Re: OpenGL vs OpenGlES on arm64

2018-11-26 Thread Jammy Zhou
Just some background FYI: when I worked for Graphics Working Group, I initiated the 'glproxy' project [1] for runtime detection of OpenGL/ES backends, and the development paused in mid 2012 for missing enough interest from the members. [1] https://code.launchpad.net/glproxy On Tue, 27 Nov 2018 at

Re: OpenGL vs OpenGlES on arm64

2018-11-26 Thread Adhemerval Zanella
On 26/11/2018 16:58, Wookey wrote: > On 2018-11-26 09:08 -0600, Tom Gall wrote: >> On Mon, Nov 26, 2018 at 8:46 AM Steve McIntyre >> wrote: >>> >>> Quite. This is exactly the tension behind the dicussion - while arm64 >>> machines are mainly mobile so far, we're finally starting to see >>> bigge

Re: OpenGL vs OpenGlES on arm64

2018-11-26 Thread Wookey
On 2018-11-26 09:08 -0600, Tom Gall wrote: > On Mon, Nov 26, 2018 at 8:46 AM Steve McIntyre > wrote: > > > > Quite. This is exactly the tension behind the dicussion - while arm64 > > machines are mainly mobile so far, we're finally starting to see > > bigger and more capable systems that you'd act

Re: OpenGL vs OpenGlES on arm64

2018-11-26 Thread Rob Herring
On Mon, Nov 26, 2018 at 9:10 AM Tom Gall wrote: > > On Mon, Nov 26, 2018 at 8:46 AM Steve McIntyre > wrote: > > > > On Mon, Nov 26, 2018 at 02:11:10PM +, Graeme Gregory wrote: > > >On Mon, 26 Nov 2018 at 14:03, Tom Gall wrote: > > >> > > >> Hi Wookey, > > >> > > >> This was something bouncin

Re: OpenGL vs OpenGlES on arm64

2018-11-26 Thread Tom Gall
On Mon, Nov 26, 2018 at 8:46 AM Steve McIntyre wrote: > > On Mon, Nov 26, 2018 at 02:11:10PM +, Graeme Gregory wrote: > >On Mon, 26 Nov 2018 at 14:03, Tom Gall wrote: > >> > >> Hi Wookey, > >> > >> This was something bouncing around in the Graphics Working Group back > >> in the day. Alexandr

Re: OpenGL vs OpenGlES on arm64

2018-11-26 Thread Renato Golin
On Mon, 26 Nov 2018 at 14:46, Steve McIntyre wrote: > Is it true that most PCIe graphics cards (and drivers) will also > support GLES as well as GL? I've seen that asserted. Supporting GLES doesn't mean applications will use GLES. Desktop applications use GL/DX (via Wine)/Vulkan. I'm no expert in

Re: OpenGL vs OpenGlES on arm64

2018-11-26 Thread Tom Gall
On Mon, Nov 26, 2018 at 8:11 AM Graeme Gregory wrote: > > On Mon, 26 Nov 2018 at 14:03, Tom Gall wrote: > > > > Hi Wookey, > > > > This was something bouncing around in the Graphics Working Group back > > in the day. Alexandros as I recall was the key dev. As far as a shim > > goes given the effo

Re: OpenGL vs OpenGlES on arm64

2018-11-26 Thread Steve McIntyre
On Mon, Nov 26, 2018 at 02:11:10PM +, Graeme Gregory wrote: >On Mon, 26 Nov 2018 at 14:03, Tom Gall wrote: >> >> Hi Wookey, >> >> This was something bouncing around in the Graphics Working Group back >> in the day. Alexandros as I recall was the key dev. As far as a shim >> goes given the effo

Re: OpenGL vs OpenGlES on arm64

2018-11-26 Thread Graeme Gregory
On Mon, 26 Nov 2018 at 14:03, Tom Gall wrote: > > Hi Wookey, > > This was something bouncing around in the Graphics Working Group back > in the day. Alexandros as I recall was the key dev. As far as a shim > goes given the effort that would have been involved and the lack of > interest, it wasn't

Re: OpenGL vs OpenGlES on arm64

2018-11-26 Thread Tom Gall
Hi Wookey, This was something bouncing around in the Graphics Working Group back in the day. Alexandros as I recall was the key dev. As far as a shim goes given the effort that would have been involved and the lack of interest, it wasn't worked on. For ARM64 and QT would a move to GLES be a "good