Re: Real World Usage

oriche Sezione musicologia Università di Ferrara Main Software used: - LyX 1.6.1 on WinXP sp3; EndNote & JabRef - MikTex - LaTeX class: Koma book - Lilypond 2.12 for example excerpts - BibLaTeX for bibliographies -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/Re%3A-Real-World-

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sdfgsdhdshd wrote: "craigbakalian" wrote lilypond can't compete with Finale; i disagree and explained why. Not so - Craig asked a question about whether the topic was about Lilypond needing a GUI - you didn't actually answer that. You did, however, say that Lilypond is missing features th

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Hi "sdfgsdhdshd", 3) Lilypond can do this, but nobody, including the people reading lilypnod-user, was willing to spend an hour writing a solution for my own personal problems. a) Thanks... I didn't want to say it, but I figured you would! ;-) 1) Thanks for imagining thinks about me that ar

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ined why. -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/Re%3A-Real-World-Usage-tp22935326p23037072.html Sent from the Gnu - Lilypond - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user

Re: Real-world usage of Lilypond

2009/4/11 Graham Percival : > Yes, there's a Frog mailist, but I can't remember the address > offhand.  If Valentin had his website up, I could find the address > there. Actually, the website /is/ up, but it's not official yet (and the webdesign hasn't been uploaded): http://frogs.lilynet.net/ P

Re: Real-world usage of Lilypond

2009/4/11 Graham Percival : > On Fri, Apr 10, 2009 at 03:57:03PM +0200, Christ van Willegen wrote: >> It seems that (parts of) Lily is in C++, which I've been using since >> 1995. So, I can read and (probably) bugfix in it. I guess I'll have to >> learn other languages on the way as well, includin

Re: Real-world usage of Lilypond

On Fri, Apr 10, 2009 at 03:57:03PM +0200, Christ van Willegen wrote: > Graham, list, > > On Thu, Apr 9, 2009 at 2:04 PM, Graham Percival > wrote: > > Are you?  The best way to get this started is to join the Frogs, > > our team of bugfixers.  After fixing a few bugs, you'll be able to > > start e

Re: Real-world usage of Lilypond

Graham, list, On Thu, Apr 9, 2009 at 2:04 PM, Graham Percival wrote: > On Tue, Apr 07, 2009 at 11:56:16AM +0200, Christ van Willegen wrote: >> Are there any people out there that would be willing to help make this >> possible? > > Are you?  The best way to get this started is to join the Frogs, >

Re: Real-world usage of Lilypond

In message <49dd97f8.20...@gmail.com>, Wei-Wei Guo writes I don't know there are many different systems. I'm working on a songbook for our family church, but I have little knowledge of music. So I started learning music script about a month ago. Since it's difficult for me to remember and under

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Hi Tim, I was going to object to Kieren's statement that it wasn't particularly difficult (since I think it was), but I have to suppose that he intended that it wasn't particularly difficult *for him*. Actually, what I meant was: of all the tweaks/hacks/etc. that I've seen, this is one of

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Look, I don't "have a dog in this fight" (i.e. there's nothing I need Lilypond to do that it doesn't do, etc.) but I have to protest that "Lilypond can do this, but nobody, including lilypond gurus, were able to do this." Since someone (i.e Kieren) just did it. I was going to object to Kieren's

Re: Real-world usage of Lilypond

On Apr 9, 2009, at 1:38 AM, Wei-Wei Guo wrote: I don't know there are many different systems. I'm working on a songbook for our family church, but I have little knowledge of music. So I started learning music script about a month ago. Since it's difficult for me to remember and understand

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Graham, what about: 3) Lilypond can do this, but nobody, including the people reading lilypnod-user, was willing to spend an hour writing a solution for my own personal problems. a) Thanks... I didn't want to say it, but I figured you would! ;-) b) It actually only took me about eight minutes

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Hi there, I indeed worked on a book containing a lot of church songs in several different kinds of notation. Varying from a full score with choir and organ, which wasn't an issue at all, to a setting with long notes on each of which a long sentence had to be sung, which seemed impossible until I

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On Thu, Apr 09, 2009 at 06:29:53AM -0700, sdfgsdhdshd wrote: > > Kieren MacMillan wrote: > > My point is, I would be very surprised if the list you have of > > "things Lilypond can't do" actually contains *anything* Lilypond > > can't do. > > > I see no difference between the two following se

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Hi, I see no difference between the two following sentences 1) Lilypond can't do this. 2) Lilypond can do this, but nobody, including lilypond gurus, were able to do this. Maybe not, semantically... But I could do this particular thing, and I don't consider myself a Lilypond "guru" by any

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ger. > No time for now, but i will soon check if your solution can be used in thousands copies prints. -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/Re%3A-Real-World-Usage-tp22935326p22971056.html Sent from the Gnu - Lilypond - User mailing lis

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" actually contains *anything* Lilypond > can't do. > I see no difference between the two following sentences 1) Lilypond can't do this. 2) Lilypond can do this, but nobody, including lilypond gurus, were able to do this. -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble

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Hi, At the time i needed this note, it was NOT available in lilypond. Although I don't have an older version of Lilypond to check against, I image my function would have worked for several versions now. In other words, this workaround has probably been available in Lilypond for several yea

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gt; Were there other things Lilypond supposedly couldn't do? > At the time i needed this note, it was NOT available in lilypond. I asked in this forum for confirmation; an issue was opened (not by me): See http://code.google.com/p/lilypond/issues/detail?id=648&can=1&a

Re: Real-world usage of Lilypond

M Watts 写道: Sorry Tim, I don't understand what you said. Could you point me to a link explaining those systems? Thanks! I'm not Tim, but try starting here for LilyPond syntax; also read the "see also" pages linked from the bottom: http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.12/Documentation/user/lilypond-l

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You might want to contact Wilco van den Tol. As far as I remember he worked out a project like this a few years ago. Greetings Morten Christ van Willegen skrev: ...although we all are in 'the real world' (or at least think we are :-) ) Recently, I was attending a speech by one of the lead

Re: Real-world usage of Lilypond

On Tue, Apr 07, 2009 at 11:56:16AM +0200, Christ van Willegen wrote: > I was wondering if perhaps 'we' were able to help him, by: > - Engraving songs for publishing, making them 'as good as possible'; > - Extending Lilypond to (more easily?) accomodate engraving of church > music. Two examples that

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Hi Jon, Could you put that in a snippet on LSR, Kieren? It would be useful. :) See other thread (just started). =) Kieren. ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user

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Kieren MacMillan wrote: For example, lilypond was not able to print this note: ||O|| You mean like this? Yes. Well, I did that image in Lilypond, and it wasn't particularly difficult. Were there other things Lilypond supposedly couldn't do? Just curious, Kieren. Could you put that in a s

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For example, lilypond was not able to print this note: ||O|| You mean like this? Yes. Well, I did that image in Lilypond, and it wasn't particularly difficult. Were there other things Lilypond supposedly couldn't do? Just curious, Kieren. ___

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MonAmiPierrot wrote: Bertalan Fodor (LilyPondTool) wrote: Well, WYSIWYM sucks by concept for one single reason. Typesetting can not be totally automated because of hyphenation. So if you change something slightly that causes reflow, there is a small chance that a word gets hyphenated at the

Re: Real-world usage of Lilypond

Sorry Tim, I don't understand what you said. Could you point me to a link explaining those systems? Thanks! I'm not Tim, but try starting here for LilyPond syntax; also read the "see also" pages linked from the bottom: http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.12/Documentation/user/lilypond-learning/Simpl

Re: Real-world usage of Lilypond

Tim McNamara 写道: PS. Why doesn's Lilypond provide a easy-to-use mechanism for inputing music elements, like E major key signature or quaver. It will make Lilypond not only a powerful tool for engraving music script, but also a tool for textbook. Many of these things are very easy to input o

Re: Real-world usage of Lilypond

On Apr 8, 2009, at 9:27 PM, Wei-Wei Guo wrote: Hi Kieren, Thanks. I think maybe I know how to do now. I've been looking into the link several times, but never gotten any sense. My problem might be too unfamiliar with Lilypond. PS. Why doesn's Lilypond provide a easy-to-use mechanism for

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Kieren MacMillan wrote: > > Hi, > >> For example, lilypond was not able to print this note: >> ||O|| > > You mean like this? > Yes. -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/Re%3A-Real-World-Usage-tp22935326p22963782.html Sent from the Gnu

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Hi, For example, lilypond was not able to print this note: ||O|| You mean like this? <> =) Kieren.___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user

Re: Real-world usage of Lilypond

Hi Kieren, Thanks. I think maybe I know how to do now. I've been looking into the link several times, but never gotten any sense. My problem might be too unfamiliar with Lilypond. PS. Why doesn's Lilypond provide a easy-to-use mechanism for inputing music elements, like E major key signature or

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Koma book - Lilypond 2.12 for example excerpts - BibLaTeX for bibliographies -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/Re%3A-Real-World-Usage-tp22935326p22960464.html Sent from the Gnu - Lilypond - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___

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Kieren MacMillan wrote: > > Can you list those? > Kieren. > For example, lilypond was not able to print this note: ||O|| -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/Re%3A-Real-World-Usage-tp22935326p22959696.html Sent from the Gnu - Lilypond - User mailing lis

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Hi Piero, we must say breaking algorhythm is far better than Finale's (the problem being that manual tweaking is *much* harder) ?? I actually find the opposite... Finale's manual breaking system is more difficult and less flexible than Lilypond's. In my Lilypond scores, I simply have a man

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is *much* harder). Piero - Piero Faustini, PhD student Dipartimento di Scienze Storiche Sezione musicologia Università di Ferrara Main Software used: - LyX 1.6.1 on WinXP sp3; EndNote & JabRef - MikTex - LaTeX class: Koma book - Lilypond 2.12 for example excerpts - BibLaTeX for bib

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Well, WYSIWYM sucks by concept for one single reason. Typesetting can not be totally automated because of hyphenation. So if you change something slightly that causes reflow, there is a small chance that a word gets hyphenated at the wrong place. With WYSIWYM you should not care about this: an im

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used the result before i told them it was made by lilypond. -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/Re%3A-Real-World-Usage-tp22935326p22948955.html Sent from the Gnu - Lilypond - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ lilypond-us

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> Hi, > > > Some time ago i tried to publish scores; therefore i was in touch > > with several music publishers, in 2 or 3 european countries. As one > > might expect, they have a few basic requirements on the look of the > > scores. Sadly, lilypond does not meet all of them. > > Can you list t

Re: Real-world usage of Lilypond

HI Wei-Wei, Could you point me to any material explaining this? It's all in the Text markup docs, in particular the Music section: Hope this helps! Kieren. ___ lilypond-user m

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Hi, Some time ago i tried to publish scores; therefore i was in touch with several music publishers, in 2 or 3 european countries. As one might expect, they have a few basic requirements on the look of the scores. Sadly, lilypond does not meet all of them. Can you list those? Kieren.

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not mention to develop. - Piero Faustini, PhD student Dipartimento di Scienze Storiche Sezione musicologia Università di Ferrara Main Software used: - LyX 1.6.1 on WinXP sp3; EndNote & JabRef - MikTex - LaTeX class: Koma book - Lilypond 2.12 for example excerpts - BibLaTeX for bibliograp

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not mention to develop. - Piero Faustini, PhD student Dipartimento di Scienze Storiche Sezione musicologia Università di Ferrara Main Software used: - LyX 1.6.1 on WinXP sp3; EndNote & JabRef - MikTex - LaTeX class: Koma book - Lilypond 2.12 for example excerpts - BibLaTeX for bibliograp

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ome of these requirements, and read post from people asking for few of them; the lilypond gurus and the feature database confirmed they were not (yet) possible. -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/Re%3A-Real-World-Usage-tp22935326p22945455.html Sent from the Gnu - Lilypond - Use

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On Tue, Apr 07, 2009 at 06:35:33PM -0700, Paul Scott wrote: >> I don't get the topic. Do you mean compete with Finale? If you do, I >> think you are foolish. Leave Lilypond the way it is, with no gui-ed up >> shlock. > We are close to having the best both worlds. Just as we have Unix/LIn

Re: Real-world usage of Lilypond

Hi Kieren, I think that might be the method, combining basic symbols, that I'm looking for. I actually don't understand those "#Y" or "#DOWN". I guess those represent some basic symbols. Could you point me to any material explaining this? I'm searching like a blind touching everything but getti

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Hi Andrew, Thanks! It's good to know it. But it is a pity that the fonts still have limited symbols. Wei-Wei Andrew Hawryluk 写道: Do you mean including musical symbols in the body text? You may be interested in http://www.mu.qub.ac.uk/tomita/bachfont/ Andrew

Re: Real-world usage of Lilypond

Hi Wei-Wei Guo, explaining what a quaver is in text line. \markup { A quaver looks like \fontsize #-2 \general-align #Y #DOWN \note #"8" #1 } Hope this helps! Kieren. ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org

Re: Real-world usage of Lilypond

On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 8:26 PM, Wei-Wei Guo wrote: > M Watts 写道: >> >> Wei-Wei Guo wrote: >>> >>> Christ van Willegen 写道: - Any other advice/techniques/additions/modifications we can think of. >>> >>> Does Lilypond has any application on music textbook? Is is possible? I >>> find >>> it

Re: Real-world usage of Lilypond

M Watts 写道: Wei-Wei Guo wrote: Christ van Willegen 写道: - Any other advice/techniques/additions/modifications we can think of. Does Lilypond has any application on music textbook? Is is possible? I find it difficult to input single/standalone music symbols, such as crotchet or quaver. Hav

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craigbakalian wrote: Hi All, I am a composer who is using Lilypond exclusively. I have used it for a choir and piano piece, flute and piano sonatas, piano pieces, numerous chamber works, and a full three movement trumpet concerto. It already is real world usage. It's great

Re: Real-world usage of Lilypond

Wei-Wei Guo wrote: Christ van Willegen 写道: - Any other advice/techniques/additions/modifications we can think of. Does Lilypond has any application on music textbook? Is is possible? I find it difficult to input single/standalone music symbols, such as crotchet or quaver. Have you seen oo

Re: Real World Usage

Hi All, I am a composer who is using Lilypond exclusively. I have used it for a choir and piano piece, flute and piano sonatas, piano pieces, numerous chamber works, and a full three movement trumpet concerto. It already is real world usage. I don't get the topic. Do you

Re: Real-world usage of Lilypond

Jan, list, On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 2:42 PM, Jan Nieuwenhuizen wrote: > Op dinsdag 07-04-2009 om 11:56 uur [tijdzone +0200], schreef Christ van > Willegen: >> - Extending Lilypond to (more easily?) accomodate engraving of church >> music. Two examples that I can think of are: Setting rests at the e

Re: Real-world usage of Lilypond

Christ van Willegen 写道: - Any other advice/techniques/additions/modifications we can think of. Does Lilypond has any application on music textbook? Is is possible? I find it difficult to input single/standalone music symbols, such as crotchet or quaver. Best wishes, Wei-Wei

Re: Real-world usage of Lilypond

Op dinsdag 07-04-2009 om 11:56 uur [tijdzone +0200], schreef Christ van Willegen: [cc list] > - Extending Lilypond to (more easily?) accomodate engraving of church > music. Two examples that I can think of are: Setting rests at the end > of a system, and making music centered and not left aligned;

Re: Real-world usage of Lilypond

Op dinsdag 07 april 2009, schreef Christ van Willegen: > (...) told me that they were already looking into using Lilypond... > > So, here's a serious example of the usage of Lilypond in the real world. > > I was wondering if perhaps 'we' were able to help him, by: > - Engraving songs for publishing

Re: Real-world usage of Lilypond

Am Dienstag, 7. April 2009 schrieb Christ van Willegen: >[...] at least it can be shown > that Lilypond is ready for world usage. I doubt that anyone who has seen e.g. Michael Käpplers score of Telemann's "Meine Schafe hören meine Stimme", available at http://icking-music-archive.org/ByCompo

Real-world usage of Lilypond

...although we all are in 'the real world' (or at least think we are :-) ) Recently, I was attending a speech by one of the leading people being busy with compiling a new book of church songs for The Netherlands (or at least the Calvinist/Lutheran part of it). When the speech was finished I asked