OTOH, many people don't know enough english to post. probably a significant number of them doesn't post because they afraid they will look bad. also, there are some people who further go and has problem understanding the intricacies and multitude of terms in the english language. I don't see why we should punish these people on their home turf. we should give it a real thought and not dismiss it beacause "we" know english "well" and they don't. I remember we had the same thread several times, and i suggested in one of them together with several list members to open linux-heb in a hope that people will use it more. I think we should check why it hasn't taken off... my first guess would be that because most (linux users && mailing list users) already know the minimal requirements for reading/writing in english and so, they just post,lurk, search the archives. I, however, am not fully convinced at this or doesn't want to believe that linux stops at the english speakers and so i have suggested in my previous email to try and merge the two lists with a minimal noise to non-hebrew list members. I hope a solution will be found soon.
* - * - * Tzahi Fadida MSc Student Information System Engineering Area Faculty of Industrial Engineering & Management Technion - Israel Institute of Technology Technion City, Haifa, Israel 32000 Email [EMAIL PROTECTED] Technion Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - * WARNING TO SPAMMERS: see at http://members.lycos.co.uk/my2nis/spamwarning.html > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Diego Iastrubni > Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2003 6:48 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: nao aaeai aiuoii > > > One of the problems, is that real work cannot be done yet in hebrew, because > of luck of terminology. Carmel and Ivrix are doing a great job, but still > there is a long way before us. > > I do not wish to see questions like: > "איפה המאונט פוינט של הנפס בתור ברירת מחדל?" -> "where is the default mount > point point of NFS?" > > "איפה נמצאת האפשרות של לו-לטנסי בקרנל הפיתוח?" -> "'where can I find the low > latency options in the new development kernel?" > > > I can give you much more, try and translate the lasts technical threads to > hebrew. There will be only a few people which will be able to translate them > in a good manner. That means that most of the people asking here, will not > have enough hebrew to ask non trivial questions. So (naturaly) they will post > in english or some enbew or hebrish mix which is even worst then the original > intension. > > > בשבת 30 אוגוסט 2003, 20:01, Tzahi Fadida כתב: > > maybe there is a creative solution to this. as i see it, the main issues > > are: 1) the mailing list has gone thru an internationalization process, and > > now there are mixed nationalities on the mailing list. > > 2) some people are just more comfortable with english, but they won't have > > any problem getting hebrew messages too. > > 3) the linux-heb is not getting off the ground, since most people are on > > linux-il. > > > > my possible solutions: > > 1) do a one time event of signing everybody to both lists and from now on, > > in the confirmation of subscription also add the possiblities of > > signing to: - linux-heb > > - linux-il > > - linux-il+linux-heb > > > > 2) create an alias to linux-il called, for example, linux-il-heb. two sub > > solutions: a) people will filter using mailing rules. > > b) there will be an option in the mailing server that will allow people > > to set no-hebrew-messages. > > > > * - * - * > > Tzahi Fadida > > MSc Student > > Information System Engineering Area > > Faculty of Industrial Engineering & Management > > Technion - Israel Institute of Technology > > Technion City, Haifa, Israel 32000 > > Email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Technion Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > * - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - * > > > > WARNING TO SPAMMERS: see at > > http://members.lycos.co.uk/my2nis/spamwarning.html > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of guy keren Sent: > > > Saturday, August 30, 2003 3:54 PM > > > To: nadav mavor > > > Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Subject: Re: nao aaeai aiuoii > > > > > > > > > > > > nadav, i think you got what you were asking for. there are quite a few > > > mailing lists and forums for linux in israel. 'linux-il' is just one of > > > them. the reason that it has this name is historic (you may call that a > > > short-sighted decision - but using a different name back then, would have > > > been quite presumpteous). > > > > > > linux-il's policy was, and still is, that mailings should be sent in > > > english. _because_ of this policy, some people who do not speak hebrew, > > > managed to get involved with the list. if you don't like it - move to an > > > only-hebrew mailing list. you can try to change the system from within, > > > but you should not try to force your opinions on _this_ community (which, > > > again, is not "the single israeli linux community"). > > > > > > just for the language wars - there is no shame in hebrew, contrariwise - > > > i like hebrew much more then i like english, and i assume many people on > > > this mailing list feel the same (don't jump, i said 'many', not 'most', > > > not 'all'). and still, i find it comfortable to use english here, and in > > > other mailing lists. i seem to have more respect for the hebrew language > > > then you might give me credit for. i still have the choice to use english > > > when i find it more suiteable. > > > > > > when you bash people (like you bashed nadav harel) - you're giving bad > > > service to your point of view. why would he bother working on hspell, if > > > he is "ashamed of using hebrew" ? > > > > > > now, let us calm down, and avoid losing our tempers. i have tried to > > > refrain from using personal insults on this letter - i hope you can do > > > that too in your reply. > > > > > > -- > > > guy > > > > > > "For world domination - press 1, > > > or dial 0, and please hold, for the creator." -- nob o. dy > > > > > > ================================================================= > > > To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with > > > the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command > > > echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > ================================================================= > > To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with > > the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command > > echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > -- > > - diego > _________________________________________ > / >One basic notion underlying Usenet is \ > | that it is a cooperative. 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