Re: new website draft 8: almost giving up

2009-08-12 Thread Jan Nieuwenhuizen
Op woensdag 12-08-2009 om 17:59 uur [tijdzone -0700], schreef Graham Percival: > It's not that; Jan thought you were objecting to having: > LilyPond is Free Software and part of the GNU project. > on the home page. > > Frankly, I'm still not conviced that's a good thing to add, so We need "fre

Re: website menus: gradient vs. solid

2009-08-12 Thread Herbert Niemeyer
Gradients These two images have the same top-level menu item selected. Which is easier to see? http://lilypond.org/~graham/solid.png http://lilypond.org/~graham/gradients.png ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.o

Re: website menus: gradient vs. solid

2009-08-12 Thread Andrew Hawryluk
On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 5:41 PM, Graham Percival wrote: > I'm not certain if the question was clear, so let's do this again > and put it to a vote. > > These two images have the same top-level menu item selected. > Which is easier to see? >  http://lilypond.org/~graham/solid.png >  http://lilypond.

Re: website menus: gradient vs. solid

2009-08-12 Thread Tim McNamara
On Aug 12, 2009, at 6:41 PM, Graham Percival wrote: I'm not certain if the question was clear, so let's do this again and put it to a vote. These two images have the same top-level menu item selected. Which is easier to see? http://lilypond.org/~graham/solid.png http://lilypond.org/~graham

Re: new website draft 8: almost giving up

2009-08-12 Thread Graham Percival
On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 06:39:20PM -0300, Han-Wen Nienhuys wrote: > On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 3:58 AM, Jan > Nieuwenhuizen wrote: > >> - GNU and (new) website can be trimmed from the title. > > > > We do not want to trim GNU.  Remember the long thread on devel, > > where even contributors did not rea

Re: new website non-git help

2009-08-12 Thread Graham Percival
On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 09:51:07AM -0400, Chris Snyder wrote: > Andrew Hawryluk wrote: > > Could we add a link in the first paragraph to the (upcoming) essay? > > Perhaps on the words "beautifully engraved music". The essay was a > > prominent feature of the previous web design, and says a lot abou

Re: website menus: gradient vs. solid

2009-08-12 Thread Kieren MacMillan
Hi Graham, These two images have the same top-level menu item selected. Which is easier to see? http://lilypond.org/~graham/solid.png http://lilypond.org/~graham/gradients.png Solid. Please DO NOT complain that brown gradients doesn't fit the color scheme; changing the colors (either of

website menus: gradient vs. solid

2009-08-12 Thread Graham Percival
I'm not certain if the question was clear, so let's do this again and put it to a vote. These two images have the same top-level menu item selected. Which is easier to see? http://lilypond.org/~graham/solid.png http://lilypond.org/~graham/gradients.png (ok, the background to the lily icon

Re: fingering orientation problem

2009-08-12 Thread Michel Villeneuve
I understood. By searching "lilypond fingering" in Google I found the 2.9 doc page about fingering. The 2.12 doc page on this subject is enough detailed for me (beginner point of view who managed this evening to put fingering indications in the right place). Thank you very much for you help. --

Re: fingering orientation problem

2009-08-12 Thread Trevor Daniels
Nick Payne wrote Wednesday, August 12, 2009 9:59 PM Yes, the <> construct around the note is needed. If you just have e-4 e^4 e_4, all three fingerings will appear above the notes. You need . ^ and _ also work with articulations and slurs and ties. It's briefly mentioned in s.2.2.3 of th

Re: fingering orientation problem

2009-08-12 Thread Graham Percival
On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 06:59:01AM +1000, Nick Payne wrote: > Yes, the <> construct around the note is needed. If you just have e-4 e^4 e_4, > all three fingerings will appear above the notes. Really? That's odd, apparently 2.13.2 is broken. { c'4^3 c_2 } gives me a 2 below the staff. Cheers,

Re: new website draft 8: almost giving up

2009-08-12 Thread Joseph Wakeling
Han-Wen Nienhuys wrote: > On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 3:58 AM, Jan > Nieuwenhuizen wrote: >>> - GNU and (new) website can be trimmed from the title. >> We do not want to trim GNU. Remember the long thread on devel, >> where even contributors did not realise we are GNU, or ever heard of it? > > Whom i

Re: fingering orientation problem

2009-08-12 Thread Graham Percival
On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 01:09:59PM -0500, Jonathan Kulp wrote: > > Is the use of _ and ^ with fingerings documented anywhere? I don't remember > seeing this. It's certainly easier than using the chord angle brackets. " Fingering instructions may be manually placed above or below the staff, see D

Re: new website draft 8: almost giving up

2009-08-12 Thread Han-Wen Nienhuys
On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 3:58 AM, Jan Nieuwenhuizen wrote: >> - GNU and (new) website can be trimmed from the title. > > We do not want to trim GNU.  Remember the long thread on devel, > where even contributors did not realise we are GNU, or ever heard of it? Whom is this site for? Are we trying t

RE: fingering orientation problem

2009-08-12 Thread Nick Payne
Yes, the <> construct around the note is needed. If you just have e-4 e^4 e_4, all three fingerings will appear above the notes. You need . ^ and _ also work with articulations and slurs and ties. It's briefly mentioned in s.2.2.3 of the LM as working for articulations and fingerings. Ni

Re: new website draft 8: almost giving up

2009-08-12 Thread Jan Nieuwenhuizen
Op woensdag 12-08-2009 om 15:29 uur [tijdzone +0200], schreef Jan Nieuwenhuizen: > I just pushed a couple of build and translation-infrastructure > fixes for the new site > >http://lilypond.org/~janneke/lilypond.org Now the essay.tely also works, I added a link to test it...but ...what happe

Re: problems with learning lilypond

2009-08-12 Thread Mark Polesky
James E. Bailey wrote: > Surely the calculations can be performed outside of lilypond, > and then simply input into lilypond for a score, right? Or am I > missing something? Sure, but scheme can greatly facilitate things. I should clarify that algorithmic music hardly represents the bulk of my Lil

Re: new website draft 8: almost giving up

2009-08-12 Thread Patrick Horgan
Definitely like alternative style 1 ( the green ) better. Patrick ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user

Re: problems with learning lilypond

2009-08-12 Thread James E. Bailey
On 12.08.2009, at 19:33, Mark Polesky wrote: James E. Bailey wrote: Personally, I think this is an area where knowing too much gets in the way. I, for example, have no clue about Scheme. Scheme is, as far as I'm concerned, what other people do to save typing. In fact, I'm of the opinion that

Re: problems with learning lilypond

2009-08-12 Thread James E. Bailey
On 12.08.2009, at 20:41, Mark Polesky wrote: James E. Bailey wrote: Really? What can't you do without Scheme? Algorithmic music. - Mark Surely the calculations can be performed outside of lilypond, and then simply input into lilypond for a score, right? Or am I missing something? Jam

Re: problems with learning lilypond

2009-08-12 Thread Mark Polesky
James E. Bailey wrote: > Really? What can't you do without Scheme? Algorithmic music. - Mark ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user

Re: fingering orientation problem

2009-08-12 Thread Jonathan Kulp
On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 1:09 PM, Jonathan Kulp wrote: > > > On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 12:37 PM, Mark Knoop wrote: > >> At 18:50 on 12 Aug 2009, michel.villene...@gmail.com wrote: >> > I don't understand why the fingering indications are up and not >> > "down" because I specified it by : \set finger

Re: fingering orientation problem

2009-08-12 Thread Jonathan Kulp
On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 12:37 PM, Mark Knoop wrote: > At 18:50 on 12 Aug 2009, michel.villene...@gmail.com wrote: > > I don't understand why the fingering indications are up and not > > "down" because I specified it by : \set fingeringOrientations = > > #'(down) Sorry if it's a stupid question bu

Re: fingering orientation problem

2009-08-12 Thread Jonathan Kulp
For fingering orientation to take effect, you have to put the note inside a chord construct <>. I thought we had added a warning about this. Here's what it should look like: \set fingeringOrientations = #'(down) 4 Ok I've just added this warning about the chord construct requirement to the

Re: fingering orientation problem

2009-08-12 Thread Mark Knoop
At 18:50 on 12 Aug 2009, michel.villene...@gmail.com wrote: > I don't understand why the fingering indications are up and not > "down" because I specified it by : \set fingeringOrientations = > #'(down) Sorry if it's a stupid question but I can't see where is my > mistake. \set fingeringOrientatio

Re: problems with learning lilypond

2009-08-12 Thread Mark Polesky
James E. Bailey wrote: > Personally, I think this is an area where knowing too much gets in the > way. I, for example, have no clue about Scheme. Scheme is, as far as > I'm concerned, what other people do to save typing. In fact, I'm of > the opinion that there's no need to use Scheme, it's just th

Re: staves with example notes, ancient and modern

2009-08-12 Thread James E. Bailey
On 12.08.2009, at 16:55, denis.roe...@loria.fr wrote: Yes, thank you! This is almost what I want. Can I also put the instrument information on several lines, for instance mensural notation ? Thanks again, Denis Yes you can. Instrument names support markup text, which can be set in

Re: problems with learning lilypond

2009-08-12 Thread James E. Bailey
On 12.08.2009, at 12:26, Simon Mackenzie wrote: Yeah it's proving to be an interesting learning experience trying to wrap my head around Lilypond. I feel it is like a multi-headed beast with Scheme & Lilypond script intermingled together. It makes for an interesting mix to get ones head ar

fingering orientation problem

2009-08-12 Thread michel . villeneuve
fingering down.ly Description: Binary data ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user

Re: new website draft 8: almost giving up

2009-08-12 Thread Joseph Wakeling
Graham Percival wrote: > Make sure you check out the alternate CSS style #2. This has > fancy gradient-shaded menu bars, which could be a great hit. It's > /much/ easier to see which item you have selected. If you like > it, make sure you let us know, so that it can be added to the > default lay

Re: Fwd: staves with example notes, ancient and modern

2009-08-12 Thread Denis . Roegel
Quoting Marek Klein : Hi, something like this? \version "2.13.2" pattern = { \cadenzaOn e'4 e'2. e'1 e'\breve e'\longa \bar "|" } pmensural = { \set fontSize = #6 \override NoteHead #'style = #'mensural \pattern } \score { << \new Staff { \override Staff.InstrumentName #'sel

Fwd: staves with example notes, ancient and modern

2009-08-12 Thread Marek Klein
Hi, something like this? \version "2.13.2" pattern = { \cadenzaOn e'4 e'2. e'1 e'\breve e'\longa \bar "|" } pmensural = { \set fontSize = #6 \override NoteHead #'style = #'mensural \pattern } \score { << \new Staff { \override Staff.InstrumentName #'self-alignment-X = #LEFT

Re: new website non-git help

2009-08-12 Thread Chris Snyder
Andrew Hawryluk wrote: > Could we add a link in the first paragraph to the (upcoming) essay? > Perhaps on the words "beautifully engraved music". The essay was a > prominent feature of the previous web design, and says a lot about the > attention to detail that goes into LilyPond. I'd like to see

Re: new website draft 8: almost giving up

2009-08-12 Thread Chris Snyder
Bertalan Fodor (LilyPondTool) wrote: >> IMO, such a page is best reserved until people have a little bit >> of experience with lilypond. > Which will be a quite bad experience without a decent editing > environment... I agree with Bertalan. Editing environments are great to help people get up to s

Re: new website draft 8: almost giving up

2009-08-12 Thread Jan Nieuwenhuizen
Op dinsdag 11-08-2009 om 03:49 uur [tijdzone -0700], schreef Graham Percival: > http://lilypond.org/~graham/ Thanks! > Most of the people who have been working on the website, including > me, are fed up with it. > If you feel at all > enthusiastic about the new website, please consider helpin

Re: staves with example notes, ancient and modern

2009-08-12 Thread Denis . Roegel
I would like to reproduce the first two staves of the section "Note values" on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mensural_notation, with the label on the left. That is, I am trying to make Modern ... staff ... notation (possibly with the note names) White notation ... staff ...

Re: problems with learning lilypond

2009-08-12 Thread Carl Sorensen
David, Thanks for your comments, and for thinking carefully about your LilyPond use. I'm not sure exactly what you hoped to have happen as a result of this post, so it's difficult for me to respond. However, I do feel like I need to clear up one point you made: On 8/11/09 7:37 PM, "David Fedor

Re: problems with learning lilypond

2009-08-12 Thread Simon Mackenzie
Yeah it's proving to be an interesting learning experience trying to wrap my head around Lilypond. I feel it is like a multi-headed beast with Scheme & Lilypond script intermingled together. It makes for an interesting mix to get ones head around. The manuals are helpful but there are hugh

Re: problems with learning lilypond

2009-08-12 Thread Werner LEMBERG
> One other thing, much of the time I have questions, but do not know > how to ask the question. That is extremely frustrating and I don't > know if there is anything you can do about it. Sometimes i just > don't know the correct terminology to use. Many things that are > assumed when you are play

Re: new website draft 8: almost giving up

2009-08-12 Thread Graham Percival
On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 09:07:20AM +0100, Mark Knoop wrote: > At 20:43 on 11 Aug 2009, Graham Percival wrote: > > Done; I changed it to "LilyPond... music notation for everyone". > > It's still in the page title: > > LilyPond... music notation for everyone: GNU LilyPond — > Website Ick. Ok, I'v

Re: new website non-git help

2009-08-12 Thread Trevor Daniels
Graham Percival wrote Wednesday, August 12, 2009 4:27 AM 4) I really want to have a "return to first page in this section" link. Currently that's called (main), which is a name that nobody likes. Find an alternate name for this, which ideally isn't very long. (otherwise the Manuals 2nd menu

Re: new website draft 8: almost giving up

2009-08-12 Thread Mark Knoop
At 20:43 on 11 Aug 2009, Graham Percival wrote: > On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 10:12:58PM -0300, Han-Wen Nienhuys wrote: > > - GNU and (new) website can be trimmed from the title. > > Done; I changed it to "LilyPond... music notation for everyone". It's still in the page title: LilyPond... music nota

Re: new website draft 8: almost giving up

2009-08-12 Thread Bertalan Fodor (LilyPondTool)
Graham Percival wrote: On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 10:55:52AM -0400, Chris Snyder wrote: Graham Percival wrote: hey, that's life in open-source projects! If you feel at all enthusiastic about the new website, please consider helping. I'd like to help, though I realize it's quite la

Re: setting notes alone

2009-08-12 Thread MonAmiPierrot
Carl Sorensen-3 wrote: > > > > Is there a reason why you can't use lilypond-book? That's the best way I > know of to combind LilyPond with LaTeX. > > > It is. But I use LyX, which simplifies almost every LaTeX operation, it only makes difficoult - if not impossible - to use third-party m

Re: new website non-git help

2009-08-12 Thread Marek Klein
Hi, I also do like the new web, thank you all! 2009/8/12 Graham Percival > > 1) The current Introduction->Features and Introduction->Examples > pages are intended to condense three pages from the old site. One > -user reader looked through them and said that the new page looks > fine, but I'd