> Vaughn Williams's Sea Symphony (finished in 1909) gives the horns no key
> signature.
In his second symphony (finished in 1914), he gives no key signature
to the horns or trumpets (both in F), but does give a key signature to
the cornets.
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lilypon
On Fri, Apr 27, 2012 at 11:50, Tim Reeves wrote:
> Holst First Suite for Military Band (in E flat) (1909) - written for four
> horns in E flat - those were common in early twentieth century bands - horn
> parts have no sharps or flats in key signature - nowadays the player would
> get a part that
Jonas Olson wrote on 04/27/2012 02:06:07 PM:
> From: Jonas Olson
> To: Tim Reeves
> Cc: lilypond-user@gnu.org
> Date: 04/27/2012 02:06 PM
> Subject: Re: Notation of french horn
>
> Interesting to see the variations that occur.
>
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Josiah Boothby writes:
> You're not far off, actually, and Wagner did this for his horns and
> trumpets (and Wagner tubas). He knew he was writing extraordinarily
> difficult horn parts for players who were playing technologically new
> instruments, and he knew that early adopters of the valves w
>>> That would be hilarious. I would pay you twenty-five cents to arrange
>>> the horn parts to, say, Tristan und Isolde so that each new fingering
>>> is notated as a crook change. I'd pay fifty cents if it was actually
>>> legible.
>> Wagner sometimes got close to this. Look at the first horn pa
Jay Anderson wrote:
> On Fri, Apr 27, 2012 at 12:31 PM, Josiah Boothby wrote:
>>
>> That would be hilarious. I would pay you twenty-five cents to arrange
>> the horn parts to, say, Tristan und Isolde so that each new fingering
>> is notated as a crook change. I'd pay fifty cents if it was actually
Interesting to see the variations that occur.
fre 2012-04-27 klockan 11:50 -0700 skrev Tim Reeves:
> Mozart horn concerto in D major (1791) - originally played on a
> natural horn with a D crook, so written with no key signature - the
> modern player playing on an F horn simply (!) transposes the
On Fri, Apr 27, 2012 at 12:31 PM, Josiah Boothby wrote:
>> When we switch over to valves, we no longer match the transposition of
>> the instrument to the key of the music, so it's only natural for other
>> key signatures to appear. To continue the tradition of valveless horns,
>> one would rather
On Fri, Apr 27, 2012 at 01:07, Jonas Olson wrote:
> On the valveless horn you change crooks to give the instrument a
> transposition that matches the music. That way, the music is always
> notated in C major (assuming major mode), just like how music sounding
> in B♭ major, played on a B♭ clarinet
On Fri, 27 Apr 2012 10:07:42 +0200
Jonas Olson wrote:
> Even though I do understand the nature of the valveless horn, I do not
> see why one omits the key signature today. Just tradition doesn't
> really explain it. Could someone clarify this? Here's how I
> understand it so far:
>
> On the valve
Josiah Boothby writes:
> On Tue, Apr 24, 2012 at 21:31, Helge Kruse wrote:
>> Thanks to all for the answer. I wasn't aware of the transposed notation
>> praxis for this instrument. So I think it will be best to write the actual
>> notes as they should appear on the sheet. This can make discussio
Even though I do understand the nature of the valveless horn, I do not
see why one omits the key signature today. Just tradition doesn't really
explain it. Could someone clarify this? Here's how I understand it so
far:
On the valveless horn you change crooks to give the instrument a
transposition
On Tue, Apr 24, 2012 at 15:44, Timothy Reeves wrote:
> I've played horn for a while (albeit for only a third of a century not a
> full half century ;) and I would say that while you *may* write it with no
> key signature and accidentals where needed, it is not expected by modern
> players, who ar
On Tue, Apr 24, 2012 at 21:31, Helge Kruse wrote:
> Thanks to all for the answer. I wasn't aware of the transposed notation
> praxis for this instrument. So I think it will be best to write the actual
> notes as they should appear on the sheet. This can make discussions with the
> performers easie
Helge said:
Hello,
>
> I am typesetting a concerto in G major. There are two brass instruments
> (french horns). I am was told that these staves should be written
> without key an without accidentals at the notes. I don't have neither
> experience with playing praxis of horns nor with notation f
Hej, Jonas
There are two brass instruments
(french horns). I am was told that these staves should be written
without key an without accidentals at the notes.
I think what you have in mind is the convention of not writing out a
_key signature_ (Vorzeichen?), but using _accidentals_
(Versetzungs
Am 25.04.2012 00:21, schrieb Tiresia GIUNO:
Unless you are writing for natural horn in G, the French Horn today
is the double horn in F-Bb.
You write it:
1. without Key Signature
2. with accidentals for each pitch
3. a FIFTH above the actual pitch ()
Alternatively you can write in C (i.e. the
>Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2012 15:13
> >To: lilypond-user@gnu.org
> >Subject: Notation of french horn
> >
> >Hello,
> >
> >I am typesetting a concerto in G major. There are two brass
> >instruments
> (french horns).
> Music before 20th century for
tis 2012-04-24 klockan 21:12 +0200 skrev Helge Kruse:
> There are two brass instruments
> (french horns). I am was told that these staves should be written
> without key an without accidentals at the notes.
I think what you have in mind is the convention of not writing out a
_key signature_ (Vor
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>Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2012 15:13
>To: lilypond-user@gnu.org
>Subject: Notation of french horn
Hello,
I am typesetting a concerto in G major. There are two brass instruments
(french horns). I am was told that these staves should be written
without key an without accidentals at the notes. I don't have neither
experience with playing praxis of horns nor with notation for this kind
of ins
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