Re: Solfege Resources -- 404 bach chorales in Lilypond format with Movable Do solfege.

2011-01-04 Thread Phil Hézaine
Le 03/01/2011 19:28, Michael Ellis a écrit : > Mike, Graham, Henning, > > Thanks again, it's all good discussion. For the time being, I've altered > the home page on the solfege-resources site to offer two choices of License, > namely Free Art license in addition to CC BY-NC-AS. I've also added

Re: Solfege Resources -- 404 bach chorales in Lilypond format with Movable Do solfege.

2011-01-04 Thread Michael Ellis
On Tue, Jan 4, 2011 at 4:17 AM, Graham Percival wrote: > I think you are wrong.  I think that this Margaret person has > created works that are under copyright, and you are taking those > works and claiming to offer them under a license that she did not > consent to. > Actually no. A license is

Re: Solfege Resources -- 404 bach chorales in Lilypond format with Movable Do solfege.

2011-01-04 Thread Mark Austin
On 4 January 2011 09:17, Graham Percival wrote: > On Mon, Jan 03, 2011 at 01:28:29PM -0500, Michael Ellis wrote: >>  I've also >>    added a couple paragraphs explaining my understanding of U.S. copyright >>    law and urging users to accept the CC license with commercial restriction >>    in hono

Re: Solfege Resources -- 404 bach chorales in Lilypond format with Movable Do solfege.

2011-01-04 Thread Graham Percival
On Mon, Jan 03, 2011 at 01:28:29PM -0500, Michael Ellis wrote: > I've also >added a couple paragraphs explaining my understanding of U.S. copyright >law and urging users to accept the CC license with commercial restriction >in honor of Margaret GreenTree's patient labor while acknowled

Re: Solfege Resources -- 404 bach chorales in Lilypond format with Movable Do solfege.

2011-01-03 Thread Michael Ellis
Mike, Graham, Henning, Thanks again, it's all good discussion. For the time being, I've altered the home page on the solfege-resources site to offer two choices of License, namely Free Art license in addition to CC BY-NC-AS. I've also added a couple paragraphs explaining my understanding of U.S.

Re: Solfege Resources -- 404 bach chorales in Lilypond format with Movable Do solfege.

2011-01-03 Thread Graham Percival
On Mon, Jan 03, 2011 at 02:16:44AM -0800, Mike Blackstock wrote: >Just to clarify: anything is copyrightable of course That is false. > - there's no laws >that I'm aware of that >prevent people from asserting a copyright; question is, can it/has it a >chance of standing up? You a

Re: Solfege Resources -- 404 bach chorales in Lilypond format with Movable Do solfege.

2011-01-03 Thread Mike Blackstock
Just to clarify: anything is copyrightable of course - there's no laws that I'm aware of that prevent people from asserting a copyright; question is, can it/has it a chance of standing up? M. On Mon, Jan 3, 2011 at 2:09 AM, Mike Blackstock wrote: > Interesting. > > I spent an hour or so doing va

Re: Solfege Resources -- 404 bach chorales in Lilypond format with Movable Do solfege.

2011-01-03 Thread Mike Blackstock
Interesting. I spent an hour or so doing various searches looking for court decisions and came up blank; I'm wondering if we're making a "mountain out of a mole-hill"? Can somebody find an instance of a music publisher suing somebody over such things? Like I say I couldn't find any with my average

Re: Solfege Resources -- 404 bach chorales in Lilypond format with Movable Do solfege.

2011-01-03 Thread Henning Hraban Ramm
Just a minor remark: At least in German laws, there can't be a copyright on mere "industrial art" like typesetting or music engraving, independent from the effort. (I.e. "Sweat of the brow" from UK and Canadian jurisdiction isn't valid in Germany.) That means, there is no copyright on the l

Re: Solfege Resources -- 404 bach chorales in Lilypond format with Movable Do solfege.

2011-01-02 Thread Michael Ellis
A few excerpts from the Wikipedia article on derivative works. Highlighting and italics added by me. 17 U.S.C. § 103(b) provides: The copyright in a compilation or derivative work

Re: Solfege Resources -- 404 bach chorales in Lilypond format with Movable Do solfege.

2011-01-02 Thread Graham Percival
On Sun, Jan 02, 2011 at 08:09:52PM -0500, Michael Ellis wrote: >Thanks Graham, it's good to get the straight story! I must say there are >certainly some confusing aspects to copyright law. First, I must clarify that I cannot give you a straight story. To begin with, I am not a certified

Re: Solfege Resources -- 404 bach chorales in Lilypond format with Movable Do solfege.

2011-01-02 Thread Michael Ellis
Thanks Graham, it's good to get the straight story! I must say there are certainly some confusing aspects to copyright law. So If I'm understanding you correctly, if I were to transcribe a fugue from an out of copyright source, I have a copyright if I make a mistake and none if I copy it perfectl

Re: Solfege Resources -- 404 bach chorales in Lilypond format with Movable Do solfege.

2011-01-02 Thread Graham Percival
On Sun, Jan 02, 2011 at 12:59:39PM -0500, Michael Ellis wrote: > We all seems to agree that: >1. The "music" of the chorales (the sequences of pitches and > rhythms notated in the Breitkopf edition) is public domain. >2. The Breitkopf edition itself is also in the public domain. I haven't

Re: Solfege Resources -- 404 bach chorales in Lilypond format with Movable Do solfege.

2011-01-02 Thread Phil Hézaine
Le 02/01/2011 18:59, Michael Ellis a écrit : > Hi Phil & Graham, > Thanks very much for the information and discussion. It's all > extremely useful. Let me see if I can paraphrase a few points that > are influencing my thinking: > > We all seems to agree that: > >1. The "music" of the chora

Re: Solfege Resources -- 404 bach chorales in Lilypond format with Movable Do solfege.

2011-01-02 Thread Michael Ellis
Hi Phil & Graham, Thanks very much for the information and discussion.  It's all extremely useful.  Let me see if I can paraphrase a few points that are influencing my thinking: We all seems to agree that: 1. The "music" of the chorales (the sequences of pitches and rhythms notated in the Brei

Re: Solfege Resources -- 404 bach chorales in Lilypond format with Movable Do solfege.

2011-01-02 Thread Phil Hézaine
Le 01/01/2011 23:30, Graham Percival a écrit : > On Sat, Jan 01, 2011 at 10:08:38PM +0100, Phil Hézaine wrote: >> Moreover, there are chorals which aren't changed from the Public Domain. >> I've checked some of it against my sources. Well, only a little bit. >> And i'm not sure of the data integrit

Re: Solfege Resources -- 404 bach chorales in Lilypond format with Movable Do solfege.

2011-01-02 Thread Phil Hézaine
Le 01/01/2011 22:45, Michael Ellis a écrit : > Hi Phil, > Thanks for the input. I've sent email to Margaret (whom I don't know > personally) asking her thoughts about the licensing. I've not yet heard > back from her. > > I confess I went with a strong non-commercial clause largely in deference

Re: Solfege Resources -- 404 bach chorales in Lilypond format with Movable Do solfege.

2011-01-01 Thread Michael Ellis
Project site now has downloadable archives of PDF and MIDI files at http://code.google.com/p/solfege-resources/downloads/list Cheers, Mike ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user

Re: Solfege Resources -- 404 bach chorales in Lilypond format with Movable Do solfege.

2011-01-01 Thread Graham Percival
On Sat, Jan 01, 2011 at 10:08:38PM +0100, Phil Hézaine wrote: > Moreover, there are chorals which aren't changed from the Public Domain. > I've checked some of it against my sources. Well, only a little bit. > And i'm not sure of the data integrity of her typesetting. Interesting. > Then, why to

Re: Solfege Resources -- 404 bach chorales in Lilypond format with Movable Do solfege.

2011-01-01 Thread Michael Ellis
Hi Phil, Thanks for the input. I've sent email to Margaret (whom I don't know personally) asking her thoughts about the licensing. I've not yet heard back from her. I confess I went with a strong non-commercial clause largely in deference to her work and the claims on her website. It's a lot e

Solfege Resources -- 404 bach chorales in Lilypond format with Movable Do solfege.

2011-01-01 Thread Phil Hézaine
Hi Michael and all, Copy from the previous discussion: Le 31/12/2010 20:33, Michael Ellis a écrit : > Hi Phil, > The problem is pretty well solved. I'm just cleaning up a few things > in my scripts today. > > I don't have all the answers yet regarding copyrights. Margaret > Greentree's site seem

Re: ANN: Solfege Resources -- 404 bach chorales in Lilypond format with Movable Do solfege.

2011-01-01 Thread Michael Ellis
Apologies for the sloppy cut and paste on the URL. BTW, thanks to all of you who helped me during the past couple weeks. I'm not sure I'd have kept with it otherwise. And, of course, thanks to Jan and Han-wen and the development team for LilyPond! There's no way this could have been done so q

Re: ANN: Solfege Resources -- 404 bach chorales in Lilypond format with Movable Do solfege.

2011-01-01 Thread Xavier Scheuer
On 1 January 2011 16:25, Music Teacher wrote: > > What i forgot: I owrk with cygwin Apparently mercurial is also available on Windows. http://mercurial.selenic.com/downloads/ Maybe this link is worth a look too: http://mercurial.selenic.com/wiki/WindowsInstall Cheers, Xavier -- Xavier Scheuer

Re: ANN: Solfege Resources -- 404 bach chorales in Lilypond format with Movable Do solfege.

2011-01-01 Thread Xavier Scheuer
On 1 January 2011 16:19, Music Teacher wrote: > > 'xcuse, me again... > > hg ... > bash: hg command not found. > > What is hg? Mercurial. It's a distributed revision control system like git. You should install it first, with sudo apt-get install mercurial for instance (Ubuntu and Debian). Che

Re: ANN: Solfege Resources -- 404 bach chorales in Lilypond format with Movable Do solfege.

2011-01-01 Thread Music Teacher
What i forgot: I owrk with cygwin Francois 2011/1/1, Music Teacher : > 'xcuse, me again... > > hg ... > bash: hg command not found. > > What is hg? > > Francois > > 2011/1/1, Music Teacher : >> Thanks, Xavier, >> >> This >> https://solfege-resources.googlecode.com/hg/ >> works fine too, just a li

Re: ANN: Solfege Resources -- 404 bach chorales in Lilypond format with Movable Do solfege.

2011-01-01 Thread Music Teacher
'xcuse, me again... hg ... bash: hg command not found. What is hg? Francois 2011/1/1, Music Teacher : > Thanks, Xavier, > > This > https://solfege-resources.googlecode.com/hg/ > works fine too, just a little bit work... > > Francois > > 2011/1/1, Xavier Scheuer : >> On 1 January 2011 15:56, Mus

Re: ANN: Solfege Resources -- 404 bach chorales in Lilypond format with Movable Do solfege.

2011-01-01 Thread Music Teacher
Thanks, Xavier, This https://solfege-resources.googlecode.com/hg/ works fine too, just a little bit work... Francois 2011/1/1, Xavier Scheuer : > On 1 January 2011 15:56, Music Teacher wrote: >> >> Hi Michael, >> >> >> >> This webpage is not available.

Re: ANN: Solfege Resources -- 404 bach chorales in Lilypond format with Movable Do solfege.

2011-01-01 Thread Xavier Scheuer
On 1 January 2011 15:56, Music Teacher wrote: > > Hi Michael, > > > > This webpage is not available. > > The webpage at https://solfege-resources.googlecode.com/ might be > temporarily down or it may have moved permanently to a new web > address. > > Here

Re: ANN: Solfege Resources -- 404 bach chorales in Lilypond format with Movable Do solfege.

2011-01-01 Thread Music Teacher
Hi Michael, This webpage is not available. The webpage at https://solfege-resources.googlecode.com/ might be temporarily down or it may have moved permanently to a new web address. Here are some suggestions: Reload this web page later. More informati

ANN: Solfege Resources -- 404 bach chorales in Lilypond format with Movable Do solfege.

2010-12-31 Thread Michael Ellis
I've just committed a first version of LilyPond sources for 404 Bach chorales at https://solfege-resources.googlecode.com. The voice notation is extracted from Margaret Greentree's musicXML files of the chorales at jsbchorales.net. Each file creates PDF and midi for the full score (typically SAT