Have you guys try it ???
it says on their site that it uses iconv to display the msg
so that means it will support hebrew out of the box ???
ELi
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Nadav Har'El wrote:
Yes. Bank Leumi is the worst as far as I'm concerned.
but bank leumi has a workaround as the old site, which was posted here
some months back.
let's not open that old discussion again, but if it has a WA, it's not a
show stopper ...
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Please contact a serious journalist, like Mordechai Gilat, with this info.
If it's not exposed, it won't be fixed.
Alon Altman wrote:
I second discountbank. Kupat Holim Clalit say they will install a new site
soon (the rep didn't know about moz support). I have managed to workaround
the clalit
Beni Cherniavsky <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Isn't rsh with an empty password a good replacement for Outlook? :-(
No. The "r" in rsh stands for "restricted"...
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Hi,
One interesting activity that Ha'Makor might want to sponsor is a Google
AdWord campaign to push our interests (for example, a search for website
building tools or firms should have an ad for standards supporting firms and
tools). This activity is very inexpensive ($0.05 per click) and might
I think a good focus is important markets and monopoly institutes. Banks
are a good example, but focusing on a specific bank might be counter
productive - if someone there has an interest in the status-quo, there's
not much to do about it.
However, there are various reasons all banks should want
You have your expectations mixed - innovation is not the point of
GNU\Linux. Freedom is. I'm not saying this just to sound like Stallman,
it's important to understand that innovation/variety/interest is always
built on the basic platform of freedom. Innovation is the first thing
that goes when ther
On Tue, 4 Mar 2003, Alon Altman wrote:
>
> You can do this easily with some spare change, by buying a Google adword for
> "Egged" and/or the hebrew equivalent.
>
Anyone has a Goolge AdWords account? It's only about $0.05 per day for an
adword on Hebrew "egged".
Please email me in private.
On Tue, 4 Mar 2003 21:44:21 +0200 (IST)
Stanislav Malyshev <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> EB>> Whatever I think about IP laws, I can't escape the bare fact
> EB>> that KWord violates quite a few of them.
(EB) declares his hypothesis a fact :-)
> When _I_ think about IP laws, I can't help thinking
On Tue, Mar 04, 2003 at 05:50:37PM +0200, Alon Weinstein wrote:
> > > Because if you open KWord, you can't take it as anything else but a
> > > clone of MS-Word. It looks the same, it feels the same, and it has a
> > > very related name. Every little item on the window's outline
> > just happen
> >
Stanislav Malyshev wrote:
SF>> Mac OS9 is one of the best UI out there for "your grandma". OSX does a
And so on, and so on - if you catch me in a good moment, I can go on for a
good hour on how the "best GUI ever" is only the best for one who was
trained to use it for years but is outright confusi
On Tue, 4 Mar 2003, Tzafrir Cohen wrote:
> Now an interesting this will be to try to give this alternative a higher
> google value than egged.co.il (because this is what I personally need from
> "egged")
You can do this easily with some spare change, by buying a Google adword for
"Egged" and/or
Herouth Maoz wrote:
That's why PowerPoint was invented (I can't think of a presentation
which would require more than some text and a few illustrations, why
on Earth should the next slide morph in and the lines of text fall
from the sky into the frame? And it's not Microsoft's fault. These
thi
SF>> Mac OS9 is one of the best UI out there for "your grandma". OSX does a
Maybe for grandma, I don't know, had no chance to ever teach my grandma
computers... But as for me, the mac OS appeared to me first very much
unusable. The concept of "one application per system" is rather confusing
- wher
At 22:19 +0200 on 4/3/2003, Stanislav Malyshev wrote:
Here you got to the root of the problem on the Israeli web design market.
When the person responicble for the design of the major government or
financial organisation says you the site is "dull" and suggests to add
more colors and a couple
At 17:57 +0200 on 4/3/2003, Shachar Shemesh wrote:
I am willing to take that one up as a representative of an official
body, and try to get things changed. I would, however, ask you to
help me focuse my efforts. Please give a quick vote of the site
whose lack of support for konq/moz is the mo
Quoth [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
> Not recently. In fact I can't remember when I actually used a Mac.
> My clearest memory is circa Apple IIc and Mac 1 (Marc - it's when we
> first met - do you remember what year it was?)
Certainly before '85. Probably before '83. Possibly around 81-82.
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On Tue, 2003-03-04 at 22:05, Shoshannah Forbes wrote:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > I think many people who despise MS (me among them) admit that they are
> > kings when it comes to GUI design and usability for non-technical users.
>
> I guess you never used a Mac then...
Not recently. In fact I
NH>> I want every link in the page to be an HTML ". What do you
NH>> think will happen? They'll increase their price? I seriously doubt that.
NH>> Their work will actually become easier!
No, but it'd have to become cheaper! You can't anymore charge for
"sophisticated link direction system", only f
On 2003-03-04, Vadim Vygonets wrote:
> Quoth Alon Weinstein on Tue, Mar 04, 2003:
> > Care to list the alternative options? I can guess Lyx for document creation,
> > GIMP for image manipulation, but that's where my list ends. What are the
> > options to perform other common tasks:
> >
> > -- Emai
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I think many people who despise MS (me among them) admit that they are
kings when it comes to GUI design and usability for non-technical users.
I guess you never used a Mac then...
Mac OS9 is one of the best UI out there for "your grandma". OSX does a
fine job as well, al
NH>> Yes. Bank Leumi is the worst as far as I'm concerned.
What is funny - once it was the best. But it looks like some greedy
site-forge managers were in need of some cash so that they succeeded to
convince BL people that they need to break perfectly working system and
erect in its place another
On Tue, 2003-03-04 at 18:38, Vadim Vygonets wrote:
> Quoth Alon Weinstein on Tue, Mar 04, 2003:
> > Care to list the alternative options? I can guess Lyx for document creation,
> > GIMP for image manipulation, but that's where my list ends. What are the
> > options to perform other common tasks:
>
EB>> Whatever I think about IP laws, I can't escape the bare fact
EB>> that KWord violates quite a few of them.
When _I_ think about IP laws, I can't help thinking it is basically wrong
to give people ownership of ideas. This concept have gone way too far. If
someone discovered the fact that human
On 2003-03-04, Nadav Har'El wrote:
> What happens if you take the cheaper company and tell them "don't do me
> any favors - don't write javascript, don't write any flash animations.
> I want every link in the page to be an HTML ". What do you
> think will happen? They'll increase their price? I se
"Nadav Har'El" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> And about "looking like MS-Word", do you also say that Mazda cars (say)
> stole something from Ford, because Ford had the concept of a car, with
> four wheels and an engine, before Mazda? Since when is honestly producing
> competing products to successf
Shachar Shemesh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Maybe we should form some sort of an official body that will try to
> advance these concerns that are relevant specifically to users of open
> source and free software? Hey, didn't someone say something about and
> Amuta?
Indeed, some months ago I sug
ok, i see that you understand what I sayd before I malied it...
sorry...
> Again I agree, and that is why I fell in love with Linux. To extend my
> previous point -- if there was some kind of a Graphics Interface
> equivalent
> to pipes so people could combine GUI-ed together as easily as doing
> > Care to list the alternative options? I can guess Lyx for document
> > creation,
> > GIMP for image manipulation, but that's where my list ends. What are
> > the
> > options to perform other common tasks:
> >
> > -- Email & Organizer (an only-email client is no replacement for Outlook
> > or
>
Quoting Alon Weinstein <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> > > Because if you open KWord, you can't take it as anything else but
> a
> > > clone of MS-Word. It looks the same, it feels the same, and it has
> a
> > > very related name. Every little item on the window's outline
> > just happen
> > > to be exact
> On Tue, Mar 04, 2003, Eli Billauer wrote about "Re: [Fwd: BSA Accuses OpenOffice
> ftp sites of piracy]":
> > But the problem is not that some people want a WYSIWYG word processor,
> > or spreadsheets. Micro$oft doesn't have any rights on the WYSIWYG
> > concept. But if you call an applicatio
On Tue, 4 Mar 2003, Beni Cherniavsky wrote:
> On 2003-03-04, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> > Organize? Maybe create a site or a subsite which contains links of all the
> > uncooperative sites, and give them bad rap in the press? Create a nice PDF in
> > Hebrew about standardization of a site, and s
On Tue, 4 Mar 2003, Hetz Ben Hamo wrote:
> I would like to say a few words about $SUBJECT..
>
> As you know, in many companies (be it Egged, government offices, etc) they
> place a bid for a 3rd party company to build them a site according to specs
> given by the company.
>
> As my previous boss i
On Tue, 4 Mar 2003, Shachar Shemesh wrote:
> Of this list, 1yashir, discount and kupat holim seem the most urgent to
> me. That's because they are suppliers that, if you happen to be their
> customer, it is very difficult for you to switch.
>
> I'll let you know what I came up with.
>
I second
Gilad Ben-Yossef wrote:
Eli Billauer wrote:
> And the other sad thing, is that Linux is risking its legitimate
status
by offending laws of intellectual property. And for no reason at all.
IANAL, but I think Linux is taking the very same risk Microsoft is -
when they took the Mac OS look & f
On Tue, Mar 04, 2003, Eli Billauer wrote about "Re: [Fwd: BSA Accuses OpenOffice ftp
sites of piracy]":
> But the problem is not that some people want a WYSIWYG word processor,
> or spreadsheets. Micro$oft doesn't have any rights on the WYSIWYG
> concept. But if you call an application KWord an
On 2003-03-04, Eli Billauer wrote:
> Muli Ben-Yehuda wrote:
>
> >So... don't open KWord!
> >
> I had no choice. I had to see what Openoffice was, so I opened it. ;)
>
You are confused, I'm afraid. KWord is part of KOffice, which is part
of KDE. OpenWriter is part of OpenOffice, OSS derivative of
On Tue, Mar 04, 2003, Hetz Ben Hamo wrote about "Browsers, compatility, and price":
> As my previous boss in Tehila told me:
> "Hetz, there are 2 ways to choose from:
>
> 1. A repsectable company who will build the site with PHP, MySQL and will
> fully check that their web site will work on var
Eli Billauer wrote:
> And the other sad thing, is that Linux is risking its legitimate status
by offending laws of intellectual property. And for no reason at all.
IANAL, but I think Linux is taking the very same risk Microsoft is -
when they took the Mac OS look & feel from Apple. Apple filed s
Muli Ben-Yehuda wrote:
So... don't open KWord!
I had no choice. I had to see what Openoffice was, so I opened it. ;)
Otherwise, I'm a great fan of LaTeX.
But the problem is not that some people want a WYSIWYG word processor,
or spreadsheets. Micro$oft doesn't have any rights on the WYSIWYG
c
Quoth Shoshannah Forbes on Tue, Mar 04, 2003:
> IANAL.
> Said that, I am not sure that most of the "windows like" OSS is actaully
> braking intellectual property laws. But this is OT...
Apple say it is breaking intellectual property laws, Microsoft
says (or at least *used* to say) it's not. Look
Quoth Alon Weinstein on Tue, Mar 04, 2003:
> Care to list the alternative options? I can guess Lyx for document creation,
> GIMP for image manipulation, but that's where my list ends. What are the
> options to perform other common tasks:
>
> -- Email & Organizer (an only-email client is no replace
I would like to say a few words about $SUBJECT..
As you know, in many companies (be it Egged, government offices, etc) they
place a bid for a 3rd party company to build them a site according to specs
given by the company.
As my previous boss in Tehila told me:
"Hetz, there are 2 ways to choos
On Tue, Mar 04, 2003, Shachar Shemesh wrote about "Re: egged.co.il works":
> me focuse my efforts. Please give a quick vote of the site whose lack of
> support for konq/moz is the most troubling, and let me know. I think
> Bank Leumi is the candidate for this. Anyone else?
Yes. Bank Leumi is the
On Tue, 2003-03-04 at 00:54, Nadav Har'El wrote:
> On Tue, Mar 04, 2003, Tzafrir Cohen wrote about "Re: egged.co.il works":
> > So another broken site is supported, instead of it being built properly.
>
> Right... And worse, this gives Microsoft a whole new baseline on which they
> can create new
On 2003-03-04, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Organize? Maybe create a site or a subsite which contains links of all the
> uncooperative sites, and give them bad rap in the press? Create a nice PDF in
> Hebrew about standardization of a site, and send it to management levels in
> those companies? I'm
Of this list, 1yashir, discount and kupat holim seem the most urgent to
me. That's because they are suppliers that, if you happen to be their
customer, it is very difficult for you to switch.
I'll let you know what I came up with.
Shachar
Shoshannah Forbes wrote:
I am willing to t
I am willing to take that one up as a representative of an official
body, and try to get things changed. I would, however, ask you to help
me focuse my efforts. Please give a quick vote of the site whose lack of
support for konq/moz is the most troubling, and let me know. I think
Bank Leumi is
On Tue, Mar 04, 2003 at 05:50:37PM +0200, Alon Weinstein wrote:
> > So... don't open KWord! I don't use any Linux app which imitates the
> > (broken, IMHO) MS GUI interfaces. Neither KWord, nor evolution, nor
> > openoffice, nor name-your-favorite-MS-application-Linux-clone.
>
> Care to list the
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Organize? Maybe create a site or a subsite which contains links of all the
uncooperative sites, and give them bad rap in the press? Create a nice PDF in
Hebrew about standardization of a site, and send it to management levels in
those companies? I'm at a loss. For me it's
> > Because if you open KWord, you can't take it as anything else but a
> > clone of MS-Word. It looks the same, it feels the same, and it has a
> > very related name. Every little item on the window's outline
> just happen
> > to be exactly where MS-Word put it. This can't be mistaken.
>
> So... d
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
For me it's worse than most of you - my other OS
is a MacOS...
If you look at the headers of this email, you will notice that this makes two of us... :)
Organize?
That is what I have been pushing for.
Maybe create a site or a subsite which contains links of all the
unc
Eli Billauer wrote:
Because if you open KWord, you can't take it as anything else but a
clone of MS-Word. It looks the same, it feels the same, and it has a
very related name. Every little item on the window's outline just
happen to be exactly where MS-Word put it. This can't be mistaken.
Just
On Tue, Mar 04, 2003, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote about "Re: egged.co.il works":
> Organize? Maybe create a site or a subsite which contains links of all the
> uncooperative sites, and give them bad rap in the press? Create a nice PDF in
> Hebrew about standardization of a site, and send it to manageme
On Tue, Mar 04, 2003 at 04:14:07PM +0200, Eli Billauer wrote:
> Because if you open KWord, you can't take it as anything else but a
> clone of MS-Word. It looks the same, it feels the same, and it has a
> very related name. Every little item on the window's outline just happen
> to be exactly w
Quoting Shoshannah Forbes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> C. complain at the site, and meantime use the phone to call Eggedd
> (that is what I do)
I do that, but it doesn't work. Of all the sites I complained to, the only one
who did anything was yellow pages, which didn't improve its site, merely removed
On Tue, 4 Mar 2003, Beni Cherniavsky wrote:
> On 2003-03-04, Shoshannah Forbes wrote:
>
> > C. complain at the site, and meantime use the phone to call Eggedd
> > (that is what I do)
> >
> I complained and they returned some response thanking me for the
> refernce (to webstandards - which I'm not
On 2003-03-04, Shoshannah Forbes wrote:
> C. complain at the site, and meantime use the phone to call Eggedd
> (that is what I do)
>
I complained and they returned some response thanking me for the
refernce (to webstandards - which I'm not sure they even bothered
chekcing) and generally feeling "w
Hetz Ben Hamo wrote:
Fine, then what should I do next time when I'm coming from my parents city
(Tzfat) to Tel Aviv and want to know the schedule?
A. Use mozilla, see that it doesn't show the web site and simply wait outside
for a bus few hours..
B. Use Konqueror, see the site, schedule my timi
I think this is quite sad. Not the BSA accusations, but the fact that
they are right.
Because if you open KWord, you can't take it as anything else but a
clone of MS-Word. It looks the same, it feels the same, and it has a
very related name. Every little item on the window's outline just happen
On 2003-03-03, Nadav Har'El wrote:
> On Mon, Mar 03, 2003, Beni Cherniavsky wrote about "Re: [Which list?] Unicode, bidi,
> terminals and tables":
> > - The raw/cooked modes are not very elegant; cooked mode actually
> > belongs in user-space. 9term had an elegant idea of user-trigered
>
>
On 2003-03-04, Alon Altman wrote:
> On Tue, 4 Mar 2003, Tzafrir Cohen wrote:
>
> > On Tue, 4 Mar 2003, Alon Altman wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > If you want to use egged.co.il on Mozilla, use my interface. It's much
> > > easier and lighter - http://alon.wox.org/egged.html (ignore the "line no."
> > > bo
>
> What about S.M.A.R.T. for IDE HDs? I don't really know anything
> about it, but IIRC it's supposed to give early warning of disk
> failure..
>
There's a nice SMART tool for Linux:
http://sourceforge.net/projects/smartsuite/
Haven't tried it myself, but I heard good things.
- Aviram
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Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2003 08:57:38 -0600 (CST)
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: BSA Accuses OpenOffice ftp sites of piracy
It seems that some FTP sites that host OpenOffice are getting "cease and
desist" e-mail from the BSA about their purported piracy of MS Office.
Maybe th
On 2003-03-03, Moshe Kaminsky wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Won't it be nice if at least I can make the output of any program to be
> piped through bidiv (without explicitly mentioning it)? I tried
>
> mkfifo jojo
> (while true; do; bidiv jojo; done) &
> exec >jojo
>
> This works for basic output, but has (at
What about S.M.A.R.T. for IDE HDs? I don't really know anything
about it, but IIRC it's supposed to give early warning of disk
failure..
-Cedar
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