Re: Odd-looking tie on a chord

2011-07-05 Thread David Kastrup
Graham Percival writes: > On Tue, Jul 05, 2011 at 09:32:15AM +0200, David Kastrup wrote: >> Nick Payne writes: >> >> > On 05/07/11 06:26, Graham Percival wrote: >> >> Ah, but as far as lilypond is concerned, whitespace *is* nothing. :) >> > Actually, right-hand fingering requires whitespace. If

Re: Odd-looking tie on a chord

2011-07-05 Thread Graham Percival
On Tue, Jul 05, 2011 at 09:32:15AM +0200, David Kastrup wrote: > Nick Payne writes: > > > On 05/07/11 06:26, Graham Percival wrote: > >> Ah, but as far as lilypond is concerned, whitespace *is* nothing. :) > > Actually, right-hand fingering requires whitespace. If the whitespace > > between "#1"

Re: Odd-looking tie on a chord

2011-07-05 Thread Kieren MacMillan
> And therefore any example containing unnecessary whitespace _is_ "an example > from which nothing can be removed". Awesome. That's why I love language, and debates where either side (including myself) try to tie it down and make it "perfectly clear". =) Thanks for my daily smile, Matt! Kier

Re: Odd-looking tie on a chord

2011-07-05 Thread David Kastrup
Nick Payne writes: > On 05/07/11 06:26, Graham Percival wrote: >> Ah, but as far as lilypond is concerned, whitespace *is* nothing. :) > Actually, right-hand fingering requires whitespace. If the whitespace > between "#1" and ">" in 4 is removed, Lilypond > throws an error. Not a particularly co

Re: Odd-looking tie on a chord

2011-07-05 Thread Nick Payne
On 05/07/11 06:26, Graham Percival wrote: Ah, but as far as lilypond is concerned, whitespace *is* nothing. :) Actually, right-hand fingering requires whitespace. If the whitespace between "#1" and ">" in 4 is removed, Lilypond throws an error. Nick __

Re: Odd-looking tie on a chord

2011-07-04 Thread Dmytro O. Redchuk
On Tue 05 Jul 2011, 18:09 Matthew Collett wrote: > On 5/07/2011, at 8:26 am, Graham Percival wrote: > > Ah, but as far as lilypond is concerned, whitespace *is* nothing. :) > > And therefore any example containing unnecessary whitespace _is_ > "an example from which nothing can be removed". Great

Re: Odd-looking tie on a chord

2011-07-04 Thread Matthew Collett
On 5/07/2011, at 8:26 am, Graham Percival wrote: >>> To me the sentence "A tiny example is an example from which nothing >>> can be removed." explains it all >> >> Can't whitespace be removed without affecting the outcome? ;) > > Ah, but as far as lilypond is concerned, whitespace *is* nothing.

Re: Odd-looking tie on a chord

2011-07-04 Thread Graham Percival
On Mon, Jul 04, 2011 at 03:55:37PM -0400, Kieren MacMillan wrote: > Hi all, > > > To me the sentence "A tiny example is an example from which nothing > > can be removed." explains it all > > Can't whitespace be removed without affecting the outcome? ;) Ah, but as far as lilypond is concerned, w

Re: Odd-looking tie on a chord

2011-07-04 Thread Kieren MacMillan
Hi all, > To me the sentence "A tiny example is an example from which nothing > can be removed." explains it all Can't whitespace be removed without affecting the outcome? ;) > I guess we have to clarify it. +1. Cheers, Kieren. ___ lilypond-user ma

Re: Odd-looking tie on a chord

2011-07-04 Thread Janek Warchoł
2011/7/4 James Harkins : > Okay, I understand better now. "Tiny example" doesn't really just mean > "tiny." To me, one bar is tiny. :) > But "tiny" seems to imply other things. Tiny-examples.html doesn't *quite* > explain this. To me the sentence "A tiny example is an example from which nothin

Re: Odd-looking tie on a chord

2011-07-04 Thread Janek Warchoł
2011/7/4 Bill Mooney : > \version "2.14.1" > \include "english.ly" > \score { >  \new Staff { >    \key d \major >    \numericTimeSignature >    \time 4/4 >    r4 >    \times 4/5 { 16\< b''> d'' b''>~ } > >     8~ %moving the dot from here. > >    8. % ... to here makes the tie pretty... >    

Re: Odd-looking tie on a chord

2011-07-04 Thread Werner LEMBERG
> Sorry for posting a too-complex example. But I'd also add, from the > perspective of a relatively new user, "tiny example" seems to be > defined a bit like pornography... hard to say exactly what it is, > but you know it when you see it. :) :-) This saying should go into the manual also...

Re: Odd-looking tie on a chord

2011-07-04 Thread Reinhold Kainhofer
Am Montag, 4. Juli 2011, 16:38:22 schrieb James Harkins: > Okay, I understand better now. "Tiny example" doesn't really just mean > "tiny." To me, one bar is tiny. But "tiny" seems to imply other things. > Tiny-examples.html doesn't *quite* explain this. "Tiny" is not meant in terms out music outp

Re: Odd-looking tie on a chord

2011-07-04 Thread Graham Percival
On Mon, Jul 04, 2011 at 10:38:22PM +0800, James Harkins wrote: > Sorry for posting a too-complex example. But I'd also add, from > the perspective of a relatively new user, "tiny example" seems > to be defined a bit like pornography... hard to say exactly what > it is, but you know it when you see

Re: Odd-looking tie on a chord

2011-07-04 Thread James Harkins
At Mon, 4 Jul 2011 12:14:49 +0200, m...@apollinemike.com wrote: > Ties, like beams and stems, vary widely in terms of aesthetic preference, and > LilyPond offers a few properties to help express these preferences through > various minima, maxima, and penalties. > > Try setting: > \override Tie #

Re: Odd-looking tie on a chord

2011-07-04 Thread James Harkins
At Mon, 4 Jul 2011 10:30:06 +0100, Graham Percival wrote: > We have limited developer resources. If possible, try to make an > example which can be understood in about 10 seconds. > > > But, since you asked, I'll remove > ... not enough. Okay, I understand better now. "Tiny example" doesn't real

Re: Odd-looking tie on a chord

2011-07-04 Thread m...@apollinemike.com
On Jul 4, 2011, at 11:45 AM, Dmytro O. Redchuk wrote: > On Mon 04 Jul 2011, 15:39 James Harkins wrote: >> \version "2.14.1" >> >> \include "english.ly" >> >> \score { >> \new Staff { >> \key d \major >> \numericTimeSignature >> \time 4/4 >> r4 >> \times 4/5 { 16\< > d'' b''>~ } >> 16

Re: Odd-looking tie on a chord

2011-07-04 Thread Dmytro O. Redchuk
On Mon 04 Jul 2011, 15:39 James Harkins wrote: > \version "2.14.1" > > \include "english.ly" > > \score { > \new Staff { > \key d \major > \numericTimeSignature > \time 4/4 > r4 > \times 4/5 { 16\< b''>~ } > 16 8. > > %% Here: the tie on the D's looks funny > %

Re: Odd-looking tie on a chord

2011-07-04 Thread Dmytro O. Redchuk
On Mon 04 Jul 2011, 10:30 Graham Percival wrote: > Dmytro: here's a Tiny example. > > \version "2.14.1" > > \relative c'' { > \time 2/4 > d16 d8. ~ d8 d > % both sets of ties in chords look icky > d16 8. ~ 8 d > \tieUp > d16 8. ~ 8 d > } Thank you. It's almost what's I am finished up

Re: Odd-looking tie on a chord

2011-07-04 Thread Graham Percival
On Mon, Jul 04, 2011 at 05:16:27PM +0800, James Harkins wrote: > I find this remark a bit baffling. This is already an extract out of 120 > lines of lilypond code. I did my best to "tin-ify" it, and I'm quite startled > to hear that this already very short example is somehow not tiny enough. We

Re: Odd-looking tie on a chord

2011-07-04 Thread James Harkins
At Mon, 4 Jul 2011 11:01:20 +0300, Dmytro O. Redchuk wrote: > Could you please try to make your example smaller (as small as possible, to be > a "tiny example", see http://lilypond.org/tiny-examples.html) ? I find this remark a bit baffling. This is already an extract out of 120 lines of lilypond

Re: Odd-looking tie on a chord

2011-07-04 Thread Bill Mooney
Hi! You wrote:- +++ \version "2.14.1" \include "english.ly" \score { \new Staff { \key d \major \numericTimeSignature \time 4/4 r4 \times 4/5 { 16\< ~ } 16 8. %% Here: the tie on the D's looks funny %% Too tall? Left-hand endpoint is not aligne

Re: Odd-looking tie on a chord

2011-07-04 Thread Dmytro O. Redchuk
On Mon 04 Jul 2011, 15:39 James Harkins wrote: > \version "2.14.1" > > \include "english.ly" > > \score { > \new Staff { > \key d \major > \numericTimeSignature > \time 4/4 > r4 > \times 4/5 { 16\< b''>~ } > 16 8. > > %% Here: the tie on the D's looks funny > %

Re: Odd-looking tie on a chord

2011-07-04 Thread David Kastrup
James Harkins writes: > Unrelated question -- I had asked a week or two ago if there is any > more-convenient way to write repeated chords without copying and > pasting the <...> expressions. I don't recall seeing an answer on the > list. If the answer is "no," it would help me to know that for s