Re: Sibelius Software UK office shuts down

Han-Wen Nienhuys-5 wrote: > > On Tue, Aug 7, 2012 at 1:50 AM, George_ wrote: > >>> I'm trying to explain that the constant factor (namely 8-fold) comes >>> at a tremendous cost. Writing multithreaded code without getting stuck >>> in race-conditions and deadlocks is extremely difficult and ti

Re: Sibelius Software UK office shuts down

On Tue, Aug 7, 2012 at 1:50 AM, George_ wrote: >> I'm trying to explain that the constant factor (namely 8-fold) comes >> at a tremendous cost. Writing multithreaded code without getting stuck >> in race-conditions and deadlocks is extremely difficult and time >> consuming, and lilypond already h

Re: Sibelius Software UK office shuts down

Han-Wen Nienhuys-5 wrote: > > On Mon, Aug 6, 2012 at 9:56 PM, George_ wrote: >> The reason this is important is because while IPC goes up incrementally >> and >> relatively slowly (IPC has done little more than double between 2005 [P4 >> 660] and now [i7 3930X]) and clock speed is relatively s

Re: Can anyone help to code what is in png.

MING TSANG writes: > I try to code per the png.   I don't know what it is call, therefore I > cannot search LSR. > > Help is appreciated. The LSR is just the second important reference. The most important reference is the notation manual, and it is ordered by topic. In this case, you would loo

Re: Sibelius Software UK office shuts down

On Mon, Aug 6, 2012 at 9:56 PM, George_ wrote: > The reason this is important is because while IPC goes up incrementally and > relatively slowly (IPC has done little more than double between 2005 [P4 > 660] and now [i7 3930X]) and clock speed is relatively stagnant (it's > unlikely we'll ever get

How to use clef "moderntab"

Greetings, You wrote ++ \new StaffGroup << \new Staff \symbols { \clef "bass_8" } \new TabStaff \symbols { \clef moderntab \set TabStaff.stringTunings = #bass-tuning } >> ++ From the Notation Reference - slightly e

Re: How to use clef "moderntab"

On 07/08/12 09:03, Ben Eichler wrote: /\new StaffGroup <>/ Move \symbols after the clef declaration: \version "2.15.42" symbols = { 1 } \new StaffGroup << \new Staff { \clef "bass_8" \symbols } \new TabStaff { \clef moderntab \set TabStaff.stringTu

Re: How to use clef "moderntab"

Ben, I am still a bit of a novice myself, but I think you want to do something like: \new StaffGroup << \new Staff { \clef "bass_8" \symbols } \new TabStaff { \clef moderntab \set TabStaff.stringTunings = #bas

Re: Sibelius Software UK office shuts down

Han-Wen Nienhuys-5 wrote: > > On Mon, Aug 6, 2012 at 6:53 PM, Joseph Rushton Wakeling > wrote: >> On 06/08/12 20:26, Han-Wen Nienhuys wrote: >>> >>> Also, going MT will give you a max 8x speedup (assuming perfect >>> parallelization on an 8 core machine). That is not going to bring down >>> pro

Re: Sibelius Software UK office shuts down

>> It's a possible sign that music -- the type many of us are involved in >> -- is losing in the greater culture war. It's not "LilyPond vs >> Sibelius vs Finale" but rather "Quality Music vs Cheap >> Entertainment." > > Uncompromising artistic discipline certainly has its pedagogical usefulness, >

How to use clef "moderntab"

Hi there, I'm a brand new user of Lilypond, just downloaded this morning! I'm using it to create more beautiful scores for my guitar and bass students. In the notation reference under section 2.4.1 Custom tablatures

Re: Sibelius Software UK office shuts down

On Mon, Aug 6, 2012 at 6:53 PM, Joseph Rushton Wakeling wrote: > On 06/08/12 20:26, Han-Wen Nienhuys wrote: >> >> Also, going MT will give you a max 8x speedup (assuming perfect >> parallelization on an 8 core machine). That is not going to bring down >> processing costs to interactive rates. > >

Re: Sibelius Software UK office shuts down

On 06/08/12 20:26, Han-Wen Nienhuys wrote: Also, going MT will give you a max 8x speedup (assuming perfect parallelization on an 8 core machine). That is not going to bring down processing costs to interactive rates. I think you're focusing on the wrong kind of architecture. _This_ is the kind

Re: Sibelius Software UK office shuts down

> Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2012 07:24:06 -0600 > From: Neil Thornock > To: han...@xs4all.nl > Cc: "m...@apollinemike.com" ,    > Lilypond-User >     > Subject: Re: Sibelius Software UK office shuts down > Message-ID: >     > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > >> It is easy to see how the

Re: Sibelius Software UK office shuts down

On Mon, Aug 6, 2012 at 2:57 PM, David Kastrup wrote: > Tim Roberts writes: > >> George_ wrote: >>> WRT (1): Someone in this thread suggested using individual threads to render >>> a bar at a time. The end result would be messy, but what if one or two >>> threads were dedicated to running 'behind'

Re: Sibelius Software UK office shuts down

On Mon, Aug 6, 2012 at 4:42 AM, Christ van Willegen wrote: > On Mon, Aug 6, 2012 at 5:04 AM, Han-Wen Nienhuys wrote: >> (I had a brief look at the file format years ago; the problem is that >> they run some sort of compression scheme over their data) > > What I'd do in cases like this is: > > - C

Re: Sibelius Software UK office shuts down

David Kastrup writes: > That makes my "copyright" red flags go up. Can you check back with > Kirill and possible other authors under which conditions you are > allowed to "share"? The plug-in and the postprocessor are both GPL. > We'll likely also have to check the conditions for > distributing

Re: Sibelius Software UK office shuts down

Tim Roberts wrote: > > George_ wrote: >> WRT (1): Someone in this thread suggested using individual threads to >> render >> a bar at a time. The end result would be messy, but what if one or two >> threads were dedicated to running 'behind' the main threads to clean up >> and >> knit together o

Re: Sibelius Software UK office shuts down

On Sun, Aug 5, 2012 at 8:10 PM, Han-Wen Nienhuys wrote: > On Thu, Aug 2, 2012 at 1:18 PM, Lucas Gonze wrote:> > Is it architecturally possible to make a significant amount of >> overhead go away? Are incremental compiles plausible? > > Architecturally it is very difficult. Rather than making lil

Re: Sibelius Software UK office shuts down

Tim Roberts writes: > George_ wrote: >> WRT (1): Someone in this thread suggested using individual threads to render >> a bar at a time. The end result would be messy, but what if one or two >> threads were dedicated to running 'behind' the main threads to clean up and >> knit together output? >

Re: Sibelius Software UK office shuts down

George_ wrote: > WRT (1): Someone in this thread suggested using individual threads to render > a bar at a time. The end result would be messy, but what if one or two > threads were dedicated to running 'behind' the main threads to clean up and > knit together output? Multithreading works well whe

Re: Sibelius Software UK office shuts down

> It is easy to see how these events could help lilypond long-term, but > it's also easy for any response from us to be interpreted negatively. > Let the Sibelius users have their personal moment of pain/mourning; if > they need open-source music notation, they will certainly be able to > find us

Re: Sibelius Software UK office shuts down

On 2012-08-06 04:04, Han-Wen Nienhuys wrote: It is worth reminding that by providing high-quality notation tools for free, both Musescore and LilyPond have been a contributing factor in both Sibelius' and Finale (see http://www.makemusic.com/Pressroom/Default.aspx?pid=555) current problems It is

Re: LilyPond developer&user meeting in Waltrop, August 24th to 28th

On 06/08/12 13:13, Janek Warchoł wrote: Good idea. I can write an email to them - is anyone opposed? I think Werner Schweer is based in Bielefeld, which if Google Maps is anything to go by is only a little over an hour's drive from Waltrop. ___ l

Re: LilyPond developer&user meeting in Waltrop, August 24th to 28th

On Mon, Aug 06, 2012 at 02:13:06PM +0200, Janek Warchoł wrote: > On Thu, Aug 2, 2012 at 6:13 PM, Joseph Rushton Wakeling > wrote: > > Just a suggestion, but given the recent news regarding Sibelius (cf. > > discussion on User list), why not drop a line to a couple of the main > > MuseScore develop

Re: LilyPond developer&user meeting in Waltrop, August 24th to 28th

On Thu, Aug 2, 2012 at 6:13 PM, Joseph Rushton Wakeling wrote: > Just a suggestion, but given the recent news regarding Sibelius (cf. > discussion on User list), why not drop a line to a couple of the main > MuseScore developers and as them if they'd like to come along? > > It would be a nice outr

user interaction with notation software

Hello, The other week I was talking with a couple of music people. Talking to Person A about upcoming concert programme, showing some choir musicsheets I typeset with Lilypond after A had groaned about sometimesless-than-perfect computer output. Person A was amazed about the clarity, well readabl

Re: Sibelius Software UK office shuts down

m...@mikesolomon.org wrote: > > On 5 août 2012, at 12:37, Joseph Rushton Wakeling > wrote: > >> On 02/08/12 17:51, Graham Percival wrote: >>> In short: if there is a concerted effort to create a "quick >>> render" output, I would be absolutely shocked if it wasn't at >>> least 10 times faster

Re: Sibelius Software UK office shuts down

On 06/08/12 04:10, Han-Wen Nienhuys wrote: Architecturally it is very difficult. Rather than making lilypond much more complicated to do incremental rendering, why not invert the problem: have your editor control line breaks, and use lilypond to render just one line of music at a time. Why is i

Re: Sibelius Software UK office shuts down

On 06/08/12 04:04, Han-Wen Nienhuys wrote: It is easy to see how these events could help lilypond long-term, but it's also easy for any response from us to be interpreted negatively. Let the Sibelius users have their personal moment of pain/mourning; if they need open-source music notation, they

Re: Sibelius Software UK office shuts down

- Original Message - From: "Han-Wen Nienhuys" To: "Joseph Rushton Wakeling" Cc: ; "Lilypond-User" Sent: Monday, August 06, 2012 4:04 AM Subject: Re: Sibelius Software UK office shuts down It would be nice if someone from the sibelius team came out and gave some hints about how the .s

Re: the new vertical spacing between systems syntax

- Original Message - From: To: Sent: Sunday, August 05, 2012 11:34 PM Subject: the new vertical spacing between systems syntax Concerning the examples in the manual, section 4.4.2: 4.4.2 Explicit staff and system positioning http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.14/Documentation/notation/e

Re: Turning a lilypond file into a Sibelius file

http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.15/Documentation/notation/midi-output should get you the basic notes and structure. -- Phil Holmes - Original Message - From: Warren Cohen To: lilypond-user@gnu.org Sent: Sunday, August 05, 2012 3:23 PM Subject: Turning a lilypond file into a Sibe

Re: Sibelius Software UK office shuts down

On Mon, Aug 6, 2012 at 5:04 AM, Han-Wen Nienhuys wrote: > (I had a brief look at the file format years ago; the problem is that > they run some sort of compression scheme over their data) What I'd do in cases like this is: - Create a 'score' with only a middle C1 in it - Same with a C2 - Same wi

Re: Sibelius Software UK office shuts down

Johan Vromans writes: > Han-Wen Nienhuys writes: > >> It would be nice if someone from the sibelius team came out and gave >> some hints about how the .sib format is structured. We could be of >> help by rescuing the years of work many users have stashed away as >> .sib files. >> >> (I had a br

Re: Sibelius Software UK office shuts down

Han-Wen Nienhuys writes: > It would be nice if someone from the sibelius team came out and gave > some hints about how the .sib format is structured. We could be of > help by rescuing the years of work many users have stashed away as > .sib files. > > (I had a brief look at the file format years