Re: ver. 2.11.56 problems

2008-08-20 Thread Tom Cloyd
Bryan Stanbridge wrote: I haven't written any install scripts, but is it possible to have a check, much like some OS X programs, where it asks "Do you want this program available to all users, or just your user?" and then if they select all-users to install as root instead of just install local

Re: ver. 2.11.56 problems

2008-08-20 Thread Paul Scott
Tom Cloyd wrote: > James E. Bailey wrote: >> This is very true, and I did have to consult much other information >> in order to get it working, and the instructions in the lilypond >> documentation can, with patience, be understood. The information is >> there, and it's all correct, I'm just saying

Re: ver. 2.11.56 problems

2008-08-20 Thread Patrick Horgan
Gilles Sadowski wrote: 3. Using the lilypond program (on Linux) amounts to learn the following 2 commands: $ lilypond myfyle.ly $ xpdf myfile.pdf That certainly should not scare away people motivated by the nice printed scores which this software produces. [Of course, assuming th

Re: ver. 2.11.56 problems

2008-08-20 Thread Patrick Horgan
Tom Cloyd wrote: I will certainly say this about the Lilipad documentation: Other than possibly Gimp, I haven't seen anything else in the Linux application program world that compares to it. I've found it usable, helpful, and to the point. A fine achievement, without doubt. Definitely better tha

Re: ver. 2.11.56 problems

2008-08-20 Thread Francisco Vila
2008/8/20 Tom Cloyd <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > And after nearly 6 months of fairly intense work in my new Kubuntu > environment, I have NEVER heard of this business of Linux's not paying > attention to what directory you're in. It's totally brand new > information. Has never been mentioned on the very-

Re: ver. 2.11.56 problems

2008-08-20 Thread Bryan Stanbridge
Valentin Villenave wrote: > We provide a shell script, that is *perfectly* maintained for both our > stable and development versions, and for a wide range of operating > systems and architectures. It can either be run in root mode (files go > to /usr/local/) or in user mode (files goes to your hom

Re: ver. 2.11.56 problems

2008-08-20 Thread Valentin Villenave
2008/8/20 Tom Cloyd <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Such a comment is NOT appropriate when dealing with someone who want to join > the community of Linux users, and, say use Lilypond, but isn't about to > "read the code". Can't, in fact. The quality of the Lilypond documentation, > and the clarity of the s

Re: ver. 2.11.56 problems

2008-08-20 Thread Tom Cloyd
Tom Why not use the Windows version? That installs as you would expect and works exactly like the Unix one? Trevor - Original Message - From: "Tom Cloyd" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Lilipond" Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 11:50 AM Subject: Re: ver. 2.11.

Re: ver. 2.11.56 problems

2008-08-20 Thread Gilles Sadowski
Hello. > [...] > > For what it's worth. > > And again...thanks for all the help people have offered me since I've > arrive here. I now have a very good looking score in front of me, as > fruits for this labor - and more to come. I'm loving the experience I'm > having here, mostly. I'd love to giv

Re: ver. 2.11.56 problems

2008-08-20 Thread Trevor Daniels
Tom Why not use the Windows version? That installs as you would expect and works exactly like the Unix one? Trevor - Original Message - From: "Tom Cloyd" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Lilipond" Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 11:50 AM Subject: Re: ver. 2

Re: ver. 2.11.56 problems

2008-08-20 Thread Tom Cloyd
James E. Bailey wrote: Am 20.08.2008 um 11:15 schrieb Graham Percival: It's not the job of the lilypond manual to teach users how to use their operating systems. There's *tons* of other help available on the internet for such tasks -- and a lot of that help has much prettier pictures than w

Re: ver. 2.11.56 problems

2008-08-20 Thread James E. Bailey
Am 20.08.2008 um 11:15 schrieb Graham Percival: It's not the job of the lilypond manual to teach users how to use their operating systems. There's *tons* of other help available on the internet for such tasks -- and a lot of that help has much prettier pictures than we'd have the patience to

Re: ver. 2.11.56 problems

2008-08-20 Thread Graham Percival
On Wed, 20 Aug 2008 10:43:50 +0200 "James E. Bailey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > But if your only previous experience running software is double- > clicking, it's pretty daunting. And most software that requires that > knowledge is written by people who already know it. I'll say it, > lilypo

Re: ver. 2.11.56 problems

2008-08-20 Thread James E. Bailey
Sure, if you're up on your Linux, no problem, but the Linux world is drawing a number of people who come from other backgrounds (i.e., Windows), AND don't have a lot of time to study up. Knowing that you run a program by doing cd progdir ./progname or adding it to your PATH environment varia

Re: ver. 2.11.56 problems

2008-08-20 Thread Graham Percival
On Wed, 20 Aug 2008 01:12:53 -0700 Tom Cloyd <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > If I may humbly suggest: I really think that section of > http://lilypond.org/web/install/ dealing with Linux installers should > read "do sudo sh lilypond-X.Y.Z.linux-x86.sh in a command window", not > just "do sh lilypond-

Re: ver. 2.11.56 problems

2008-08-20 Thread Tom Cloyd
Ok - report from the trenches: an install as administrator really does solve this problem. My 2.11 version now runs just like my previous 2.10 did. I'm back in business. If I may humbly suggest: I really think that section of http://lilypond.org/web/install/ dealing with Linux installers should r

Re: ver. 2.11.56 problems

2008-08-19 Thread James E. Bailey
Am 19.08.2008 um 22:42 schrieb Patrick McCarty: On Tue, Aug 19, 2008 at 08:39:16PM +0200, Reinhold Kainhofer wrote: Am Dienstag, 19. August 2008 schrieb Patrick McCarty: I did not consider this, since I just have a self-compiled version installed. If I did have two LilyPond binaries on my s

Re: ver. 2.11.56 problems

2008-08-19 Thread Patrick McCarty
On Tue, Aug 19, 2008 at 08:39:16PM +0200, Reinhold Kainhofer wrote: > > Am Dienstag, 19. August 2008 schrieb Patrick McCarty: > > I did not consider this, since I just have a self-compiled version > > installed. If I did have two LilyPond binaries on my system, is there > > an easy shell shortcut

Re: ver. 2.11.56 problems

2008-08-19 Thread Patrick Horgan
Patrick McCarty wrote: I have tried adding these lines to ~/.bashrc in the past, too, but it hasn't worked for me. Instead I put this is my ~/.bash_profile Ah, one of my favorite pet peeves. .bash_profile is run if it's a login shell, and .bashrc if it's a non-login shell! I put all the co

Re: ver. 2.11.56 problems

2008-08-19 Thread Patrick Horgan
Chris Snyder wrote: This isn't as big of a deal with single-user systems, but it still is a good way to make sure that users are aware that they're not executing system-supplied software. Au contraire! If some bad guy on the internet has managed to hack any account sufficiently to install a fi

Re: ver. 2.11.56 problems

2008-08-19 Thread Patrick Horgan
Tom Cloyd wrote: The only thing here that's looks like it might be the shortcut script is "lilypond". My user acct. owns it, and it's marked executable, but... try changing directory (cd ~/tomc/bin) to the tomc/bin directory, and typing ./lilypond --version and pressing enter.  If lilypo

Re: ver. 2.11.56 problems

2008-08-19 Thread Patrick McCarty
On Tue, Aug 19, 2008 at 07:50:54PM +0200, Reinhold Kainhofer wrote: > > Am Dienstag, 19. August 2008 schrieb Patrick McCarty: > > > > I have tried adding these lines to ~/.bashrc in the past, too, but it > > hasn't worked for me. Instead I put this is my ~/.bash_profile > > The login sequence fo

Re: ver. 2.11.56 problems

2008-08-19 Thread Reinhold Kainhofer
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Am Dienstag, 19. August 2008 schrieb Patrick McCarty: > On Tue, Aug 19, 2008 at 05:04:52PM +0200, James E. Bailey wrote: > > You need to add the folder that lilypond is in to your $PATH. Then, > > linux will know to look in that folder as well for exec

Re: ver. 2.11.56 problems

2008-08-19 Thread Patrick McCarty
On Tue, Aug 19, 2008 at 05:04:52PM +0200, James E. Bailey wrote: > You need to add the folder that lilypond is in to your $PATH. Then, > linux will know to look in that folder as well for executables, > regardless of which directory you're actually in. Apparently on linux, > according to carl

Re: ver. 2.11.56 problems

2008-08-19 Thread James E. Bailey
You need to add the folder that lilypond is in to your $PATH. Then, linux will know to look in that folder as well for executables, regardless of which directory you're actually in. Apparently on linux, according to carl, you add to your /home/tomc/~.bashrc: PATH=/home/tomc/bin:$PATH export

Re: ver. 2.11.56 problems

2008-08-19 Thread Chris Snyder
Tom Cloyd wrote: Major lesson: the Unix/Linix command processor (or whatever - genie?) is disinterested in the fact that I'm already in the dir containing the referenced file. I have to tell it explicitly. Coming from Windows, I find this extremely confusing, nonsensical, etc., but I now suddenly

Re: ver. 2.11.56 problems

2008-08-19 Thread Jonathan Kulp
Tom, I would suggest uninstalling from the home directory and re-installing with "sudo" to make it system-wide. After that simply use the "lilypond filename.ly" command and it'll run fine. At least it always has for me--I've never installed it in the home directory before. Good luck... Jo

Re: ver. 2.11.56 problems

2008-08-19 Thread Tom Cloyd
Wow - so many ideas! from James - "I think the lilypond in that folder is lilypond, the program. If you type /home/tomc/bin/lilypond what do you get? " Oh. Bingo. "GNU LilyPond 2.11.56 Usage: lilypond [OPTION]... FILE..." (etc.) Houston, we have a launch. Major lesson: the Unix/Linix comma

Re: ver. 2.11.56 problems

2008-08-19 Thread Neil Thornock
This most definitely sounds like a path problem. In order to execute from within the directory of the lilypond bin, you still need the ./ prefix (Carl's comment above): ./lilypond If I were you I would install as root (su root or sudo or whatever you have). Then all your executables should show

Re: ver. 2.11.56 problems

2008-08-19 Thread Carl Sorensen
Tom Cloyd comcast.net> writes: > The only thing here that's looks like it might be the shortcut script is > "lilypond". My user acct. owns it, and it's marked executable, but... > > tomc tomc-desktop:~/bin$ lilypond > The program 'lilypond' is currently not installed. You can install it > by

Re: ver. 2.11.56 problems

2008-08-19 Thread Carl Sorensen
Tom Cloyd comcast.net> writes: > > This isn't a path problem, I think. "lilypond -h" may not be quite > right, but I should have gotten something other than what I got, if the > "lilypond" script that IS in the dir executed. Here's the script - > Tom, You can tell if it's a path problem by ty

Re: ver. 2.11.56 problems

2008-08-19 Thread James E. Bailey
I think the lilypond in that folder is lilypond, the program. If you type /home/tomc/bin/lilypond what do you get? Am 19.08.2008 um 13:15 schrieb Tom Cloyd: Jan, James, I continue to be amazed at the quick responses on this list. Fully matches the response time on the Ruby list (my favorite

Re: ver. 2.11.56 problems

2008-08-19 Thread Tom Cloyd
Jan, James, I continue to be amazed at the quick responses on this list. Fully matches the response time on the Ruby list (my favorite programming language). As to the problem: Please note this... $ cd '/home/tomc/bin' [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~/bin$ lilypond -h The program 'lilypond' is currently no

Re: ver. 2.11.56 problems

2008-08-19 Thread James E. Bailey
/home/tomc/bin probably isn't in your $PATH. I'm going to guess that to add it to your path you'd have to modify (or create and then modify) the /home/tomc/.bashrc and add PATH=$PATH:/home/tomc/bin/ export PATH I think the last line has to be blank, I'm not sure. And again, I've never done

Re: ver. 2.11.56 problems

2008-08-19 Thread Jan Kohnert
Tom Cloyd schrieb: > * #1 - /home/tomc/bin - the installer script's console output said that > this would contain a script "created as a shortcut". > The only thing here that's looks like it might be the shortcut script is > "lilypond". My user acct. owns it, and it's marked executable, but... >

ver. 2.11.56 problems

2008-08-19 Thread Tom Cloyd
I don't know how to find the time to learn enough, so I'm going to have to ask for help here. I've installed developmental ver. 2.11.56-1 from the Ly website (nice! no compilation needed - thanks). But I cannot get execution. My OS = Kubuntu Linux 8.04.1. The installer created these 2 direct