Wanting to do a GUI, looking for BNF, which FM should I be looking for?

2008-12-05 Thread Danalute
Willing to download, unroll, and RTFM, just, dont know where to start, a clue or two would be appreciated. Does the LY doc package include a specification for the language? BNF or whatever? Kinda need something like that to hope of making a GUI for it. -- View this message in context: http:

Re: Fwd: one big page refers to itself

2008-12-05 Thread -Eluze
Francisco Vila-5 wrote: > > Hello, I've fixed and tested this in html NR. Looks good? > sorry, i don't know how to test or even if i can… but i am even more sorry to tell you i found that the same "error" is also present in the IR and LM! hope this is not causing to much trouble! thanks -

Re: Wanting to do a GUI, looking for BNF, which FM should I be looking for?

2008-12-05 Thread Bertalan Fodor (LilyPondTool)
1. You can't fully parse LilyPond without actually running LilyPond. At least you need a Scheme parser. 2. You should use the lexer.ll and parser.yy files for creating you own parser. Danalute wrote: Willing to download, unroll, and RTFM, just, dont know where to start, a clue or two would b

Re: Fwd: one big page refers to itself

2008-12-05 Thread Francisco Vila
2008/12/4 -Eluze <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > Francisco Vila-5 wrote: >> >> Hello, I've fixed and tested this in html NR. Looks good? >> > > sorry, i don't know how to test or even if i can… Well, it was targeted to the devel team and I CC-ed to you. > > but i am even more sorry to tell you i found

Re: removing tex backend?

2008-12-05 Thread Werner LEMBERG
> It seems that the TeX backend should be removed completely now, > since fonts are no longer available. Objections? Since noone has objected I'm going to do this soon. BTW, the same seems to be true for the `texstr' backend. I know, I know, it was me who insisted on having this, but now lilyp

high-quality typesetting within lilypond

2008-12-05 Thread Werner LEMBERG
I wonder how we are going to get high-quality typesetting within lilypond. This is a fundamental question: I think we shouldn't extend lilypond so that it is contains a complete typesetting engine; instead, we should rather look for alternatives. I see two possibilities. . We come to the conc

Re: lilypond-book DVI to PDF problems

2008-12-05 Thread Werner LEMBERG
[pdflatex vs. latex + dvipdfmx] > To summarize, could you show a practical example where your cases > would be a problem? Consider this simple Russian input: \documentclass{article} \usepackage[utf8]{inputenc} \usepackage[T2A]{fontenc} \begin{document} тест \end{document} pd

Re: high-quality typesetting within lilypond

2008-12-05 Thread Reinhold Kainhofer
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Am Freitag, 5. Dezember 2008 schrieb Werner LEMBERG: > I wonder how we are going to get high-quality typesetting within > lilypond. This is a fundamental question: I think we shouldn't extend > lilypond so that it is contains a complete typesetting en

Re: Wanting to do a GUI, looking for BNF, which FM should I be looking for?

2008-12-05 Thread Carl D. Sorensen
On 12/3/08 6:33 PM, "Danalute" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Willing to download, unroll, and RTFM, just, dont know where to start, a clue > or two would be appreciated. > > Does the LY doc package include a specification for the language? BNF or > whatever? > > Kinda need something lik

Re: high-quality typesetting within lilypond

2008-12-05 Thread Till Rettig
Werner LEMBERG schrieb: I wonder how we are going to get high-quality typesetting within lilypond. This is a fundamental question: I think we shouldn't extend lilypond so that it is contains a complete typesetting engine; instead, we should rather look for alternatives. I see two possibilities.

Re: high-quality typesetting within lilypond

2008-12-05 Thread Werner LEMBERG
> For example, look at the documentation of OrchestralLily: > http://kainhofer.com/orchestrallily/orchestrallily.pdf > http://kainhofer.com/orchestrallily/A-simple-example.html#A-simple-example > > The example on p.4 (displayed number; 8th page of the pdf) of the > PDF has absolutely terrible ver

Re: high-quality typesetting within lilypond

2008-12-05 Thread Han-Wen Nienhuys
On Fri, Dec 5, 2008 at 8:58 AM, Werner LEMBERG <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > . We come to the conclusion that rendering with Pango is sufficient; >in case there are still deficiencies we should improve interaction >with Pango or ask the Pango people to implement what we need. If >someo

Re: removing tex backend?

2008-12-05 Thread Han-Wen Nienhuys
On Fri, Dec 5, 2008 at 8:55 AM, Werner LEMBERG <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> It seems that the TeX backend should be removed completely now, >> since fonts are no longer available. Objections? > > Since noone has objected I'm going to do this soon. > > BTW, the same seems to be true for the `tex

Re: high-quality typesetting within lilypond

2008-12-05 Thread Werner LEMBERG
> If we improve the deficiencies of Pango, there are many more > applications that will benefit from this. Well, `we' should report such issues again and again to the Pango team :-) For example, does Pango support TeX's paragraph handling algorithm which is still the best available, AFAIK?

Re: high-quality typesetting within lilypond

2008-12-05 Thread Danalute
Werner LEMBERG wrote: > > > I wonder how we are going to get high-quality typesetting within > lilypond. > Sorry to barge in with minimal understanding of the several years of philosophy you have all seen develop here, but, please give me more of a sense of how you mean 'typesetting'.

Re: high-quality typesetting within lilypond

2008-12-05 Thread Werner LEMBERG
> Sorry to barge in with minimal understanding of the several years of > philosophy you have all seen develop here, but, please give me more > of a sense of how you mean 'typesetting'. We are talking about typesetting text within lilypond, not music. Werner

Re: Fwd: one big page refers to itself

2008-12-05 Thread -Eluze
Francisco Vila-5 wrote: > > Well, it was targeted to the devel team and I CC-ed to you. > yes, but i still don't know where to find this *html NR* - probably it is my problem not knowing to what you refer to in the following!? which link can i access from windows and how? maybe i'll need some

major feature request (tablature)

2008-12-05 Thread Danalute
I know this was brought up some years ago, and shotdown as basically going against the grain, but I think it can be done, done well, and integrated with benefit to all. No problem with engraved music, but it isnt all that is needed. The orchestra pit is far from the only place where music has a

Re: high-quality typesetting within lilypond

2008-12-05 Thread Danalute
Werner LEMBERG wrote: > >> typesetting text within lilypond > > Sometimes the music is an illustration set in flow of prose, I would hope > that we would not be involved with the prose in that case. > > There are fragments of prose which annotate all staves that we must accept > responsibilit

Re: major feature request (tablature)

2008-12-05 Thread Reinhold Kainhofer
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Am Samstag, 6. Dezember 2008 00:38:21 schrieb Danalute: > Tablature is the one I would address. > \tabstaff is not acceptible as it stands; several issues have been recently > noted on the Lute mailling list, [...] > I began to implement support for me

Re: high-quality typesetting within lilypond

2008-12-05 Thread Werner LEMBERG
> There are fragments of prose which annotate all staves that we must > accept responsibility for, but these are short, and dont usually > involve display-font sizes. Can we not depend on whatever kerning > tables are provided with the users-specified font? What you say is basically valid for La

Re: high-quality typesetting within lilypond

2008-12-05 Thread Francisco Vila
2008/12/5 Han-Wen Nienhuys <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Please, no. Virtually all of the engineering I've seen from LaTeX > makes me want to cry, Do you refer to engineering documents made with LaTeX, or to the engineering of LaTeX itself? If it is the former, what typesetting engine makes you happy to

Re: major feature request (tablature)

2008-12-05 Thread Danalute
Reinhold Kainhofer wrote: > > > You mean one tab staff and one mensural staff above each other? What's the > problem with LilyPond? Maybe I'm misunderstanding you here, because you > can > have a tab staff and a mensural staff in a staff group in LilyPond. > I understand I can mix stave typ

Re: high-quality typesetting within lilypond

2008-12-05 Thread Han-Wen Nienhuys
On Fri, Dec 5, 2008 at 10:40 PM, Francisco Vila <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > 2008/12/5 Han-Wen Nienhuys <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: >> Please, no. Virtually all of the engineering I've seen from LaTeX >> makes me want to cry, > > Do you refer to engineering documents made with LaTeX, or to the > engineeri