2011/6/22 Graham Percival
>
> On Wed, Jun 22, 2011 at 12:11:36PM -0600, Carl Sorensen wrote:
> > I think that the implied obligation is saying "Mike will help people who are
> > playing with beam collision avoidance."
>
> Perhaps the word "expectation" would better express my worry.
Ah, expectati
On Wed, Jun 22, 2011 at 12:11:36PM -0600, Carl Sorensen wrote:
> On 6/22/11 10:09 AM, "Jan Warchoł"
> wrote:
>
> > I don't want to suggest laying implied obligations on anyone.
> > Maybe there's a misunderstanding, so let's make things clear: do you
> > say that asking Mike (who wrote automatic b
On 6/22/11 10:09 AM, "Jan Warchoł"
wrote:
> 2011/6/22 Graham Percival :
>> On Wed, Jun 22, 2011 at 04:06:17PM +0200, Jan Warchoł wrote:
>>> Problem 1: a Frog tries to modify wind diagrams code and experiences
>>> some difficulties. (S)he sends an e-mail to -devel, but gets no
>>> answers because
2011/6/22 Graham Percival :
> On Wed, Jun 22, 2011 at 04:06:17PM +0200, Jan Warchoł wrote:
>> Problem 1: a Frog tries to modify wind diagrams code and experiences
>> some difficulties. (S)he sends an e-mail to -devel, but gets no
>> answers because developer X (who wrote that code) overlooked his/
More ideas.
Problem 1: a Frog tries to modify wind diagrams code and experiences
some difficulties. (S)he sends an e-mail to -devel, but gets no
answers because developer X (who wrote that code) overlooked his/her
e-mail, and noone else knows the answer.
Solution: a list of developers with "specia
On Wed, Jun 22, 2011 at 04:06:17PM +0200, Jan Warchoł wrote:
> Problem 1: a Frog tries to modify wind diagrams code and experiences
> some difficulties. (S)he sends an e-mail to -devel, but gets no
> answers because developer X (who wrote that code) overlooked his/her
> e-mail, and noone else know
On Wed, Jun 22, 2011 at 07:53:09AM +0200, Jan Warchoł wrote:
> 2011/6/18 Graham Percival :
> > Maybe we'll just dump all newcomers on Janek?
>
> What's the status of this suggestion? I didn't notice any serious
> discussion about it.
There wasn't any.
> (i mean, what are your opinions? I don't
2011/6/18 Graham Percival :
> Of people who have git access, what (if anything)
> would make you consider being a mentor? Not everybody
> is cut out to be a teacher; if you don't feel comfortable in that
> position, then it's best not to offer.
I think the answer came to my mind: "i'd spend some
Not much change from the initial one.
http://lilypond.org/~graham/gop/gop_2.html
** Proposal summary
Many new contributors expect more help than they’re getting. We
should either:
1. give them more help, or
2. tell them up-front that they won’t be getting help. Think of
a roller-coaster e
On Tue, Jun 21, 2011 at 03:01:37PM +0200, Jan Warchoł wrote:
> 2011/6/18 Graham Percival
> > Here's the responsibilities for mentors. Do any of these seem too
> > heavy? We can relax/remove any that are a sticking point for many
> > people.
>
> I see that these are the same that we have in CG p
On Wed, Jun 15, 2011 at 03:20:51PM +0200, Jan Warchoł wrote:
> 2011/6/15 Graham Percival :
> > I think the story of this patch
> > http://code.google.com/p/lilypond/issues/detail?id=1630
> > http://codereview.appspot.com/4490045/
> > is a horrible black eye for us. Initial patch sent on 2011-04-29
2011/6/18 James Lowe :
>
> Well I'm happy to help and of course I can 'mentor' someone around editing
> doc and formatting and uploading patches, however I seem to be of the 'rare'
> breed here that while understanding 'coding' principles and terminology, has
> no ability to write code (I can ju
2011/6/18 Graham Percival
> Well, I'm not encouraged by the general disinterest in this topic.
I'm afraid it's because this problem isn't about finding some new
solutions or establishing a policy (like with C++ code formatting),
but about doing more work. *Maybe* someone will discover a great ide
On 6/19/11 10:18 AM, "Carl Sorensen" wrote:
> On 6/17/11 5:48 PM, "Graham Percival" wrote:
>
>> On Wed, Jun 15, 2011 at 07:46:43AM -0600, Carl Sorensen wrote:
>>
>> I'm not looking for somebody to say "I'll take one person" and
>> then have me assign them somebody at random. Right now, I'm ju
On 6/17/11 5:48 PM, "Graham Percival" wrote:
> On Wed, Jun 15, 2011 at 07:46:43AM -0600, Carl Sorensen wrote:
>
> I'm not looking for somebody to say "I'll take one person" and
> then have me assign them somebody at random. Right now, I'm just
> looking for a best-case theoretical scenario. Ma
Subject: Re: GOP-PROP 2: mentors and Frogs
> Maybe we'll just dump all newcomers on Janek?
+1
;)
(only kidding!)
> Let's look at specifics. Of people who have git access, what (if
> anything) would make you consider being a mentor? Not everybody
> is cut out to be a
On Wed, Jun 15, 2011 at 07:46:43AM -0600, Carl Sorensen wrote:
> This is especially tragic because the initial quality of the patch was very
> high. Karin is clearly a gifted programmer who figured out how to solve
> this problem on her own. Losing her potential contributions to LilyPond is
> a r
On 6/15/11 5:44 AM, "Graham Percival" wrote:
>
> Perfect example: two weeks ago, issue 1630 chord autosplit was
> almost finished (it only needed a few minor code formatting). But
> then it stalled until I suggested to Janek that he should get in
> touch with Karin 2 days ago. Then suddenly st
On Wed, Jun 15, 2011 at 12:44:49PM +0100, Graham Percival wrote:
> On Wed, Jun 15, 2011 at 08:23:00AM +0100, Trevor Daniels wrote:
> > I'm not convinced we need a Frog Meister. Anyone capable
> > of developing a patch to LilyPond code is capable of uploading
> > it to Reitveld. Any help required
2011/6/15 Graham Percival :
> On Wed, Jun 15, 2011 at 08:56:54AM +0200, m...@apollinemike.com wrote:
>> 2) Many-a-university have open-source-upkeep CS (or music in
>> centers like CCRMA) courses (i.e. "Case studies in advanced
>> algorithmic auto-reglation of white space inconsistencies").
>
> I
On Wed, Jun 15, 2011 at 08:23:00AM +0100, Trevor Daniels wrote:
>
> Graham Percival wrote Wednesday, June 15, 2011 12:14 AM
> Subject: GOP-PROP 2: mentors and Frogs
>
> > 1. Frog ("apprentice"): any newcomer is directed to the frog
> >mailing list, and the Fr
On Wed, Jun 15, 2011 at 08:56:54AM +0200, m...@apollinemike.com wrote:
> 1) Geographical proximity helps big time. I know that, in a 30ish minute
> face-to-face conversation with Bertrand Bordage, I was able to work through
> what would otherwise take up to a week over e-mail.
Absolutely! Fai
Graham Percival wrote Wednesday, June 15, 2011 12:14 AM
Subject: GOP-PROP 2: mentors and Frogs
GOP 2 - mentors and Frogs
Proposal summary
Many new contributors expect more help than they’re getting. We
should either:
1. give them more help, or
2. tell them up-front that they won’t be
On Jun 15, 2011, at 1:14 AM, Graham Percival wrote:
> Discussion begins. I expect a moderate amount of discussion and
> changes to this proposal; it will not be as clear-cut as
> GOP-PROP 1.
> http://lilypond.org/~graham/gop/gop_2.html
>
>
> GOP 2 - mentors and Frogs
> Proposal summary
>
> Man
Discussion begins. I expect a moderate amount of discussion and
changes to this proposal; it will not be as clear-cut as
GOP-PROP 1.
http://lilypond.org/~graham/gop/gop_2.html
GOP 2 - mentors and Frogs
Proposal summary
Many new contributors expect more help than they’re getting. We
should eithe
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