Re: What is the problem with "\relative"? (Was: Do we really offer the future?)

On Sun, 26 Apr 2015 05:52:04 + (UTC) Keith OHara wrote: > I wish the manual did not use the implicit \relative c'' {} > (sometimes \relative c' {} ) enclosing the examples. As soon as > the input gets complicated, \relative becomes difficult to figure out. I've always considered \relative

Re: What is the problem with "\relative"? (Was: Do we really offer the future?)

Dear Johan, Il 26/04/15 09.58, Johan Vromans ha scritto: I've always considered \relative as an operation that should be applied as close to the actual notes as possible. This gives the least suprises, if any. \relative c'' { \new PianoStaff << \new Staff { \time 2/4 c4 e | g g,

Re: What is the problem with "\relative"? (Was: Do we really offer the future?)

On Sun, 26 Apr 2015 09:58:33 +0200, Johan Vromans wrote: On Sun, 26 Apr 2015 05:52:04 + (UTC) Keith OHara wrote: I wish the manual did not use the implicit \relative c'' {} (sometimes \relative c' {} ) enclosing the examples. As soon as the input gets complicated, \relative becomes diffic

Re: Jianpu Notation

Paul, Thank you very much. Immanuel,Ming. On Saturday, April 25, 2015 6:18 PM, Paul Morris wrote: Hello, On Apr 24, 2015, at 12:43 AM, Paul Morris wrote: > I just spotted \time 3/4 or 4/4, jianpu display " 6 - ." , I think it should >be "6 - -".  Indeed, in Jianpu, dots follow

Re: odd behavior with acciaccatura in 1st position

Am 26.04.2015 um 03:44 schrieb Cynthia Karl: Message: 2 Date: Sun, 26 Apr 2015 10:09:13 +1000 From: Andrew Bernard To: lilypond-user@gnu.org Subject: Re: odd behavior with acciaccatura in 1st position Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Aha - of course you are correct! That?s

Re: Jianpu Notation

David, I agree as suggested even though I am not a developer.  I need to learn github -- is it hard to learn? Paul's jianpu6b.ly does not contain David's jianpu6.ly and I have no knowledge to merge both into one. Thank you. Immanuel,Ming.  On Saturday, April 25, 2015 10:51 PM, Super-User

Re: What is the problem with "\relative"? (Was: Do we really offer the future?)

Hello, If this is so easy for frescobaldi to have this converter relative2absolute, and so usefull to have input files in absolute, why not implant a commandline option to lily that would convert the relatibe blocks founds to absolute? Francois 2015-04-26 5:12 GMT-05:00, Gilles : > On Sun, 26 Ap

Re: What is the problem with "\relative"? (Was: Do we really offer the future?)

Am 26.04.2015 um 14:37 schrieb Ali Cuota: Hello, If this is so easy for frescobaldi to have this converter relative2absolute, and so usefull to have input files in absolute, why not implant (implement) a commandline option to lily that would convert the relative blocks founds to absolute? L

Re: What is the problem with "\relative"? (Was: Do we really offer the future?)

it looks like you shortened \transpose not \relative but i like it "I may use it" thanks Stephen octave = #(define-music-function (parser location octaves music) (integer? ly:music?) (_i "Raise or lower @var{music} by a nubmer of @var{octaves}.") (make-music 'TransposedMusic 'element (ly:m

Re: What is the problem with "\relative"? (Was: Do we really offer the future?)

On 2015-04-26 15:13, Simon Albrecht wrote: If this is so easy for frescobaldi to have this converter relative2absolute, and so usefull to have input files in absolute, why not implant (implement) a commandline option to lily that would convert the relative blocks founds to absolute? Lilypo

curved line following HorizontalBracket and bendafter

2 questions 1. if i draw a line how can i make it so it always moves to the upper/lower portion onto a specific part of the staff regardless of were it starts c or c' or c'' etc 2. i modified HorizontalBracket and bendafter so how do I make that line/curve follow the distance of the (bracket/benda

Re: What is the problem with "\relative"? (Was: Do we really offer the future?)

> Il 26/04/15 09.58, Johan Vromans ha scritto: >> I've always considered \relative as an operation that should be >> applied as >> close to the actual notes as possible. This gives the least suprises, if >> any. >> >>\relative c'' { >> \new PianoStaff << >>\new Staff { \time 2/4 c4

Re: Do we really offer the future?

On Sun, Apr 26, 2015 at 06:15:13AM +, Keith OHara wrote: > Michael Hendry gmail.com> writes: > > > I routinely put the bar checks at the _beginnings_ of the bars, > > thus... > > > > | a4 b c d > > | a8 b c d e f g a > > | a16 b c d e f g a b c d e f g a b > > > > That works ve

Re: Do we really offer the future?

Hi, > Am I the only one who puts bar checks at *both* the beginning and end of a > bar? > > | a4 b c d | > | e f g a | You’re the only one I’ve ever heard of doing so. =) Exactly ½ of your bar checks are redundant, of course. Cheers, Kieren. Kie

Re: Do we really offer the future?

On Sun, Apr 26, 2015 at 10:23:26AM -0400, Kieren MacMillan wrote: > Hi, > > > Am I the only one who puts bar checks at *both* the beginning and end of a > > bar? > > > > | a4 b c d | > > | e f g a | > > You’re the only one I’ve ever heard of doing so. =) > Exactly ½ of your bar checks

Re: Creating LilyPond Object Models

Thanks Carl, Johannes, and David for working on this overview. > On Apr 23, 2015, at 4:25 AM, Johannes Rohrer wrote: > > Translators selectively (based on assigned Event Classes) "accept" > Events from the stream that were sorted into "their" context and process > them. Typically, they will prod

Re: Creating LilyPond Object Models

That’s really insightful. Thank you! Regards, Simon Am 26.04.2015 um 17:16 schrieb Paul Morris: Thanks Carl, Johannes, and David for working on this overview. On Apr 23, 2015, at 4:25 AM, Johannes Rohrer wrote: Translators selectively (based on assigned Event Classes) "accept" Events from th

Re: Jianpu Notation

Hi David and Ming, > On Apr 25, 2015, at 10:51 PM, Super-User wrote: > > May I suggest having this project hosted on Github also? > The facilities on Github enables better managements of issues, goal, test > cases, and of course, the codebase itself, especially code merges. > In addition, prog

Re: Do we really offer the future?

On Sun, 26 Apr 2015 07:16:42 -0700 "H. S. Teoh" wrote: > Am I the only one who puts bar checks at *both* the beginning and end of > a bar? > > | a4 b c d | > | e f g a | I do this very often, in particular with chords. Now I happen to have a nice tool that can process LilyPond chor

Chord charts (Re: Do we really offer the future?)

Johan, What is this tool for chord charts?I'm working on this kind of thing, haven't found a good way to do this.Sent from XFINITY Connect Mobile App-- Original Message --From: Johan VromansTo: lilypond-user@gnu.orgSent: April 26, 2015 at 11:49 AMSubject: Re: Do we really offer the future?O

Re: Do we really offer the future?

> On 26 Apr 2015, at 15:16, H. S. Teoh wrote: > > On Sun, Apr 26, 2015 at 06:15:13AM +, Keith OHara wrote: >> Michael Hendry gmail.com> writes: >> >>> I routinely put the bar checks at the _beginnings_ of the bars, >>> thus... >>> >>> | a4 b c d >>> | a8 b c d e f g a >>> | a1

Re: Creating LilyPond Object Models

Hi Paul, I don't know if that's in any way related to our talk yesterday or if it has exclusively been triggered by Carl starting it. But this is very much a skeleton of what I was talking about! It would be absolutely great if you could pour that into a tutorial on the basics of writing Schem

Re: Chord charts (Re: Do we really offer the future?)

On Sun, 26 Apr 2015 16:09:11 + (UTC) dl.mcnam...@comcast.net wrote: > Johan, > What is this tool for chord charts? > I'm working on this kind of thing, haven't found a good way to do this. http://johan.vromans.org/software/sw_playtab.html Please note that the information on the site is sligh

Re: Do we really offer the future?

Am 26.04.2015 um 18:10 schrieb Michael Hendry: On 26 Apr 2015, at 15:16, H. S. Teoh > wrote: On Sun, Apr 26, 2015 at 06:15:13AM +, Keith OHara wrote: Michael Hendry gmail.com > writes: I routinely put the bar checks at the _beginnings_

RE: Do we really offer the future?

Simon, Actually Lilypond does check the bar checks and notifies if an incorrect number of beats (as stated in the \time) are in a measure. Mark From: lilypond-user-bounces+carsonmark=ca.rr@gnu.org [mailto:lilypond-user-bounces+carsonmark=ca.rr@gnu.org] On Behalf Of Simon Albrech

Re: Do we really offer the future?

Hi all, >> Why would you want to check each bar twice? > These bar checks are mostly for humans to ease reading of the code, not for > machine interpreting. Does it double the time required? And if so, what total amount of processing time is actually added (say, per 100 bar checks)? Cheers, Ki

回复： Jianpu Notation

Hi, Paul! I agree better merge after your refactoring to new approach. Looking forward to see your new version. David Zhang -- 原始邮件 -- 发件人: "Paul Morris"; 发送时间: 2015年4月26日(星期天) 晚上11:38 收件人: "Super-User"; "Urs Liska"; 抄送: "MING TSANG"; "lilypond-user"; 主题:

can InstrumentName padding centered according to the longest instrument name?

Hello all, In the snippet , the instrument names are centered [beautifully!] based on the total indent value. How would one make the instruments be centered in a block only the width of the longest instrument name (plus maybe a little padding), with th

Re: Creating LilyPond Object Models

On 26/04/2015 17:08, Urs Liska wrote: Hi Paul, I don't know if that's in any way related to our talk yesterday or if it has exclusively been triggered by Carl starting it. But this is very much a skeleton of what I was talking about! It would be absolutely great if you could pour that into a t

Re: Creating LilyPond Object Models

On Sun, Apr 26, 2015 at 11:08 AM, Urs Liska wrote: > Am 26.04.2015 um 17:16 schrieb Paul Morris: > >> >> >> but engravers can have both listeners and acknowledgers, and more than >> one of each. > > You can also use an end-acknowledger to catch the end of a spanner. > >> It’s probably *very* r

Height of start bar brace

Hi, can I change the height of a start bar brace, like in \version "2.19.16" \new PianoStaff << \new Staff { R1 } \new Staff { R1 } >> I would like to reduce the vertical size a little bit. Cheers, Joram ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-u

Re: Do we really offer the future?

Hi Mark, > Actually Lilypond does check the bar checks and notifies if an incorrect > number of beats (as stated in the \time) are in a measure. I believe Simon knows that, and that he’s simply pointing out that the “extra” (i.e., second and redundant) bar check in the OP’s code is only needed

Re: Fixing overlapping notation

On 25/04/2015 01:28, Kieren MacMillan wrote: Hi Wol, Hi Kieren, Thomas So I'm now having another go, and it's just blown up again !!! :-( It seems to me that there is too much "addressing one issue", when my big problem is conflicting solutions! In other words, the solution to one problem

Re: Fixing overlapping notation

On 26/04/2015 22:02, Anthonys Lists wrote: As you suggested, I changed "Allegretto con moto" to a metronome mark (that's \tempo, right?) Instant result? STAIRCASING MARKUP AGAIN :-( wtf do I adjust now? The documentation is great at telling you HOW to change things, but not WHAT to change. I do

Re: Do we really offer the future?

On Sun, Apr 26, 2015 at 12:47:02PM -0400, Kieren MacMillan wrote: > Hi all, > > >> Why would you want to check each bar twice? > > These bar checks are mostly for humans to ease reading of the code, > > not for machine interpreting. > > Does it double the time required? > And if so, what total am

Re: Fixing overlapping notation

On 26/04/2015 22:02, Anthonys Lists wrote: And, I'm not quite sure of what it was before, but having changed "Take 2nd to D.S." to a rehearsal mark as you suggest, what do I get? STAIRCASING MARKUP AGAIN as it collides with the volta spanner! The text is supposed to be to the left of the barlin

Re: Fixing overlapping notation

On 25/04/2015 00:35, Thomas Morley wrote: Oh - and how do I get Score.VoltaBracket.shorten-pair to affect only the >*second* bracket? Do I stick it between the two alternatives? I know when I >tried something like that last time, it wouldn't even compile ... \alternative { { R2*2 } { \onc

Re: Height of start bar brace

On Sun, Apr 26, 2015 at 12:45 PM, Noeck wrote: > Hi, > > can I change the height of a start bar brace, like in > > \version "2.19.16" > \new PianoStaff << > \new Staff { R1 } > \new Staff { R1 } > >> > > I would like to reduce the vertical size a little bit. > > For some reason this solution

Re: Fixing overlapping notation

Anthony, you wrote Sunday, April 26, 2015 10:14 PM > FOUND IT. I found the magic incantation for Google, which led me to the > internals reference. Which is on the documentation page ... Sound like you haven't read Chapter 4 in the Learning Manual, which explains what the Internals Reference i

Re: Do we really offer the future?

> On 26 Apr 2015, at 15:36, H. S. Teoh wrote: > > On Sun, Apr 26, 2015 at 10:23:26AM -0400, Kieren MacMillan wrote: >> Hi, >> >>> Am I the only one who puts bar checks at *both* the beginning and end of a >>> bar? >>> >>> | a4 b c d | >>> | e f g a | >> >> You’re the only one I’ve ev

Re: Fixing overlapping notation

Hi Wol, > Thanks. It's all coming together. “Teach a man to fish…” =) > Looks like I'll have to use this piece as the basis for a little tutorial or > something :-) I’d be happy to help you with that. But I warn you: if I *am* involved in turning this into an “official” tutorial, the structu

Putting text IN the staff

Simple problem, I can't find the solution ... :-) Basically, what I want is "\StaffOff ...text... \StaffOn". So, thinking treble clef, the text would be centred on the "b" line. Markup, however, seems to want to be above or below the staff, and that's it. How do I force it IN the staff, or

Re: Putting text IN the staff

Hi Wol, > Basically, what I want is "\StaffOff ...text... \StaffOn". So, thinking > treble clef, the text would be centred on the "b" line. Markup, however, > seems to want to be above or below the staff, and that's it. How do I force > it IN the staff, or am I using the wrong technique com

Re: Do we really offer the future?

Am 26.04.2015 um 23:53 schrieb Michael Hendry: On 26 Apr 2015, at 15:36, H. S. Teoh > wrote: On Sun, Apr 26, 2015 at 10:23:26AM -0400, Kieren MacMillan wrote: Hi, Am I the only one who puts bar checks at *both* the beginning and end of a bar? | a4 b c d | |

Re: Do we really offer the future?

Am 27.04.2015 um 01:12 schrieb Simon Albrecht: Am 26.04.2015 um 23:53 schrieb Michael Hendry: On 26 Apr 2015, at 15:36, H. S. Teoh > wrote: On Sun, Apr 26, 2015 at 10:23:26AM -0400, Kieren MacMillan wrote: Hi, Am I the only one who puts bar checks at *both*

Re: Putting text IN the staff

Hi Wol, i think turning off outside-staff-priority only affects outside the staff and will not bring it in the staff. use.. \relative c'' { % first number is right left second is up down \override TextScript.extra-offset = #'(0 . -4) c d c d c1^"hello" r2 c2 } HTH stephen __

Re: Putting text IN the staff

2015-04-27 0:14 GMT+02:00 Anthonys Lists : > Simple problem, I can't find the solution ... :-) > > Basically, what I want is "\StaffOff ...text... \StaffOn". So, thinking > treble clef, the text would be centred on the "b" line. Markup, however, > seems to want to be above or below the staff, a

Re: Putting text IN the staff

> Message: 3 > Date: Sun, 26 Apr 2015 23:14:32 +0100 > From: Anthonys Lists > To: lilypond user list > Subject: Putting text IN the staff > Message-ID: <553d634...@youngman.org.uk> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed > > Simple problem, I can't find the solution ... :-) >

Concepts that may be missing (or are at least hidden) in LilyPond

Hi all, I'm still trying to get a list of musical concepts that you commonly use to talk about music that are either missing or hard to find in LilyPond. So far we have a set of two: Instruments Measures Are there any others that you can think of? Thanks, Carl __

Re: Concepts that may be missing (or are at least hidden) in LilyPond

Hi Carl, In what way are measures missing? Half the world calls them ‘bars’ by the way - that’s what they are under in the index. Are you simply referring to terminology in the documentation? Andrew On 27 April 2015 at 14:17:26, Carl Sorensen (c_soren...@byu.edu) wrote: Hi all, I'm still

Re: Do we really offer the future?

> On 27 Apr 2015, at 00:18, Urs Liska wrote: > > > > Am 27.04.2015 um 01:12 schrieb Simon Albrecht: >> Am 26.04.2015 um 23:53 schrieb Michael Hendry: >>> On 26 Apr 2015, at 15:36, H. S. Teoh >>> > wrote: On Sun, Apr 26, 2015 at 10:23:26AM -0400,

Re: Do we really offer the future?

Am 27.04.2015 um 08:16 schrieb Michael Hendry: See https://github.com/wbsoft/frescobaldi/issues/573 In that wish I asked if it is useful or just a personal use case. So anybody who wants to use indented lines for such cases might add a comment there (to "upvote" it). I have added the foll