Re: many users don't know about \shape

2013-05-12 Thread Janek Warchoł
Hi, 2013/5/12 David Kastrup : > David Nalesnik writes: > > [\shape] > >> As I said above, it is most useful when such layout details as line and >> page breaks are settled--as, of course, is directly overriding control >> points, > > Well, it's good that we have it, and bad that we need it. That

Re: many users don't know about \shape

2013-05-12 Thread David Kastrup
David Nalesnik writes: [\shape] > As I said above, it is most useful when such layout details as line and > page breaks are settled--as, of course, is directly overriding control > points, Well, it's good that we have it, and bad that we need it. -- David Kastrup

Re: many users don't know about \shape

2013-05-12 Thread Urs Liska
Am 12.05.2013 13:35, schrieb David Nalesnik: On Sat, May 11, 2013 at 11:42 PM, David Kastrup wrote: Janek Warcho? writes: 2013/5/11 David Kastrup : Janek Warcho? writes: my experience (particularly with Fried project) shows that with regard to slurs and ties, LilyPond is very far from au

Re: many users don't know about \shape

2013-05-12 Thread David Nalesnik
On Sat, May 11, 2013 at 11:42 PM, David Kastrup wrote: > Janek Warchoł writes: > > > 2013/5/11 David Kastrup : > >> Janek Warchoł writes: > >>> my experience (particularly with Fried project) shows that > >>> with regard to slurs and ties, LilyPond is very far from automated > >>> typesetting.

Re: many users don't know about \shape

2013-05-11 Thread David Kastrup
Janek Warchoł writes: > 2013/5/11 David Kastrup : >> Janek Warchoł writes: >>> my experience (particularly with Fried project) shows that >>> with regard to slurs and ties, LilyPond is very far from automated >>> typesetting. If you want publication quality, you _have_ to tweak the >>> output qu

Re: many users don't know about \shape

2013-05-11 Thread Kieren MacMillan
Hello, > There will always be a need to change things, position objects to a user's > preference. In that regard, it's really too bad the extremely-useful 'head' and 'stem' positioning options are no longer in Lilypond… A huge percentage of the slur tweaks I need to add are simply re-positioni

Re: many users don't know about \shape

2013-05-11 Thread Janek Warchoł
2013/5/11 David Kastrup : > Janek Warchoł writes: >> my experience (particularly with Fried project) shows that >> with regard to slurs and ties, LilyPond is very far from automated >> typesetting. If you want publication quality, you _have_ to tweak the >> output quite heavily - would you rather

Re: many users don't know about \shape

2013-05-11 Thread David Nalesnik
On Sat, May 11, 2013 at 1:58 AM, David Kastrup wrote: > Janek Warchoł writes: > > > 2013/5/10 David Kastrup : > >> Janek Warchoł writes: > >>> I'm wondering whether we should advertise \shape more. It's > >>> tremendously helpful, and yet despite it had been added ~1 year ago > >>> (IIRC) many

Re: many users don't know about \shape

2013-05-11 Thread David Kastrup
Janek Warchoł writes: > Sure, we're working on it with Urs (progressing slowly). It'd be nice > for LilyPond Report, but frankly i think we should rather create a > multi-author blog - it would be easier to keep it active. A "multi-author blog" sounds pretty much the same as a journal except th

Re: many users don't know about \shape

2013-05-11 Thread Urs Liska
Am 11.05.2013 11:15, schrieb Janek Warchoł: 2013/5/11 Federico Bruni : 2013/5/11 Janek Warchoł ... Quite frankly, if we didn't have \shape, i'd say that LilyPond was incapable of handling Fried project :( I think I missed this project, all I can find is this: http://lists.gnu.org/archive/htm

Re: many users don't know about \shape

2013-05-11 Thread Janek Warchoł
2013/5/11 Federico Bruni : > > 2013/5/11 Janek Warchoł >> >> I'm 100% for automated typesetting: it's my dream and the very reason >> why i'm using LilyPond. >> However, my experience (particularly with Fried project) shows that >> with regard to slurs and ties, LilyPond is very far from automated

Re: many users don't know about \shape

2013-05-11 Thread Federico Bruni
2013/5/11 Janek Warchoł > I'm 100% for automated typesetting: it's my dream and the very reason > why i'm using LilyPond. > However, my experience (particularly with Fried project) shows that > with regard to slurs and ties, LilyPond is very far from automated > typesetting. If you want publicati

Re: many users don't know about \shape

2013-05-10 Thread David Kastrup
Janek Warchoł writes: > 2013/5/10 David Kastrup : >> Janek Warchoł writes: >>> I'm wondering whether we should advertise \shape more. It's >>> tremendously helpful, and yet despite it had been added ~1 year ago >>> (IIRC) many users don't know about it. >> >> I'm somewhat dubious about "tremend

Re: many users don't know about \shape

2013-05-10 Thread Janek Warchoł
Hi, 2013/5/10 David Kastrup : > Janek Warchoł writes: >> I'm wondering whether we should advertise \shape more. It's >> tremendously helpful, and yet despite it had been added ~1 year ago >> (IIRC) many users don't know about it. > > I'm somewhat dubious about "tremendously helpful" as it defeat

Re: many users don't know about \shape

2013-05-10 Thread Alberto Simões
On 10/05/13 15:40, Urs Liska wrote: Am 10.05.2013 16:36, schrieb Alberto Simões: On 10/05/13 15:27, David Kastrup wrote: Alberto Simões writes: For those interested in the \shape usage, this is what I was working in: http://www.musica-liturgica.net/viewfull.pl/375 I'd probably not le

Re: many users don't know about \shape

2013-05-10 Thread Urs Liska
Am 10.05.2013 16:36, schrieb Alberto Simões: On 10/05/13 15:27, David Kastrup wrote: Alberto Simões writes: For those interested in the \shape usage, this is what I was working in: http://www.musica-liturgica.net/viewfull.pl/375 I'd probably not let the one voice jump around staves so

Re: many users don't know about \shape

2013-05-10 Thread Alberto Simões
On 10/05/13 15:27, David Kastrup wrote: Alberto Simões writes: For those interested in the \shape usage, this is what I was working in: http://www.musica-liturgica.net/viewfull.pl/375 I'd probably not let the one voice jump around staves so much. Just keep it in the top staff, typesetti

Re: many users don't know about \shape

2013-05-10 Thread David Kastrup
Alberto Simões writes: > For those interested in the \shape usage, this is what I was working in: > http://www.musica-liturgica.net/viewfull.pl/375 I'd probably not let the one voice jump around staves so much. Just keep it in the top staff, typesetting it with \voiceFour instead of \voiceTwo

Re: many users don't know about \shape

2013-05-10 Thread Alberto Simões
On 10/05/13 14:55, David Kastrup wrote: Alberto Simões writes: On 10/05/13 14:42, David Nalesnik wrote: On Fri, May 10, 2013 at 8:38 AM, Alberto Simões mailto:al...@alfarrabio.di.uminho.pt>> wrote: Probably the fact that I am running 2.16. Updating. \shape will in fact work with 2

Re: many users don't know about \shape

2013-05-10 Thread David Kastrup
Alberto Simões writes: > On 10/05/13 14:42, David Nalesnik wrote: >> >> On Fri, May 10, 2013 at 8:38 AM, Alberto Simões >> mailto:al...@alfarrabio.di.uminho.pt>> >> wrote: >> >> >> Probably the fact that I am running 2.16. Updating. >> >> >> \shape will in fact work with 2.16. You just need

Re: many users don't know about \shape

2013-05-10 Thread David Kastrup
Janek Warchoł writes: > I'm wondering whether we should advertise \shape more. It's > tremendously helpful, and yet despite it had been added ~1 year ago > (IIRC) many users don't know about it. I'm somewhat dubious about "tremendously helpful" as it defeats automated typesetting. And "had bee

Re: many users don't know about \shape

2013-05-10 Thread Alberto Simões
On 10/05/13 14:42, David Nalesnik wrote: On Fri, May 10, 2013 at 8:38 AM, Alberto Simões mailto:al...@alfarrabio.di.uminho.pt>> wrote: Probably the fact that I am running 2.16. Updating. \shape will in fact work with 2.16. You just need to use a different ordering of the arguments: \

Re: many users don't know about \shape

2013-05-10 Thread David Nalesnik
On Fri, May 10, 2013 at 8:38 AM, Alberto Simões < al...@alfarrabio.di.uminho.pt> wrote: > > > Probably the fact that I am running 2.16. Updating. \shape will in fact work with 2.16. You just need to use a different ordering of the arguments: \shape Slur #'((0 . 0) (0 . 0) (0 . 0) (0 . 0)) (The

Re: many users don't know about \shape

2013-05-10 Thread Thomas Morley
2013/5/10 Alberto Simões : > > > On 10/05/13 14:29, Janek Warchoł wrote: >> >> Hi, >> >> 2013/5/10 Alberto Simões : >>> >>> >>> On 10/05/13 14:17, Urs Liska wrote: Am 10.05.2013 15:15, schrieb Alberto Simões: > > >>> The snippet in >>> http:/

Re: many users don't know about \shape

2013-05-10 Thread Alberto Simões
On 10/05/13 14:34, Alberto Simões wrote: On 10/05/13 14:29, Janek Warchoł wrote: Hi, 2013/5/10 Alberto Simões : On 10/05/13 14:17, Urs Liska wrote: Am 10.05.2013 15:15, schrieb Alberto Simões: The snippet in http://lsr.dsi.unimi.it/LSR/__Snippet?id=748 And

Re: many users don't know about \shape

2013-05-10 Thread Alberto Simões
On 10/05/13 14:29, Janek Warchoł wrote: Hi, 2013/5/10 Alberto Simões : On 10/05/13 14:17, Urs Liska wrote: Am 10.05.2013 15:15, schrieb Alberto Simões: The snippet in http://lsr.dsi.unimi.it/LSR/__Snippet?id=748 And unfortunately it doesn't work pretty well o