Re: spacing problem

2008-08-12 Thread James E. Bailey
Am 13.08.2008 um 08:17 schrieb Werner LEMBERG: I am not sure if you should use durations rather than dottedness. Should a dotted 64th need a lot of space to accomodate for the dot, or should it be treated like a very short note? A dotted, beamed note gets automatically more horizontal space

Re: spacing problem

2008-08-12 Thread Werner LEMBERG
> > Isn't this too small in tight situations? Note heads might > > (almost) touch... > > In tight situations, the rods take over the spacing. I think there > is a small threshold that makes sure they don't touch. Where shall I look? BTW, is there a documentation how rods and springs interact?

Re: Second review of NR 2.7 Chords

2008-08-12 Thread Carl D. Sorensen
On 8/12/08 10:08 PM, "Patrick McCarty" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sat, Aug 9, 2008 at 7:51 PM, Carl D. Sorensen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> We are pleased to announce the second review of NR 2.7 Chords. >> >> Thank you to those who reviewed this section in its previous draft. All of >>

Re: GDP -- Revised second draft of Fretted strings

2008-08-12 Thread Patrick McCarty
On Sat, Aug 9, 2008 at 4:49 PM, Carl D. Sorensen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Dear Lilypond Users and Developers, > > We're pleased to announce a revised second draft of NR 2.4 Fretted strings. > > This draft includes the new predefined-fretboards functionality that enables > transposable guitar fr

Re: Second review of NR 2.7 Chords

2008-08-12 Thread Patrick McCarty
On Sat, Aug 9, 2008 at 7:51 PM, Carl D. Sorensen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > We are pleased to announce the second review of NR 2.7 Chords. > > Thank you to those who reviewed this section in its previous draft. All of > the recommended changes have been made, and we believe that this section is

Re: [PATCH] Re: Duration dots and Bar lines on custom Staves.

2008-08-12 Thread Han-Wen Nienhuys
On Tue, Aug 12, 2008 at 6:15 PM, Neil Puttock <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Staff_symbol_referencer::on_staff_line (). Can I junk the redundant > functions? yes. -- Han-Wen Nienhuys - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://www.xs4all.nl/~hanwen ___ lilypond-use

Re: spacing problem

2008-08-12 Thread Han-Wen Nienhuys
On Tue, Aug 12, 2008 at 5:26 PM, Werner LEMBERG <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> You're looking for whatever goes into the 2nd argument of the Spring >> constructor. > > Hmm. In file note-spacing.cc, function Note_Spacing::get_spacing, > which is used in Spacing_Spanner::musical_column_spacing, I se

Re: Still confused about context vs. new

2008-08-12 Thread Carl Sorensen
chubb.wattle.id.au> writes: > > > I personally have *never* needed to use \new. > > \context implicitly instantiates a new context if the > one named doesn't yet exist, so \new is redundant, *except* where you > want multiple distinct contexts with the same name, or you're using > unnamed c

Re: Please forget LM MG NR IR SL AU

2008-08-12 Thread Valentin Villenave
2008/8/13 Graham Percival <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Then you need to RTFML. Especially things from me. :) - Graham Nah, I decided to skip all these months ago -- actually from the day you referred to me as a Callifornia Valley Girl :-) As a matter of fact, I've even configured a mail filter whic

Re: \textLengthOn - choosing which note to lengthen

2008-08-12 Thread Trevor Daniels
Chris Snyder wrote Tuesday, August 12, 2008 7:12 PM I'm running into a situation where \textLengthOn isn't behaving like I would expect it to. I have an organ piece where I'd like to put some text between the staves for the manuals. The text is a bit too long, however, so it hits the barline

Re: Comments on Learning Manual 3 -- Fundamental concepts

2008-08-12 Thread Trevor Daniels
Robin Bannister wrote Tuesday, August 12, 2008 9:56 PM Statistics for NR (pdf dated 2008-08-09, only slightly stale): A: 21 hits for "\context Staff" B: 14 hits for "\context { \Staff" Or is it that I'm talking about A, and you are talking about B? Yes, or more to the point, the Learning

Re: [PATCH] Re: Duration dots and Bar lines on custom Staves.

2008-08-12 Thread Joe Neeman
On Tue, 2008-08-12 at 22:15 +0100, Neil Puttock wrote: > 2008/8/12 Joe Neeman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > I would say that the second case should just be false. Unless 'me' is a > > staff symbol, you should not call Staff_symbol::on_line(me). And if 'me' > > is a staff symbol, it is not a staff sym

Re: Comments on Learning Manual 3 -- Fundamental concepts

2008-08-12 Thread Trevor Daniels
Robin Bannister wrote Tuesday, August 12, 2008 10:36 PM Robin Bannister wrote A: 21 hits for "\context Staff" B: 14 hits for "\context { \Staff" I think I get it now. Yup - you got it. It must be that "\context" is overloaded, does two quite different things. Upon meeting a "\con

Re: Please forget LM MG NR IR SL AU

2008-08-12 Thread Graham Percival
On Wed, 13 Aug 2008 00:07:51 +0200 "Valentin Villenave" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Except for very rare cases (some questions about MacOS10.5, I think), > I haven't seen /any/ one-line RTFM answer on any of these lists for > months years. Then you need to RTFML. Especially things from me. :)

Re: Please forget LM MG NR IR SL AU

2008-08-12 Thread Patrick Horgan
Ralph Palmer wrote: Anyone else remember Booker T. and the . . . ? In any case, it might make sense to use at least some of the acronyms judiciously. There is a wide variety of users on this list, and many of the discussions are, while not exclusive, at least aimed at a particular audience. I

Re: Please forget LM MG NR IR SL AU

2008-08-12 Thread Valentin Villenave
2008/8/12 Patrick Horgan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > I agree only because it gives the appearance of a hostile atmosphere on the > lilypond user's list which I know is not the truth. A one line RTFM answer > is not good communication. Except for very rare cases (some questions about MacOS10.5, I thin

Re: Expert question on named contexts

2008-08-12 Thread Neil Puttock
2008/8/10 Trevor Daniels <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > There may be better ways, but this works, and is adequate > for experimentation: Thanks for this, Trevor; it's easier to see what's going on than using \displayMusic. I noticed something strange going on when using \addlyrics; perhaps it should be

Re: Please forget LM MG NR IR SL AU

2008-08-12 Thread Patrick Horgan
Bertalan Fodor (LilyPondTool) wrote: I must note however that I strongly disagree with the approach "you must read the manual first". Honestly, when you buy an house-hold appliance you first read the manual? I doubt. For making the first cup of coffee you won't read the manual. Later, when you

Re: Augmentation dot problem in 2.11.55

2008-08-12 Thread Patrick McCarty
On Tue, Aug 12, 2008 at 2:29 PM, Patrick Horgan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Using yesterday's git-pull I see the same problem on Ubuntu 8.04. > > > Today's git-pull is the same, I still see the same problem rendering. Neil is almost ready to push this fix, so it is not yet in git. -Patrick _

Re: Comments on Learning Manual 3 -- Fundamental concepts

2008-08-12 Thread Robin Bannister
Robin Bannister wrote A: 21 hits for "\context Staff" B: 14 hits for "\context { \Staff" I think I get it now. It must be that "\context" is overloaded, does two quite different things. Upon meeting a "\context" you must categorise it as A or B. The uninitiated attach no particular sig

Re: Augmentation dot problem in 2.11.55

2008-08-12 Thread Patrick Horgan
Jay Anderson wrote: Strange I'm seeing the same problem with this example. I've tested on Ubuntu 8.04 which should have the same install as fedora and on osx 10.4 PPC. I'm not sure what would be causing this if the same install produces normal output for some people and not for others. Are o

Re: [PATCH] Re: Duration dots and Bar lines on custom Staves.

2008-08-12 Thread Neil Puttock
2008/8/12 Joe Neeman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > I would say that the second case should just be false. Unless 'me' is a > staff symbol, you should not call Staff_symbol::on_line(me). And if 'me' > is a staff symbol, it is not a staff symbol referencer, so no one should > be calling Staff_symbol_refere

Re: Comments on Learning Manual 3 -- Fundamental concepts

2008-08-12 Thread Robin Bannister
Trevor Daniels wrote Thanks, Robin Well, you're welcome. Glad to be of some use. But also disappointed, because I thought I had understood something (from reading the manual!), and now it seems I hadn't. Statistics for NR (pdf dated 2008-08-09, only slightly stale): A: 21 hits for "\co

Re: Please forget LM MG NR IR SL AU

2008-08-12 Thread Dominic Neumann
Sure, that´s right! 2008/8/12 Ralph Palmer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > I agree, Dominic. It wasn't intended to be insular. On the other hand, when > someone is responding to a question about Scheme or about "deep" (I don't > even know the correct term) code, I don't see how one can, or if one should >

Re: Comments on Learning Manual 3 -- Fundamental concepts

2008-08-12 Thread Trevor Daniels
Mats Bengtsson wrote Robin Bannister wrote: Trevor Daniels wrote I learned you can have digits in context names! --- as long as the names are in quotation marks. which I regard as slightly more confirmation of my fragile suspicion that in (the current GDP) Learning Manual 3.1.1 - In summar

Re: Please forget LM MG NR IR SL AU

2008-08-12 Thread Ralph Palmer
I agree, Dominic. It wasn't intended to be insular. On the other hand, when someone is responding to a question about Scheme or about "deep" (I don't even know the correct term) code, I don't see how one can, or if one should try to, make the discussion intelligible to a newbie. Ralph On Tue, Aug

Re: spacing problem

2008-08-12 Thread Werner LEMBERG
> > I can't see anything in this file which influences the minimum > > value of a note's fixed-length part. get_duration_space() is > > obviously not what I'm looking for; it rather produces a default > > value which can still be squeezed by a spring, right? > > You're looking for whatever goes i

Re: Please forget LM MG NR IR SL AU

2008-08-12 Thread Dominic Neumann
2008/8/12 Ralph Palmer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Anyone else remember Booker T. and the . . . ? > > In any case, it might make sense to use at least some of the acronyms > judiciously. There is a wide variety of users on this list, and many of the > discussions are, while not exclusive, at least aimed

Re: Comments on Learning Manual 3 -- Fundamental concepts

2008-08-12 Thread Mats Bengtsson
Robin Bannister wrote: Trevor Daniels wrote I learned you can have digits in context names! --- as long as the names are in quotation marks. which I regard as slightly more confirmation of my fragile suspicion that in (the current GDP) Learning Manual 3.1.1 - In summary there shouldn't be

Re: Please forget LM MG NR IR SL AU

2008-08-12 Thread Ralph Palmer
Anyone else remember Booker T. and the . . . ? In any case, it might make sense to use at least some of the acronyms judiciously. There is a wide variety of users on this list, and many of the discussions are, while not exclusive, at least aimed at a particular audience. I don't see why it wouldn'

Re: Please forget LM MG NR IR SL AU

2008-08-12 Thread Han-Wen Nienhuys
Actually, MG is a state of brazil, to me. On Tue, Aug 12, 2008 at 3:08 PM, James E. Bailey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > no, AU is audio unit. It's a type of plugin for core audio on macintosh > computers. > > And am I the only one who thinks of cars seeing MG? > > -- Han-Wen Nienhuys - [EMAIL P

Re: Comments on Learning Manual 3 -- Fundamental concepts

2008-08-12 Thread Robin Bannister
Trevor Daniels wrote I learned you can have digits in context names! --- as long as the names are in quotation marks. which I regard as slightly more confirmation of my fragile suspicion that in (the current GDP) Learning Manual 3.1.1 - In summary there shouldn't be a backslash in front of

Re: Please forget LM MG NR IR SL AU

2008-08-12 Thread Valentin Villenave
2008/8/12 Nicholas Wastell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > If you don't like the rtfm questions, don't answer them. There are, > fortunately, some folks on the list with an ounce of patience and good > manners. Graham will probably not answer that, but... if you had been following discussions on -user

\textLengthOn - choosing which note to lengthen

2008-08-12 Thread Chris Snyder
I'm running into a situation where \textLengthOn isn't behaving like I would expect it to. I have an organ piece where I'd like to put some text between the staves for the manuals. The text is a bit too long, however, so it hits the barline. Adding \textLengthOn seems to be the right solution.

Re: Please forget LM MG NR IR SL AU

2008-08-12 Thread James E. Bailey
no, AU is audio unit. It's a type of plugin for core audio on macintosh computers. And am I the only one who thinks of cars seeing MG? Am 12.08.2008 um 19:43 schrieb Tomas Valusek: Hello, BTW, AU is what? An Astronomical Unit??? IR is commonly recognized is InfraRed :-))) IMHO there shou

Re: Please forget LM MG NR IR SL AU

2008-08-12 Thread Tomas Valusek
Hello, BTW, AU is what? An Astronomical Unit??? IR is commonly recognized is InfraRed :-))) IMHO there should be some sort of FAQ :-))) And in the end - PCMCIA (People Can't Memorize Computer Industry Acronyms) ... :-))) Tomas Valusek Valentin Villenave napsal(a): 2008/8/11 Bertalan Fodor (

Re: Please forget LM MG NR IR SL AU

2008-08-12 Thread Nicholas Wastell
On Mon, 11 Aug 2008 14:00:51 -0700 Graham Percival <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Having spent well over a hundred hours on such [stupid, newbie rtfm] > idiodicies in the past four years, I have no patience left for them. Well, you don't say. I've no doubt you've done the Lilypond project a great

Re: Comments on Learning Manual 3 -- Fundamental concepts

2008-08-12 Thread Trevor Daniels
John Mandereau wrote Tuesday, August 12, 2008 5:42 PM 2008/8/10 Trevor Daniels <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: Absolutely. When the LM was written the appropriate sections in the NR did not exist, or at least the headings were expected to change. Now the headings have stabilised (more or less) the refs c

Re: Comments on Learning Manual 3 -- Fundamental concepts

2008-08-12 Thread John Mandereau
2008/8/11 Graham Percival <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > On Sat, 9 Aug 2008 23:54:44 +0200 > "Valentin Villenave" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Actually, this is a Johnism (I don't know why he keeps asking us to >> remove parentheses). > > Parentheses are discouraged in highly formal writing, but they add

Re: Comments on Learning Manual 3 -- Fundamental concepts

2008-08-12 Thread John Mandereau
2008/8/10 Trevor Daniels <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Absolutely. When the LM was written the appropriate sections in the > NR did not exist, or at least the headings were expected to change. > Now the headings have stabilised (more or less) the refs can be added. > > Could you please make a new patch,

Re: spacing problem

2008-08-12 Thread Han-Wen Nienhuys
You're looking for whatever goes into the 2nd argument of the Spring constructor. On Tue, Aug 12, 2008 at 1:17 PM, Werner LEMBERG <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> > You mean a factor for base_note_space (at least this is what I >> > understand at looking at this code)? What about making it >> > conf

Re: spacing problem

2008-08-12 Thread Werner LEMBERG
> > You mean a factor for base_note_space (at least this is what I > > understand at looking at this code)? What about making it > > configurable? > > It already is to some extent; look at lily/spacing-options.cc I can't see anything in this file which influences the minimum value of a note's fi

Re: GDP -- Revised second draft of Fretted strings

2008-08-12 Thread Carl D. Sorensen
Thanks, Trevor. Custom Tablatures was a section that I didn't edit; my contributions were limited to the Fret Diagrams section. Jonathan, as I worked on the FretBoards material, I came to understand the fret assignment algorithm a bit. Would you like me to take on this section, or would you pref

Re: spacing problem

2008-08-12 Thread Han-Wen Nienhuys
On Tue, Aug 12, 2008 at 6:33 AM, Werner LEMBERG <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> > It's not specific to dotted notes but to notes which have longer >> > durations, and which get squeezed far too much -- the same problem >> > occurs for, say, half notes and whole notes. I simply want to >> > control t

Re: GDP -- Revised second draft of Fretted strings

2008-08-12 Thread Trevor Daniels
Hi again Carl Another major addition! The new fretboard additions are very impressive! All very clearly and concisely written except for one paragraph, which just confused me: 2.4.1.4 Custom tablatures I found the first paragraph less than clear, maybe because I'm not familiar with tablature.

Re: spacing problem

2008-08-12 Thread Werner LEMBERG
> > It's not specific to dotted notes but to notes which have longer > > durations, and which get squeezed far too much -- the same problem > > occurs for, say, half notes and whole notes. I simply want to > > control these squeezing values globally. > > The spacing is controlled by 2 values in t

Re: How to add double barlines to a gregorian chant?

2008-08-12 Thread Dominic Neumann
Okay, I´ll try to play around with different versions. In the current case that´s not such a problem for me, because there are some chants I have to produce NOW and they have to look good. After that I probably won´t use gregorian chant that soon. Dominic 2008/8/12 Kurt Kroon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: