Re: OS-X rules, X sucks (Was: Forthcoming "Blitz" of Announcements)

2003-08-30 Thread Shoshannah Forbes
On Friday, Aug 29, 2003, at 23:10 Asia/Jerusalem, Tzafrir Cohen wrote: OS-X does not have virtual desktops. When you have virtual desktops you don't urgently need all of those workarounds just to clear some space. Let's see. My Mac right now has 12 virtual desktops (via a free add-on) and my Lin

Re: end of boring discussion

2003-08-30 Thread Diego Iastrubni
ביום ראשון 31 אוגוסט 2003, 01:22, Vasiliev Michael כתב: > I am being informed privately by some people about certain facts I wasn't > aware of. > > Nadav, I want to apologize for the terrible and painful words I said. Now I > know that life is being harder for you than for the most and I never > in

Re: end of boring discussion

2003-08-30 Thread Vasiliev Michael
I am being informed privately by some people about certain facts I wasn't aware of. Nadav, I want to apologize for the terrible and painful words I said. Now I know that life is being harder for you than for the most and I never intended to make it even harder. I also feel that I owe everyone

Re: end of boring discussion

2003-08-30 Thread Nadav Har'El
On Sun, Aug 31, 2003, Tzafrir Cohen wrote about "Re: end of boring discussion": > However I have not yet seen a way to archive a Hebrew mailing list > properly. linux-heb does not yet have a searchable archive yet. I find > this to be a major problem for that list. The bigger problem is that there

Re: OS-X rules, X sucks (Was: Forthcoming "Blitz" of Announcements)

2003-08-30 Thread Nadav Har'El
On Sat, Aug 30, 2003, Herouth Maoz wrote about "Re: OS-X rules, X sucks (Was: Forthcoming "Blitz" of Announcements)": > I never use multiple desktops and I don't understand why anyone would > need to. >... > The issue is that window overlap is not solved by multiple desktops > because in any cas

Re: end of boring discussion

2003-08-30 Thread Tzafrir Cohen
On Sun, Aug 31, 2003 at 12:21:38AM +0300, Tzafrir Cohen wrote: > However I have not yet seen a way to archive a Hebrew mailing list > properly. linux-heb does not yet have a searchable archive yet. I find > this to be a major problem for that list. > I have just tested this again: I tried to sear

Re: end of boring discussion

2003-08-30 Thread Tzafrir Cohen
On Sat, Aug 30, 2003 at 04:59:03PM +0300, Diego Iastrubni wrote: > Nadav, > > I am one if the of the people who would like this mailing list a > hebrew/english mailing list. However, there are no alternatives for every > user yet, and by enforcing hebrew,you are enforcing some products. Which

Re: OS-X rules, X sucks (Was: Forthcoming "Blitz" of Announcements)

2003-08-30 Thread Tzafrir Cohen
On Sat, Aug 30, 2003 at 12:43:50PM +0300, Oded Arbel wrote: > The whole attitude of "We don't need to stinking GUI" is fine, as long as you > keep it to yourself. if your objective is to make Linux the best operating > system for your own special needs, then everything is fine - you probably > d

Re: OS-X rules, X sucks (Was: Forthcoming "Blitz" of Announcements)

2003-08-30 Thread Tzafrir Cohen
On Sat, Aug 30, 2003 at 03:48:46PM +0300, John Rabkin wrote: > On Sat, Aug 30, 2003 at 03:00:54PM +0300, Stanislav Malyshev wrote: [ much snipped, including signature ] > > All your points are very true. I tend to add my personal fears to the > equation. Thus my arguments. > > I'm afraid that b

Re: caller id in Israel

2003-08-30 Thread foofoo
Thanks for the code. by the way what specifications were you using to write this code? from my humble investigations there are a couple of ways to modulate and to encode the callerid. so it makes me wonder if any modem demodulator is compatible with every modulation system. and as for the modem ,

RE: caller id in Israel

2003-08-30 Thread Tzahi Fadida
Just open a terminal to the modem port and issue ATI1 or ATI2 . depends on your modem chipset. on usrobotics usually its ATI7. * - * - * Tzahi Fadida MSc Student Information System Engineering Area Faculty of Industrial Engineering & Management Technion - Israel Institute of Technology Techni

Re: caller id in Israel

2003-08-30 Thread foofoo
Alon, yes I would like the scripts very much, thank you. I'll go lookup what you mean by class 2.0 . but do you mean that even modems that are declared as "voice modems" wouldn't work under vgetty ? thanks. - Original Message - From: "Alon Altman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "foofoo" <[EMAIL

Re: caller id in Israel

2003-08-30 Thread Eli Marmor
By the way, the "syster feature" of Caller ID is "MSN" (nothing to do with Microsoft's MSN), which is the number that was dialed (rather than the number of the line that called us). Many of you may ask "why the hell do we need this number? Don't we know OUR number?!". The obvious answer is that s

Re: caller id in Israel

2003-08-30 Thread Oleg Kobets
> > 2. does anybody know where can I get (buy) Linux compatible modem that has > > voice capabilities in Israel? > > That's tricky. Even hardware modems don't help you here. You'll need to > find a CLASS-2 or CLASS-2.0 fax modem, which is quite tricky. > US Robotics ISA PnP Voice - I have it. I

Re: caller id in Israel

2003-08-30 Thread linuxil
On Sat, 30 Aug 2003, foofoo wrote: > Hey good people of Linux-il (and Linux-il-heb ;)) > two brief questions: > 1. I was wondering if anybody has experience with capturing caller id under > Linux > i.e. what is the required software (vgetty?) and hardware. Yes, I do actually. I made a small

Re: nao aaeai aiuoii

2003-08-30 Thread Muli Ben-Yehuda
On Sat, Aug 30, 2003 at 09:32:09PM +0200, Tzahi Fadida wrote: > several list members to open linux-heb in a hope that people will > use it more. I think we should check why it hasn't taken off... Maybe because you (and everyone else, including the instigator of this most annoying thread, one Mr.

RE: nao aaeai aiuoii

2003-08-30 Thread Tzahi Fadida
OTOH, many people don't know enough english to post. probably a significant number of them doesn't post because they afraid they will look bad. also, there are some people who further go and has problem understanding the intricacies and multitude of terms in the english language. I don't see why

Re: [HAIFUX LECTURE] Random Number Generators, by Oleg Goldshmidt

2003-08-30 Thread Oleg Goldshmidt
Muli Ben-Yehuda <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Next Monday (01/09/2003), at 18:30, the Haifa Linux Club will once again > meet to hear Oleg Goldshmidt talk about: > >Pseudo-, Quasi-, and Real Random Numbers > > You are all invited! More info on how to get to the meeting etc. at > the

caller id in Israel

2003-08-30 Thread foofoo
Hey good people of Linux-il (and Linux-il-heb ;)) two brief questions: 1. I was wondering if anybody has experience with capturing caller id under Linux i.e. what is the required software (vgetty?) and hardware. 2. does anybody know where can I get (buy) Linux compatible modem that has voice ca

Re: nao aaeai aiuoii

2003-08-30 Thread Diego Iastrubni
One of the problems, is that real work cannot be done yet in hebrew, because of luck of terminology. Carmel and Ivrix are doing a great job, but still there is a long way before us. I do not wish to see questions like: "איפה המאונט פוינט של הנפס בתור ברירת מחדל?" -> "where is the default mount

Re: סוף הדיון המשעמם

2003-08-30 Thread Nadav Har'El
On Sat, Aug 30, 2003, nadav mavor wrote about " ": > ב נדב הראל : כמו שאמרתי לך בכנס הספלר יכול להיות הטוב ביותר בעולם אבל > כול עוד לא ישלבו אותו או ימשקו אותו בצורה תבעית > לתוך האפלקציות הפופולריות הוא חסר ערך (שילוב לתוך מוזילה OO וכו ..) אני Hspell is already integrated with a number of ap

Re: OS-X rules, X sucks (Was: Forthcoming "Blitz" of Announcements)

2003-08-30 Thread Nadav Har'El
On Fri, Aug 29, 2003, Oded Arbel wrote about "Re: OS-X rules, X sucks (Was: Forthcoming "Blitz" of Announcements)": > I have Voodoo3 card on my Duron (700MHz,256MB) which is a very good 3D card > (for its age) and also has some 2D acceleration. moving any kind of window - > even simple single co

RE: nao aaeai aiuoii

2003-08-30 Thread Tzahi Fadida
maybe there is a creative solution to this. as i see it, the main issues are: 1) the mailing list has gone thru an internationalization process, and now there are mixed nationalities on the mailing list. 2) some people are just more comfortable with english, but they won't have any problem getting

Re: end of boring discussion

2003-08-30 Thread Vasiliev Michael
On Saturday 30 August 2003 17:18, nadav mavor wrote: > אני לא תוען שצריך לכתוב רק באיברית כמו שהמתנגדים תוענים שצריך לכתוב רק > באנגלית > המייל ליסט צריך להיות באיברית אבל מי שלא יכול לכתוב בעיברית שיכתוב > באנגלית פורטוגזית או שפת מאדים > אני לא קיצוני בניגוד לשאר האנשים פה > לגבי הIRIX זה לקח לי

Re: end of boring discussion

2003-08-30 Thread nadav mavor
Diego Iastrubni wrote: Nadav, I am one if the of the people who would like this mailing list a hebrew/english mailing list. However, there are no alternatives for every user yet, and by enforcing hebrew,you are enforcing some products. Which means loosing of of the biggest things available

Re: end of boring discussion

2003-08-30 Thread Diego Iastrubni
Nadav, I am one if the of the people who would like this mailing list a hebrew/english mailing list. However, there are no alternatives for every user yet, and by enforcing hebrew,you are enforcing some products. Which means loosing of of the biggest things available as linux users: choice and

Re: IP alias.

2003-08-30 Thread Shaul Karl
On Sat, Aug 30, 2003 at 02:02:17PM +0200, Oleg Kobets wrote: > Well, as it seems, iproute2 was created for policy routing, nat, QoS and > tunnels for kernel 2.2. > At least, that is what I have found on it's HOWTO pages. > At least some of it is targeted by iptables, doesn't it? > I have fai

Re: OS-X rules, X sucks (Was: Forthcoming "Blitz" of Announcements)

2003-08-30 Thread John Rabkin
On Sat, Aug 30, 2003 at 03:00:54PM +0300, Stanislav Malyshev wrote: > JR>> benchmarking or window dragging the only way to measure quality > JR>> of engineering then that makes a 3GHz machine running Windows > JR>> 3.11 better engineered than a 333Mhz machine running Linux. > > Well, if the benchm

Re: OS-X rules, X sucks (Was: Forthcoming "Blitz" of Announcements)

2003-08-30 Thread linux-il
I have multiple desktops on my Linux machine and found this feature to be much more convenient - don't have to keep jumping from one desktop to another, can find and switch among windows in the same desktop quickly, can overview my desktop easely, the shrinking and the reverse operation keep the "c

Re: סוף הדיון המשעמם

2003-08-30 Thread guy keren
nadav, i think you got what you were asking for. there are quite a few mailing lists and forums for linux in israel. 'linux-il' is just one of them. the reason that it has this name is historic (you may call that a short-sighted decision - but using a different name back then, would have been quit

סוף הדיון המשעמם

2003-08-30 Thread nadav mavor
סמחתי לקבל כול כך הרבה תגובות שלו קשורות לנושא בגדול אני נימנע מלרדת לרמה הזאת אבל הפעם אני אחרוג ממנהגי בתור התחלה אני רוצה לציין לטובה את שחר שמש שהפתיע אותי אם התוסף למוזילה (הוא עובד ניחמד מאוד תודה) לגבי התגובות: א התיעון כי יש כאלה שלא יכולים להתקין לקוח דואר שתומך באיברית הוא מגוחך וחס

Re: OS-X rules, X sucks (Was: Forthcoming "Blitz" of Announcements)

2003-08-30 Thread Stanislav Malyshev
JR>> benchmarking or window dragging the only way to measure quality JR>> of engineering then that makes a 3GHz machine running Windows JR>> 3.11 better engineered than a 333Mhz machine running Linux. Well, if the benchmarks would show so - yes, then the former is better enigneered that the latter

Re: OS-X rules, X sucks (Was: Forthcoming "Blitz" of Announcements)

2003-08-30 Thread John Rabkin
On Sat, Aug 30, 2003 at 12:43:50PM +0300, Oded Arbel wrote: > On Saturday 30 August 2003 10:02, John Rabkin wrote: > > Aaaah yes. The age old argument. I cannot understand for the life of me why > > some people are on a crusade to bog Linux down with eye-candy. A flashy > > interface is a sure sign

Re: IP alias.

2003-08-30 Thread Oleg Kobets
Well, as it seems, iproute2 was created for policy routing, nat, QoS and tunnels for kernel 2.2. At least, that is what I have found on it's HOWTO pages. I have failed to find etables though, so I have no idea what it does. I can make an educated guess that while IP alias scenario can be achieved

Re: OS-X rules, X sucks (Was: Forthcoming "Blitz" of Announcements)

2003-08-30 Thread Oleg Goldshmidt
Herouth Maoz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I never use multiple desktops and I don't understand why anyone would > need to. See below ;-) > The key to work with multiple windows belonging to multiple > applications is to be able to quickly switch from one to the other - > preferably with one cl

Re: OS-X rules, X sucks (Was: Forthcoming "Blitz" of Announcements)

2003-08-30 Thread Oded Arbel
On Saturday 30 August 2003 12:51, Herouth Maoz wrote: > Now, for MacOS, the so-called "eye candy" that was described here was > described a bit misleadingly. We are talking about minimized windows. > Those minimize down to the dock. Then, when you travel over the > minimized windows in the dock, yo

Re: OS-X rules, X sucks (Was: Forthcoming "Blitz" of Announcements)

2003-08-30 Thread Stanislav Malyshev
HM>> I never use multiple desktops and I don't understand why anyone would HM>> need to. I do use multiple *monitors*, because sometimes it's very Well, let me assure you there are some people that do understand that :) HM>> with the nethack readme is the third one on the top row. That's HM>> bad

Re: OS-X rules, X sucks (Was: Forthcoming "Blitz" of Announcements)

2003-08-30 Thread Stanislav Malyshev
HM>> go. No. What GNU/Linux (or BSD, or my mother) should learn is that to HM>> design a good human interface, you need to research that topic and find Actually I'm not sure that MACs "nobody needs more than one button on mouse", "nobody wants two user menus on the screen or user menu attached to

Re: OS-X rules, X sucks (Was: Forthcoming "Blitz" of Announcements)

2003-08-30 Thread Herouth Maoz
On Friday, Aug 29, 2003, at 23:10 Asia/Jerusalem, Tzafrir Cohen wrote: OS-X does not have virtual desktops. When you have virtual desktops you don't urgently need all of those workarounds just to clear some space. I never use multiple desktops and I don't understand why anyone would need to. I d

Re: IP alias.

2003-08-30 Thread Shaul Karl
On Sat, Aug 30, 2003 at 10:15:41AM +0200, Oleg Kobets wrote: > I don't know about iproute2, never used it. But, don't you trying to > acomplish "eth0:1" scenario ? > If so, then you do not need anything besides ifconfig and kernel. > > Maybe I misunderstood you. > You understood me correctly.

Re: OS-X rules, X sucks (Was: Forthcoming "Blitz" of Announcements)

2003-08-30 Thread Oded Arbel
On Saturday 30 August 2003 10:02, John Rabkin wrote: > Aaaah yes. The age old argument. I cannot understand for the life of me why > some people are on a crusade to bog Linux down with eye-candy. A flashy > interface is a sure sign of a weak underlaying system. Please show me a > single instance we

Re: OS-X rules, X sucks (Was: Forthcoming "Blitz" of Announcements)

2003-08-30 Thread Herouth Maoz
On Saturday, Aug 30, 2003, at 10:02 Asia/Jerusalem, John Rabkin wrote: Aaaah yes. The age old argument. I cannot understand for the life of me why some people are on a crusade to bog Linux down with eye-candy. A flashy interface is a sure sign of a weak underlaying system. Please show me a singl

Re: IP alias.

2003-08-30 Thread Oleg Kobets
I don't know about iproute2, never used it. But, don't you trying to acomplish "eth0:1" scenario ? If so, then you do not need anything besides ifconfig and kernel. Maybe I misunderstood you. Alon. - Original Message - From: "Shaul Karl" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent:

Re: OS-X rules, X sucks (Was: Forthcoming "Blitz" of Announcements)

2003-08-30 Thread John Rabkin
On Fri, Aug 29, 2003 at 10:13:03AM +0300, Oded Arbel wrote: > On Monday 25 August 2003 10:05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > The things I think are the most useful in the OS-X interface are: > > > > 1. The ability to sort of "zoom out" where all the application windows > > are resized to be small eno

IP alias.

2003-08-30 Thread Shaul Karl
Please comment on anything that follows. With kernel 2.4 I should have used iproute2 in order to get more then one IP for one physical eth device. This is known as IP aliasing. iproute2 is not meant to work with 2.6. Instead, etables is the tool to use. -- Shaul Karl,shaulk @ actcom .