I hope you have noticed that Graham, our main document editor, has already
incorporated a number of ideas from the earlier version of your beginners
guide, into the latest version of the official Tutorial.
/Mats
Quoting Manuel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
Chapter 1 of the guide, and a first version
I think one important conceptual idea of LilyPond is that the input
file is
mainly used to describe the music and the structure of the music, not
primarily how it should be printed on paper. Therefore, I agree with
Henning that it's much better to directly learn the correct syntax for
repeats in
Manuel wrote:
Am 02/01/2007 um 21:21 schrieb fiëé visuëlle:
Don't you think \repeat{} makes more sense?
(I prefer logical over visual markup.)
Henning, I don't know if that would be the simplest thing to learn at
the beginning. How would you put it?
I think one important conceptual ide
Am 02/01/2007 um 21:21 schrieb fiëé visuëlle:
Don't you think \repeat{} makes more sense?
(I prefer logical over visual markup.)
Henning, I don't know if that would be the simplest thing to learn at
the beginning. How would you put it?
I'd introduce bar checks before partials.
I think
Am 02/01/2007 um 21:43 schrieb Brett Duncan:
Just a small typo:
If you need, say, an eight-note anacrusis
should be
If you need, say, an /eighth/-note anacrusis
Of course! - Thank you.
Manuel
Brett
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Brett Duncan
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"Always do right - this will gratify some and a
Just a small typo:
If you need, say, an eight-note anacrusis
should be
If you need, say, an /eighth/-note anacrusis
Brett
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Brett Duncan
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
"Always do right - this will gratify some and astonish the rest."
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Am 2006-12-28 um 02:44 schrieb Manuel:
Insert double bars and repeats like this:
\bar "|:"
b c d e
\bar ":|:"
f g a b
\bar ":|"
Don't you think \repeat{} makes more sense?
(I prefer logical over visual markup.)
And last but not least in our little first beginners' chapter,
we'll give y
Manuel wrote:
Bonnie,
only a brief message for the moment to ask you if you would consider
adapting the Absolute Beginners Guide for Windows users?
I'll try to get the process started, at least, using the wiki. I may
not have time to do much until next week.
Cheers!
Bonnie
Hi Bonnie, Hi Manuel,
Bonnie Rogers wrote:
> Hi Manuel,
>
> I felt the same way you did about the wiki, but I took a few minutes
> late last night to check it out, and I found that it really is quite
> friendly and easy to use. I may not have figured out everything, but I
> had no trouble sett
Bonnie,
only a brief message for the moment to ask you if you would consider
adapting the Absolute Beginners Guide for Windows users? (the final
title has been your suggestion, if I remember it right).
I don't know exactly what does and does not belong in this list. Must
learn it graduall
Manuel wrote:
John Mandreau:
My offer to integrate your work into the official tutorial was
premature, as it is not clear now how to integrate it (or add it) into
the official docs, that's why I second Joe and Graham's suggestion: the
ideal current hosting of your work is certainly a wiki, for
Am 29/12/2006 um 02:17 schrieb John Mandereau:
( ... )
Although I agree that having one didactical introduction and one
reference work is a good idea, don't forget that even a reference
work must be somewhat didactical, since even the expert is learning.
No, a real reference is pure informat
Le jeudi 28 décembre 2006 à 15:13 +0100, Manuel a écrit :
[...]
> "See this, I show you, do thus, note the ripples" - That's teaching!
> - but only good teaching if the teacher knows where he is taking you.
You're effectively focused on teaching in your tutorial, which is a very
good point!
>
John Mandereau wrote:
Le mercredi 27 décembre 2006 à 17:13 +0100, Manuel a écrit :
It looks
like it was made by people with deep and systematic knowledge of the
matter but less didactical experience.
Please don't be insulting. The problem is not my pedagogical skills;
it's my lack of time
John, I very much welcome the chance of discussing some essential
matters about teaching and learning, transmitting knowledge and
abilities, and other matters. Allow me to go back in time.
According with modern anthropological theory, humans learn by
imitating gestures. (See Clive Gamble, "
Manuel wrote:
Paul, I have now changed this part. What do you think?
That all seems great! You might consider adding to the following the
explanation about the reversal of the numbers from the way we normally
think, e.g. 16*5 instead of 5*16 (or 5/16).
(insert graphic here)
There is no rhyt
Le mercredi 27 décembre 2006 à 17:13 +0100, Manuel a écrit :
> Graham, I think the present tutorial is an excellent piece of work as
> it is, only unclear in certain parts for beginners like me. It looks
> like it was made by people with deep and systematic knowledge of the
> matter but less
Paul, I have now changed this part. What do you think?
( ... )
And last but not least in our little first beginners' chapter, we'll
give you the tool for beginning your melodies with an anacrusis, also
known as "upbeat" or "pickup". This is the
\partial
command. If you need, say, an ei
Pierre Abbat wrote:
On Monday 25 December 2006 10:36, Geoff Horton wrote:
It would be better to call them "brackets" or "braces" consistently,
rather than switching.
The curly ones {} are braces. The square ones [] are brackets. Greater-than
and less-than signs, when used to enclose s
Manuel wrote:
Paul, are
anacrusis
upbeat
pickup
all commonly understood terms in english speaking countries?
Yes. There are probably some musicians who are not familiar with anacrusis.
Paul
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Paul, are
anacrusis
upbeat
pickup
all commonly understood terms in english speaking countries?
This is the
\partial
command. If you need, say, a quarter-note anacrusis, you type
"quarter note" - "asterisk" - "one" after the commad, in this way:
\partial 4*1
No need for the "*1". W
Manuel wrote:
This is to invite criticism for the "anacrusis" part of the chapter,
which I added towards the end.
Manuel
( ... )
As a last thing in our little first beginners' chapter, we'll give you
the tool for beginning your melodies with an anacrusis or "upbeat".
or "pickup" (common
Graham, I think the present tutorial is an excellent piece of work as
it is, only unclear in certain parts for beginners like me. It looks
like it was made by people with deep and systematic knowledge of the
matter but less didactical experience. I like the idea to try and
expand "beginners
Manuel wrote:
Graham, I see that you are in charge of documentation. I suggest that
the little "Absolute Beginners' " help we have been tossing around for
the last couple of days be included in the documentation. What is your
opinion?
The entire "absolute beginners" chapter is longer than oth
On 12/26/06, Manuel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
(Joe, I respect your privacy, of course, but I notice that you sent this
message to me alone.)
Oops, I just clicked the wrong button.
Are you not one of the core developers of LilyPond?
It seems I am gradually becoming one.
I'm not, at leas
Kevin,
Probably because I don't really know or understand the wiki thing
(not yet at least), I don't feel comfortable with it. I have just
asked Graham for his opinion about including the "Absolute Beginners"
help in the LilyPond's documentation. Let's see what he thinks.
Manuel
Am 26
Wikis are good at this type of thing. Give it a try and see what it
looks like in a week. There will be a lot of quick changes, with
should change a good description to a better one.
"Joe Neeman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>On 12/26/06, Manuel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> About wiki
Am 26/12/2006 um 18:41 schrieb Joe Neeman:
Our documentation guru is also our bug meister
Who is he?
the interference of any of the developers.
But that's part of my point. I write "do this for that purpose", then
somebody else suggests a change, and so forth. But will it really
work
On 12/26/06, Manuel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
About wiki, I don't think so. Especially as a newbie, I respect the
existing working structure of the LilyPond project.
I'm not sure I understand your objection. The wiki exists exactly for this
sort of thing.
I assume that
there are people in
I have now incorporated (I hope) all the latest corrections and
suggestions. However, I thought that the ability to write simple
melodies should include the possibility of anacrusis, so I wrote a
little more at the end of the text.
About wiki, I don't think so. Especially as a newbie, I res
Why don't you put your tutorial on the wiki[1]? This way people can make
small changes without all the back-and-forth on the mailing list. Also, you
get automatic version control and it allows you to easily divide your
tutorial into multiple sections.
[1] http://lilypondwiki.tuxfamily.org
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Am 26/12/2006 um 15:14 schrieb Geoff Horton:
comes the c that is a fourth above the g instead of a fifth below, an
so forth.
"and so forth" (yet another one that spellcheck won't find)
I anded the an to an and.
You set the clef naming the one you want: in the preceeding example,
we wrote
Geoff, I took away plainchant. Should I mention other things, like
proportional notation or whatever?
I don't know--I've never used proportional notation (at least not knowingly).
comes the c that is a fourth above the g instead of a fifth below, an
so forth.
"and so forth" (yet another one
Geoff, I took away plainchant. Should I mention other things, like
proportional notation or whatever?
David, I did just that and changed the sentence.
Eyolf, I included a reference to "chiavettes" with "G_8".
You change the clef changing the term "treble" to
Would "word" be better than
I finally sat down and read through the beginners' guide, and I like it! Good
work. Two minor comments:
On Tue 26 December 2006 01:57, Manuel wrote:
> You change the clef changing the term "treble" to
>
>
> alto
> tenor
> bass
etc.
Perhaps you should include "G_8" too - it's certainly the clef I
Geoff Horton wrote:
>> You can analyze the exercise and see that the first note e appears a
>> third above middle c rather than a sixth below; the same happens with
>> the following g in relation to the preceding e; then comes a c a
>> fourth above the g instead of a fifth below, an so forth.
>
>
Am 26/12/2006 um 02:39 schrieb Geoff Horton:
You can, of course, change these and all other defaults; indeed you
can engrave old plainchant, contemporary notation, orchestral scores,
do MIDI files, and more. But all that lies further down the road. For
the moment, we will teach you how to engra
Geoff, there is indeed a fist in English, not the first, but hitting
harder than a spell check. Here's with the corrections (is
"corrections" the right English word?)
It is indeed. A few other things I noticed in reading through it again:
You can, of course, change these and all other defaults
Am 26/12/2006 um 01:20 schrieb Geoff Horton:
You can analyze the exercise and see that the fist note e appears a
fist -> first.
You change the clef changing the term "treble" for
for -> to
like for instance:
"like for instance" is a little _too_ colloquial; "for example" would
probabl
You can analyze the exercise and see that the fist note e appears a
fist -> first.
You change the clef changing the term "treble" for
for -> to
like for instance:
"like for instance" is a little _too_ colloquial; "for example" would
probably be better.
For instance:
I'd prefer "for e
Am 25/12/2006 um 22:40 schrieb Brett Duncan:
Hi Manuel,
Here's a couple of things I spotted:
You specify these values with a number after the name of the note:
"c1" will make a whole note (also called a minim); "d8" an eighth
note (or quaver), etc.
A minim is a half-note; a whole note i
Am 25/12/2006 um 23:38 schrieb Cameron Horsburgh:
Which one would you prefer?
Hmm, I like both!
In that case I'll let it stay as it is, at least for the moment.
I have now made this change. But what about "term"?
Ah, yes.
I've changed it again to "term" to see what happens.
Manuel
On Mon, Dec 25, 2006 at 10:56:52PM +0100, Manuel wrote:
>
> Am 25/12/2006 um 22:40 schrieb Cameron Horsburgh:
>
> >How about "Don't worry about the accidentals. for now. We'll come to
> >those in a moment."
>
> I just posted a version including:
>
> "Don't worry just yet about the naturals. We'
Am 25/12/2006 um 22:40 schrieb Cameron Horsburgh:
How about "Don't worry about the accidentals. for now. We'll come to
those in a moment."
I just posted a version including:
"Don't worry just yet about the naturals. We'll explain them when we
come to talk about keys."
Which one would you
On Tue, Dec 26, 2006 at 08:40:05AM +1100, Cameron Horsburgh wrote:
> On Mon, Dec 25, 2006 at 05:06:20PM +0100, Manuel wrote:
> >
> > Am 25/12/2006 um 16:36 schrieb Geoff Horton:
> >
>
>
> How about "Don't worry about the accidentals. for now. We'll come to
> those in a moment."
>
Gah. Make tha
Hi Manuel,
Here's a couple of things I spotted:
You specify these values with a number after the name of the note:
"c1" will make a whole note (also called a minim); "d8" an eighth note
(or quaver), etc.
A minim is a half-note; a whole note is a semi-breve.
(Please note that this is not ne
On Mon, Dec 25, 2006 at 05:06:20PM +0100, Manuel wrote:
>
> Am 25/12/2006 um 16:36 schrieb Geoff Horton:
>
> >
> >>Don't worry just yet about the naturals. We'll come to it in a
> >>moment.
> >
> >It is not clear from the context what "it" refers to in the second
> >sentence.
>
> I'll try a
Pierre Abbat wrote:
On Monday 25 December 2006 10:36, Geoff Horton wrote:
It would be better to call them "brackets" or "braces" consistently,
rather than switching.
The curly ones {} are braces. The square ones [] are brackets. Greater-than
and less-than signs, when used to enclose s
All right, so I just changed all brackets back to braces, since they
are all curly.
Manuel
Am 25/12/2006 um 17:23 schrieb Pierre Abbat:
On Monday 25 December 2006 10:36, Geoff Horton wrote:
It would be better to call them "brackets" or "braces" consistently,
rather than switching.
The cur
Here is the latest, only I haven't yet a better expression to
substitute for "denomination".
Manuel
LilyPond's
Beginners Guide
for the
Absolute Beginner
(Mac OS X version)
Chapter One.
Open a new LilyPond window.
Then type this inside:
{ c' d' e' f' g' a' b' c' ' }
S
On Monday 25 December 2006 10:36, Geoff Horton wrote:
> It would be better to call them "brackets" or "braces" consistently,
> rather than switching.
The curly ones {} are braces. The square ones [] are brackets. Greater-than
and less-than signs, when used to enclose something , are called
broke
Am 25/12/2006 um 16:36 schrieb Geoff Horton:
If you are using a Mac, be glad and open a new LilyPond window.
I'm not quite sure what you're trying to say here, but "be glad and
open a new LilyPond window" is not a very idiomatic English
expression. Perhaps you meant, "please open a new LilyPo
In this section: If you're writing for native English speakers, I
would also teach the use of \include "english.ly" and use the English
notation for sharps and flats; I would venture to guess that most
amateur English-speaking musicians do not know what "is" and "es"
mean.
I might add that it's
If you are using a Mac, be glad and open a new LilyPond window.
I'm not quite sure what you're trying to say here, but "be glad and
open a new LilyPond window" is not a very idiomatic English
expression. Perhaps you meant, "please open a new LilyPond window"?
Then write this inside:
"type" i
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