Re: BiDi in SIM IM client (Re: Mail and Hebrew)

2003-11-25 Thread Meir Kriheli
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Tuesday 25 November 2003 20:18, Ilya Konstantinov wrote: > On Mon, Nov 24, 2003 at 04:05:10PM +0200, Oded Arbel wrote: > > > Qt 3.2 fixes this problem - you can change the inherent directionality of > > a text buffer (currently with CTRL-SHIFT a-l

BiDi in SIM IM client (Re: Mail and Hebrew)

2003-11-25 Thread Ilya Konstantinov
On Mon, Nov 24, 2003 at 04:05:10PM +0200, Oded Arbel wrote: > Qt 3.2 fixes this problem - you can change the inherent directionality of a > text buffer (currently with CTRL-SHIFT a-la windows. don't know if this is > configurable). everything that runs on top of Qt 3.2 will get this behavior. An

Re: BIDI support KDE-3.2 and Mozilla (WAS Mail and Hebrew )

2003-11-25 Thread Shachar Shemesh
Kfir Lavi wrote: Kfir Lavi wrote: Shachar>> 1. Ilya Konstantinov donated the script 2. Doesn't work on 1.5 I have Mozilla 1.5, and in when Shachar sent it i tried it and it works fine. Regards, Kfir Lavi Sorry, now i discovered that when i work with the script with Mozilla 1.5, the text

Re: BIDI support KDE-3.2 and Mozilla (WAS Mail and Hebrew )

2003-11-25 Thread Moshe Leibovitch
That's what I checked last. BlockDirRtl is not supported by the Mozilla. Netscape is not an option. > > Did you tried htmlarea 3.0? That beast works in Mozilla, but > some r2l hacking needed. > > behdad > > On Tue, 25 Nov 2003, Moshe Leibovitch wrote: > >> I'm sure that if I was looking for k

Re: BIDI support KDE-3.2 and Mozilla (WAS Mail and Hebrew )

2003-11-25 Thread Kfir Lavi
Kfir Lavi wrote: Shachar>> 1. Ilya Konstantinov donated the script 2. Doesn't work on 1.5 I have Mozilla 1.5, and in when Shachar sent it i tried it and it works fine. Regards, Kfir Lavi Sorry, now i discovered that when i work with the script with Mozilla 1.5, the text pans in a web pag

Re: BIDI support KDE-3.2 and Mozilla (WAS Mail and Hebrew )

2003-11-25 Thread Kfir Lavi
Shachar>> 1. Ilya Konstantinov donated the script 2. Doesn't work on 1.5 I have Mozilla 1.5, and in when Shachar sent it i tried it and it works fine. Regards, Kfir Lavi = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with t

Re: BIDI support KDE-3.2 and Mozilla (WAS Mail and Hebrew )

2003-11-25 Thread Behdad Esfahbod
Did you tried htmlarea 3.0? That beast works in Mozilla, but some r2l hacking needed. behdad On Tue, 25 Nov 2003, Moshe Leibovitch wrote: > I'm sure that if I was looking for kernel-coffee-maker, > I'd have 157 people jumping and offering 7 blends :) > > Well, I know that bidi in Mozilla is le

Re: BIDI support KDE-3.2 and Mozilla (WAS Mail and Hebrew )

2003-11-25 Thread Moshe Leibovitch
I'm sure that if I was looking for kernel-coffee-maker, I'd have 157 people jumping and offering 7 blends :) Well, I know that bidi in Mozilla is less "sexy" but if we all want to proliferate Linux, such features are important. PS I installed KDE-3.2_beta1 and used Konqueror and It just works

Re: Mail and Hebrew]

2003-11-24 Thread Shachar Shemesh
Oded Arbel wrote: ביום שני 24 נובמבר 2003, 15:40, נכתב על ידי Shachar Shemesh: Mozilla from "totally unusable for Hebrew" to "bearable, with no better alternative", at least as far as I'm concerned. KMail is the obvious alternative, but there are other Qt based mailers, all are quite usab

Re: Mail and Hebrew]

2003-11-24 Thread Oded Arbel
As you managed to misquote everything I wrote, I will simply start from scratch: Kmail is a text only MUA. it can read HTML mail but it can only send plain text. this is fine for me : I don't need to send HTML, but YMMV. so in the next paragraph I'm not talking about HTML at all, and anything

Re: Mail and Hebrew]

2003-11-24 Thread Tzafrir Cohen
On Mon, Nov 24, 2003 at 04:05:10PM +0200, Oded Arbel wrote: > ביום שני 24 נובמבר 2003, 15:40, נכתב על ידי Shachar Shemesh: > > Mozilla from "totally unusable for Hebrew" to "bearable, with no > > better alternative", at least as far as I'm concerned. > > KMail is the obvious alternative, but there

Re: Mail and Hebrew]

2003-11-24 Thread Oded Arbel
ביום שני 24 נובמבר 2003, 15:40, נכתב על ידי Shachar Shemesh: > Mozilla from "totally unusable for Hebrew" to "bearable, with no > better alternative", at least as far as I'm concerned. KMail is the obvious alternative, but there are other Qt based mailers, all are quite usable. > Personally, I t

Re: Mail and Hebrew]

2003-11-24 Thread Shachar Shemesh
Sagi Bashari wrote: A text has no "base direction" attribute. But what's wrong with simply sending Hebrew text? The problem is that mozilla doesn't detect the base direction, so when I write everything is aligned to the left - and even if I change the alignment manually using the toolbar (for

Re: Mail and Hebrew]

2003-11-24 Thread Sagi Bashari
On 24/11/2003 13:35, Tzafrir Cohen wrote: Is there any option to set the direction to RTL for hebrew text messages? Right now every hebrew email I get is aligned to the left. I have the same problem when composing an email, I have to send it as HTML to align it properly, and even then it only c

Re: Mail and Hebrew]

2003-11-24 Thread Tzafrir Cohen
On Mon, Nov 24, 2003 at 11:24:36AM +0200, Sagi Bashari wrote: > On 24/11/2003 03:09, Tzafrir Cohen wrote: > > >>Life could be much easier if Mozilla supported RTL+LTR switching. > >>At the moment, we must use IE for proper hebrew support of mail composing. > >> > >> > > > >Tell that to my mom t

Re: Mail and Hebrew]

2003-11-24 Thread Aaron
I have been lurking and am wondering if and how I can compose/read hebrew on evolution?? Thanks Aaron On Mon, 2003-11-24 at 11:24, Sagi Bashari wrote: > On 24/11/2003 03:09, Tzafrir Cohen wrote: > > >>Life could be much easier if Mozilla supported RTL+LTR switching. > >>At the moment, we must use

Re: Mail and Hebrew]

2003-11-24 Thread Sagi Bashari
On 24/11/2003 03:09, Tzafrir Cohen wrote: Life could be much easier if Mozilla supported RTL+LTR switching. At the moment, we must use IE for proper hebrew support of mail composing. Tell that to my mom that uses mozilla Is there any option to set the direction to RTL for hebrew text mess

Re: Mail and Hebrew]

2003-11-23 Thread Tzafrir Cohen
On Sun, Nov 23, 2003 at 11:18:30PM +0200, Moshe Leibovitch wrote: > It's a real pain to use kmail remotely using vnc+ssh. Use a decent X server. Maybe install something from http://kde-cygwin.sf.net/ alongside > Life could be much easier if Mozilla supported RTL+LTR switching. > At the moment, w

Re: Mail and Hebrew]

2003-11-23 Thread Moshe Leibovitch
It's a real pain to use kmail remotely using vnc+ssh. Life could be much easier if Mozilla supported RTL+LTR switching. At the moment, we must use IE for proper hebrew support of mail composing. I Want to use Squirrelmail with htmlarea hack but Mozilla does'nt support something like BlockDirRtl/L

Re: Mail and Hebrew

2003-11-23 Thread Gil Freund
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gil Freund wrote: The only problem in this setup is that address books are not shared. I plan to use LDAP for this. I'd be glad to hear about your experience with this. I'm planning to do this too, for quite the same reasons (pressure increased since my bag was stolen

Re: Mail and Hebrew

2003-11-23 Thread Oded Arbel
ביום ראשון 23 נובמבר 2003, 09:55, נכתב על ידי Kfir Lavi: > > P.S. I see you use actcom, their mail server supports IMAP. > > > > Gil > > yes, but i really don't want to put my mails in their server. Or i don't > understand something? Why won't you ? its much safer then putting it anywhere else, y

Re: Mail and Hebrew

2003-11-23 Thread Gil Freund
Kfir Lavi wrote: But you use a network of computers, no? I understand that you have a server that got the email database, and you connect from a remote machine. If i'm wrong, does Cyrus IMAP work in linux and windows? I don't know if there is a port of Cyrus to Windows. If ypu use one computer

Re: Mail and Hebrew

2003-11-23 Thread linux-il
Gil Freund wrote: The only problem in this setup is that address books are not shared. I plan to use LDAP for this. I'd be glad to hear about your experience with this. I'm planning to do this too, for quite the same reasons (pressure increased since my bag was stolen with my Palm V in it, makin

Re: Mail and Hebrew

2003-11-23 Thread Kfir Lavi
But you use a network of computers, no? I understand that you have a server that got the email database, and you connect from a remote machine. If i'm wrong, does Cyrus IMAP work in linux and windows? I don't know if there is a port of Cyrus to Windows. If ypu use one computer and dual-boot it

Re: Mail and Hebrew

2003-11-22 Thread Gil Freund
Kfir Lavi wrote: Gil Freund wrote: Kfir Lavi wrote: Dotan Mazor wrote: [SNIP] Built in. How the emails are kept in the system? Do you share the email database with windows and linux in the same computer? How about IMAP? I use Cyrus (major overkill) and read it from Mozilla on Windows and

Re: Mail and Hebrew

2003-11-22 Thread Kfir Lavi
Gil Freund wrote: Kfir Lavi wrote: Dotan Mazor wrote: [SNIP] Built in. How the emails are kept in the system? Do you share the email database with windows and linux in the same computer? How about IMAP? I use Cyrus (major overkill) and read it from Mozilla on Windows and Linux, Mutt on

Re: Mail and Hebrew

2003-11-22 Thread Kfir Lavi
Dotan Mazor wrote: Try Opera. Works great for me with Hebrew, both on win and Linux: 1. Mail filters - not so strong in mozilla, and its hard to edit them by hand. Exist in Opera 2. I want to edit my mails with vim. Don't know how vim works... 3. I want to retain the hebrew names of the folde

Re: Mail and Hebrew

2003-11-22 Thread Dotan Mazor
Try Opera. Works great for me with Hebrew, both on win and Linux: 1. Mail filters - not so strong in mozilla, and its hard to edit them by hand. Exist in Opera 2. I want to edit my mails with vim. Don't know how vim works... 3. I want to retain the hebrew names of the folders. No problem here.

Re: Mail and Hebrew

2003-11-21 Thread Micha Feigin
On Sat, Nov 22, 2003 at 01:14:00AM +0200, Tzafrir Cohen wrote: > On Fri, Nov 21, 2003 at 11:27:42PM +0200, Kfir Lavi wrote: > > > I have tried vim in the past with hebrew, but it was just hebrew or just > > english. > > It couldn't work with both. > > Am i wrong? > > What I do is use a macro tha

Re: Mail and Hebrew

2003-11-21 Thread Tzafrir Cohen
On Sat, Nov 22, 2003 at 01:44:24AM +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > The filesystem is > Reiserfs (kernel 2.6test9). BTW: reiserfs/xfs/ext2/ext3/minixfs has nothing to do with the charset. On linux filesystems the file name has no charset attached to it. It is just a byte string. Anybody who read

Re: Mail and Hebrew

2003-11-21 Thread linux-il
Kfir Lavi wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I use IMAP (to be precise - courier imap daemon over ssl), so I can switch between a local thunderbird, remote thunderbird from Windows XP at work, sometimes mutt over ssh. I use fetechmail/procmail to fetch the mail from my ISP. --Amos ==

Re: Mail and Hebrew

2003-11-21 Thread Tzafrir Cohen
On Fri, Nov 21, 2003 at 11:27:42PM +0200, Kfir Lavi wrote: > I have tried vim in the past with hebrew, but it was just hebrew or just > english. > It couldn't work with both. > Am i wrong? What I do is use a macro that assigns F9 to switching between Hebrew (Hebrew keyboard, reveresed display) a

Re: Mail and Hebrew

2003-11-21 Thread Kfir Lavi
Tzafrir Cohen wrote: On Fri, Nov 21, 2003 at 01:48:37PM +0200, Shlomo Solomon wrote: On Friday 21 November 2003 09:35, Shlomo Solomon wrote: KMail does all you ask. I never used Hebrew folder names, but just tried it and it works. As far as using a specific editor,

Re: Mail and Hebrew

2003-11-21 Thread Kfir Lavi
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tzafrir Cohen wrote: BTW: mozilla does not support reading from a local spool, which makes using a fetchmail/procmail/spamassasin combination problematic. My recomendation is in my signature. I use IMAP (to be precise - courier imap daemon over ssl), so I can switch betwe

Re: Mail and Hebrew

2003-11-21 Thread linux-il
Tzafrir Cohen wrote: BTW: mozilla does not support reading from a local spool, which makes using a fetchmail/procmail/spamassasin combination problematic. My recomendation is in my signature. I use IMAP (to be precise - courier imap daemon over ssl), so I can switch between a local thunderbird, rem

Re: Mail and Hebrew

2003-11-21 Thread shlomi
Micha Feigin wrote: > I don't know how it is with hebrew, will be happy to hear how to set it > up for the ocational hebrew mail I recieve, but in terms of editing mail > with vim, mutt does it, and for using spamassasin and strong filtering > procmail is quite good (again, don't know about the heb

Re: Mail and Hebrew

2003-11-21 Thread shlomi
Shlomo Solomon wrote: > On Friday 21 November 2003 14:12, Tzafrir Cohen wrote: > > On Fri, Nov 21, 2003 at 01:48:37PM +0200, Shlomo Solomon wrote: > > > On Friday 21 November 2003 09:35, Shlomo Solomon wrote: > > > > KMail does all you ask. I never used Hebrew folder names, but just > > > > tried i

Re: Mail and Hebrew

2003-11-21 Thread Shlomo Solomon
On Friday 21 November 2003 14:12, Tzafrir Cohen wrote: > On Fri, Nov 21, 2003 at 01:48:37PM +0200, Shlomo Solomon wrote: > > On Friday 21 November 2003 09:35, Shlomo Solomon wrote: > > > KMail does all you ask. I never used Hebrew folder names, but just > > > tried it and it works. As far as using

Re: Mail and Hebrew

2003-11-21 Thread Tzafrir Cohen
On Fri, Nov 21, 2003 at 01:48:37PM +0200, Shlomo Solomon wrote: > On Friday 21 November 2003 09:35, Shlomo Solomon wrote: > > KMail does all you ask. I never used Hebrew folder names, but just tried it > > and it works. As far as using a specific editor, KMail allows that > > (although I've never h

Re: Mail and Hebrew

2003-11-21 Thread Shlomo Solomon
On Friday 21 November 2003 09:35, Shlomo Solomon wrote: > KMail does all you ask. I never used Hebrew folder names, but just tried it > and it works. As far as using a specific editor, KMail allows that > (although I've never had the need). Here's something strange. After answering Kfir's message,

Re: Mail and Hebrew

2003-11-21 Thread Micha Feigin
I don't know how it is with hebrew, will be happy to hear how to set it up for the ocational hebrew mail I recieve, but in terms of editing mail with vim, mutt does it, and for using spamassasin and strong filtering procmail is quite good (again, don't know about the hebrew directories, if you file

Re: Mail and Hebrew

2003-11-21 Thread Shlomo Solomon
KMail does all you ask. I never used Hebrew folder names, but just tried it and it works. As far as using a specific editor, KMail allows that (although I've never had the need). On Friday 21 November 2003 09:05, Kfir Lavi wrote: > Hi, > I currently using mozilla as my mail client, and the mails

Mail and Hebrew

2003-11-21 Thread Kfir Lavi
Hi, I currently using mozilla as my mail client, and the mails are kept with mozillas database. My Emails are organized with directories with hebrew names. I want: 1. Mail filters - not so strong in mozilla, and its hard to edit them by hand. 2. I want to edit my mails with vim. 3. I want to ret