting parentheses around english text > inside hebrew paragraphs when the ending parentheses is at the end of hebrew > test. Trying to get the following result moves the marked parentheses (read th

Re: OO and problems parentheses in mixed hebrew/english text

2004-10-29 Thread Danny Lieberman \(Barak\)
CTED]> Sent: Friday, October 29, 2004 2:32 AM Subject: OO and problems parentheses in mixed hebrew/english text > I am having problems in open office putting parentheses around english text > inside hebrew paragraphs when the ending parentheses is at the end of hebrew > test. Trying to

OO and problems parentheses in mixed hebrew/english text

2004-10-28 Thread Micha Feigin
I am having problems in open office putting parentheses around english text inside hebrew paragraphs when the ending parentheses is at the end of hebrew test. Trying to get the following result moves the marked parentheses (read this right to left, hebrew paragraph): ( )