Re: State of the release

2011-04-04 Thread Jan Warchoł
Hi Graham & all, 2011/4/3 Graham Percival : > Ok, now that any doubts about my meta-april fool's joke are over, > I'd like to sound out opinions about 2.14. > > > GOOD NEWS > > I think we've finally resolved our "technical debt" -- it's been a > while since I've seen Critical issues that were intr

State of the release

2011-04-02 Thread Graham Percival
Ok, now that any doubts about my meta-april fool's joke are over, I'd like to sound out opinions about 2.14. GOOD NEWS I think we've finally resolved our "technical debt" -- it's been a while since I've seen Critical issues that were introduced over a year ago. The remaining Critical issues are

Re: state of the release: the Good, the Bad, and the Ugly

2010-06-03 Thread Graham Percival
On Wed, Jun 02, 2010 at 08:37:26AM +0200, David Kastrup wrote: > Graham Percival writes: > > > It's his responsibility because he's in charge of the Frogs > > project. Or rather: it's his responsibility because I thought we > > needed somebody to do this job, and I managed to convince him to > >

Re: state of the release: the Good, the Bad, and the Ugly

2010-06-02 Thread Peter Chubb
> "Trevor" == Trevor Daniels writes: Trevor> David Kastrup wrote Wednesday, June 02, 2010 7:37 AM >> >> It is, for example, not possible to create your own dynamics >> commands with an audible result: the documentation on creating >> dynamics, including snippets, is silent on that if I am no

Re: state of the release: the Good, the Bad, and the Ugly

2010-06-02 Thread Trevor Daniels
David Kastrup wrote Wednesday, June 02, 2010 7:37 AM I was talking about programming midi stuff. That there is enough material in the notation manual to get any output at all, and also to reassign midi instruments, I'll readily grant. But that's the minimum required to actually get midi at

Re: state of the release: the Good, the Bad, and the Ugly

2010-06-01 Thread David Kastrup
Graham Percival writes: > On Tue, Jun 01, 2010 at 09:26:49AM +0200, David Kastrup wrote: >> Carl Sorensen writes: >> >> > I think that there is truth in both of those issues. For Frogs, I >> > have the responsibility of committing patches. But for David's patch, >> > it's outside my comfort z

Tweak, Override, Set (was Re: state of the release: the Good, the Bad, and the Ugly)

2010-06-01 Thread Carl Sorensen
On 6/1/10 1:26 AM, "David Kastrup" wrote: > Carl Sorensen writes: > > Properties. There are tweaks, overrides, sets. Some of them work on > some properties, and there is no user level coherence to what you need > to do on what and why. Yes, I had some fits about that already, and > some peop

Obstacles to LilyPond Development (was Re: state of the release: the Good, the Bad, and the Ugly)

2010-06-01 Thread Carl Sorensen
On 6/1/10 1:26 AM, "David Kastrup" wrote: > Carl Sorensen writes: > >> On 5/27/10 7:05 AM, "David Kastrup" wrote: >> >>> It does not help with explaining the internals of Lilypond all too >>> much, but then nothing does right now. >> >> In my opinion, the lack of a clear explanation of th

Re: state of the release: the Good, the Bad, and the Ugly

2010-06-01 Thread Graham Percival
On Tue, Jun 01, 2010 at 09:26:49AM +0200, David Kastrup wrote: > Carl Sorensen writes: > > > I think that there is truth in both of those issues. For Frogs, I > > have the responsibility of committing patches. But for David's patch, > > it's outside my comfort zone. Han-Wen and Nicolas reviewe

Re: state of the release: the Good, the Bad, and the Ugly

2010-06-01 Thread David Kastrup
Carl Sorensen writes: > On 5/27/10 7:05 AM, "David Kastrup" wrote: > >> Valentin Villenave writes: >> >>> On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 3:39 PM, Graham Percival >>> wrote: >>> nobody really felt that actually committing the patches was their job. >> >> The problem is that committing a patch sugges

Re: state of the release: the Good, the Bad, and the Ugly

2010-05-27 Thread Valentin Villenave
On Thu, May 27, 2010 at 5:32 PM, Kieren MacMillan wrote: > Hopefully, when Lilypond is ready to make my development startup easy, I'll > have time for Lilypond development. In the meantime, perhaps I can send diff > files -- if that process isn't too difficult -- for simple(r) patches, like > m

underline function enhancement [was "Re: state of the release: the Good, the Bad, and the Ugly"]

2010-05-27 Thread Kieren MacMillan
Hi Graham and Carl, > Thanks, for clarifying the > foo.diff part. I forgot that part of it. Okay, I've attached the diff file. Cheers, Kieren. dmc.diff Description: Binary data ___ lilypond-devel mailing list lilypond-devel@gnu.org http://lists.gnu

Re: state of the release: the Good, the Bad, and the Ugly

2010-05-27 Thread Carl Sorensen
On 5/27/10 9:38 AM, "Graham Percival" wrote: > On Thu, May 27, 2010 at 4:32 PM, Kieren MacMillan > wrote: >> Hopefully, when Lilypond is ready to make my development startup easy, I'll >> have time for Lilypond development. In the meantime, perhaps I can send diff >> files -- if that process

Re: state of the release: the Good, the Bad, and the Ugly

2010-05-27 Thread Graham Percival
On Thu, May 27, 2010 at 4:32 PM, Kieren MacMillan wrote: > Hopefully, when Lilypond is ready to make my development startup easy, I'll > have time for Lilypond development. In the meantime, perhaps I can send diff > files -- if that process isn't too difficult -- for simple(r) patches, like > m

Re: state of the release: the Good, the Bad, and the Ugly

2010-05-27 Thread Kieren MacMillan
Hi Graham, > could I ask you to stop immediately and wait a few months? OK. My (Lilypond-engraved) musical is getting another production in July with me MD-ing; my (Lilypond-engraved) quartet is getting two new performances and a CD release this summer; I've got three new commissions I've got

Re: state of the release: the Good, the Bad, and the Ugly

2010-05-27 Thread Graham Percival
On Thu, May 27, 2010 at 4:05 PM, Kieren MacMillan wrote: >   2. If it doesn't work, it's the last attempt I will make, probably ever. If it's not too late, could I ask you to stop immediately and wait a few months? Before I start the Grand Organization Project, I will ensure that whatever parts

Re: state of the release: the Good, the Bad, and the Ugly

2010-05-27 Thread Kieren MacMillan
Hi Graham, > From > http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.13/Documentation/contributor/using-a-virtual-machine-to-compile-lilypond Thanks -- install in progress. For the record, since this is the third significant effort I'm making to get a Lilypond development environment set up: 1. I'm going to NRTFM

Re: state of the release: the Good, the Bad, and the Ugly

2010-05-27 Thread Graham Percival
On Thu, May 27, 2010 at 3:45 PM, Kieren MacMillan wrote: > Hi Carl, > >> Did you ever try LilyBuntu? > > No. What virtualization tool should I use? From http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.13/Documentation/contributor/using-a-virtual-machine-to-compile-lilypond -- We do not necessarily recommend

Re: state of the release: the Good, the Bad, and the Ugly

2010-05-27 Thread Kieren MacMillan
Hi Carl, > Did you ever try LilyBuntu? No. What virtualization tool should I use? Thanks, Kieren. ___ lilypond-devel mailing list lilypond-devel@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-devel

Re: state of the release: the Good, the Bad, and the Ugly

2010-05-27 Thread Kieren MacMillan
Hi Carl, > Can you send a diff version of the patch, so that I can apply it? Can you describe [or link to an explanation of] how I would do that, without a dev environment set up? I simply manually edited the .scm file. Thanks, Kieren. ___ lilypond-de

Re: state of the release: the Good, the Bad, and the Ugly

2010-05-27 Thread Carl Sorensen
On 5/27/10 8:10 AM, "Kieren MacMillan" wrote: > Hi Carl, > >> what are the top 3-5 things that make starting to contribute hard? > > For me [even though you didn't ask] it's the build system, which I spent over > two days -- on two different occasions -- trying to get set up on my machine, >

Re: state of the release: the Good, the Bad, and the Ugly

2010-05-27 Thread Carl Sorensen
On 5/27/10 8:10 AM, "Kieren MacMillan" wrote: > Hi Carl, > >> what are the top 3-5 things that make starting to contribute hard? > > For me [even though you didn't ask] it's the build system, which I spent over > two days -- on two different occasions -- trying to get set up on my machine, >

Re: state of the release: the Good, the Bad, and the Ugly

2010-05-27 Thread Kieren MacMillan
Hi Carl, > what are the top 3-5 things that make starting to contribute hard? For me [even though you didn't ask] it's the build system, which I spent over two days -- on two different occasions -- trying to get set up on my machine, to no avail. Speaking of "starting to contribute", are there

Re: state of the release: the Good, the Bad, and the Ugly

2010-05-27 Thread Carl Sorensen
On 5/27/10 7:05 AM, "David Kastrup" wrote: > Valentin Villenave writes: > >> On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 3:39 PM, Graham Percival >> wrote: >> nobody really felt that actually committing the patches was their job. > > The problem is that committing a patch suggests some basic > responsibility. I

Re: state of the release: the Good, the Bad, and the Ugly

2010-05-27 Thread David Kastrup
Valentin Villenave writes: > On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 3:39 PM, Graham Percival > wrote: > >> We have 10 issues with patches attached; 3 of them fixing Critical >> issues.  Some people might view this as a positive thing -- hey, we >> have people sending fixes! -- but I'm counting this as "ugly" b

Re: state of the release: the Good, the Bad, and the Ugly

2010-05-27 Thread Graham Percival
On Thu, May 27, 2010 at 12:06:47PM +0200, Valentin Villenave wrote: > On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 3:39 PM, Graham Percival > wrote: > > In the "avoid losing info" side of things, although I'm cautiously > > optimistic that any *new* info won't be lost, we still have a number > > of lost items from the

Re: state of the release: the Good, the Bad, and the Ugly

2010-05-27 Thread Valentin Villenave
On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 3:39 PM, Graham Percival wrote: > In the "avoid losing info" side of things, although I'm cautiously > optimistic that any *new* info won't be lost, we still have a number > of lost items from the past few months, and no volunteers to go on an > archival dig.  I know that a

state of the release: the Good, the Bad, and the Ugly

2010-05-26 Thread Graham Percival
Time for my monthly report on bugs and the ever-elusive goal of 2.14.0. I'm building 2.13.22 now; there was a minor problem, but that's hopefully been resolved. THE GOOD 2.13.22 fixes 3 Critical issues. In other news, Patrick has been doing an amazing job as a Bug Squad member, and James Lowe